Look real good ! Would be nice if you could "mold in" in flare lips at the front and sides to make the installation easier/more durable, just an idea.

Did you determine the impact to packaging either / both spare tire, and sunroof glass ? Do you plan on selling reproductions of this scoop ?

I've got a spare hood that's been talking to me, requesting a make-over.

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Don't know if the sun roof will still fit. To be honest I never take mine off, so it really never was a concern for me. As for molding the lip in, I'd have to see what that would do to the mold and especially getting the darn thing off it ! No plans for now about selling them, but if you want to come to my place you can use the mold for free. Ops, I guess you're on the west coast. The offer still stands for others unless I get flodded with request to use it.
I'm undecided as to how Iwant to finesh it up, on the one hand I'm leaning heavily towards the shrouding and letting the fan show, on the other, I'm thinking about putting a mesh type grill down at the face of the inlet to the scoop. Just wonder what the thoughts are on those two options. With the fan showing it's clearly functional, with the grill it may look like a fake?

The mesh screen would stop leaves and other debris from building up in the fan compartment. What is it made out of? Is ABS plastic cheaper to make things out of then fiberglass? Is it easier to work with? Just wondering because I seen so many products that are fiberglass, but ABS is more durable and usually cheaper. Would you consider it if we had a group buy?

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My scoop is fober glass, three and four layers thick. I've never molded anything from ABS, but I think it has to be maybe vacuum formed which would not make it too practical for the home builder. From experience, I found that paint sticks much better fiberglass than it does to ABS and I don't think ABS is as heat resistant as fiber glass, so an overheated radiator may worp an ABS scoop. I'm sure others will have opions and more experience with ABS and chime in on it.

how much did you have to cut of the spare tire compartment, if any? pics of under the hood?

Please put me in line for a scoop if you decide to sell a few, this is exactly what I had planned for mine.
Thanks in advance, Drew

Well.... for mine, the tire won't fit anymore, but all's not lost. It can go in the back and I stilll have lots of room up front for tools and things. When we do one for my son-in-law (he saw mine Sunday and loves it) I'm going to add a small mod to the lower lip of the scoop so it will clear the back of the fan motor and thus we'll be able to put it 2" more forward (where I wanted it in the first place) than mine and easily keep the tire up front. I just hate hate it when I think of a simple solution after the fact! But that's how it near always is with prototypes. I'll take some more pics after I get the rubber molding and overflow bottle installed.

my real "name" is goatman and my friends call me goatnipples as a joke and I thought it was different than any other internet name.


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I love the way they taste....oh they just hang so lovely

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Hm....... so 'that's what's in a name' now coming from someone who lives in a place called Hell, um... I mean Hellevue, such is understanderable. But then, I also have been called by other names, though in my case they also begain with an 'F' like Franics like..... ^&*%% and &^%$#, and, well nevermind that. Anyway; I picked up an aftermarket coolant bottle at Autozone today that looks like it may fit nicely and some weather stripping too so it's comming together.

Any updates, yet?

Been busy making intake manifolds, but I hope to finesh it up today if don't rain. Since I'm undecided about painting a stripe up it, I'm going to take some pictures of it with no stripe, then with one style and then another and see which one recieves the most thumbs up. The car is in black primer now and I'll do the stripes in gray primer so it should give a good feel for what it will look like in the metalic black with a silver stripe or no stripe. I also put some mesh-like grilling around the fan. but may just put a grill accross the front of the scoop, that's another item for debate since both have their + and - points.

Francis T, you have a new PM.

Thanks!
JG

I sent some more pictures to Raydar to post here. It's pretty much done. Things to note when he puts the pictures up:
Fan screen, (which may or may not stay as I might just put a grill in front of the scoop)
Fan side schroding made from the inner plastic fender wells from an MR2 (I'm always finding a use for that light wieght stuff).
Autozone overflow bottle
As you'll see, my tool box fits up front but not the tire, which is now in the back. If I make any more scops, the tire will fit where it belongs as the scoop will be foward a few more inches
I could use some feedback on painting car, take a look at the front view picture with it all in black primer and then the one with gray primer in the scoop and radiator air inlet. Whereas the car be painted matalic black over all and I was thinking of maybe doing the area you see in the gray primer in a bright matalic silver. (I'll be redoing the inside in black and silver too). I'm undecided; what do you people think, stay with it in all black or do the silver too?
I also just thought to show what I did with my side engine air inlet and how the wing looks now that's been moved aft about 3." With the car now also lowered, the front scoop, intercooler and rear extractor scoop, and other mods, I think it's begining to kinda cool, but perhaps a bit too out there or busy for some. One thing though, there ent nothing on it for looks only, every do-dad is functional.

Here you go, Frank.
I had to resize them and crop the underhood pic just a bit. Didn't lose any of the details, though.

OK, I've changed my mind again on the paint sceam. I'm going to do it in the black with the silver strip prettymuch like the GT40 @ http://www.erareplicas.com/gt/gt.htm Which means I'll also have to take over the rear scoop too.

You're frightening me know Francis, any idea how much body structure you lost in the front by chopping that section out????

quote Originally posted by California Kid: You're frightening me know Francis, any idea how much body structure you lost in the front by chopping that section out????

I thought about that too, but all of the suspension mounting points are attached to the front subframe, and not the body.
I'm not so sure that it'll hurt anything.

I'm referring to the sheet metal removed forward of where the spare tire used to be. I'd be just a little concerned about torzional chassis flex, even the tube chassis racing Fiero's had either a box section, cross pipes welded in that area to prevent twisting. I really like the concept of that air duct, but I wouldn't want to take anything away from an already excellent chassis structure, without designing something to replace structure removed.

I don't think any of it was structural. There just thin piece of maybe 2" wide sheet metal and the rest was plastic. As for the hood, the scoop about as thick as the hood and it's screewed and expoxied on.

do you have a down scoop picture? one wher you can see the radiator, how close does it come to the raidator? this sound like an excellent vent, but i dotn klike the idea of losing a spare tire and sunroof bay

Looks good, I like it.

Like I said, the tire can be retained by moving the scoop forward about 2" and that's what we'll do on my son-in-laws 87GT. As for the sun roof, it may fit then? I never take mine off so it wasn't a concern to me. When I'm a mood to go topless, I just take my 124 Spider for spin. That car is kind of cool too; headers, hi comp pistons, four GSR 1100 carbs on our own intake and an Electromotive Tech I coil pac distributorless ign system etc, etc. But that's probably for another forum.
BTW: If you go back to page 1 of this thread, you'll see the scoop with the hood closed, but at that stage I did not have the shrouding fan grill install which you can see on this page (the one with the hood up and the yellow tool box top showing. The next one I make will have a aera for the fan motor to fit into and that will bring it closer to radiator and also provide the tire space. Thus far I'm still not looking to sell them aside from maybe 2, but the offer still stands for anyone in my area that's wants to come over and use the mold.

Here are some pics of the finished product.

I have to say that this car looks really wicked now that it all painted. Good jod Francis T!

Now here are some pics Francis car with stripes. They are just paper to illustrate what it would look like, as Francis is planning silver stipes, but hasnt decided yet. He says that it turns alot of heads and I'm sure it does.

Now were do I send mine?

quote Originally posted by Francis T: Thus far I'm still not looking to sell them aside from maybe 2, but the offer still stands for anyone in my area that's wants to come over and use the mold.

Francis: Could you make that 3? As you probably recall, we fabricated our own on the roadster. See: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000002/HTML/20040710-1-037446-2.html

We simply cut the hood, bent the center portion to the desired position and added side panels to fill in... added a small front lip by molding in a piece of L-shaped aluminum.

However, we are looking for a quicker and easier alternative for a future project. Since yours appears to drop in, it might be both quicker and easier in the long run.

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FieroOmar; I really like your car. As for making 3 I probably could do one for you. Now I don't think I'll be able to do the scoops until the spring as it's too cold here to work outside and and don't want to stink up the shop with resen fumes what with the intakes we have to make.
Whereas I've offered my mold to anyone that wants to come over and use it, it's funny how everyone interested is on the other side of the country! Go fig?
Anyway; I don't know if I'd call it a drop in? You have to cut your hood open, drill it for maybe 20 nylon bolts, bolt and epoxy the new scoop in, and then mold the front lip etc.
BTW: it seems that I made the right choice when I used those nylon 6/32 screws as it has been cold and hot here and there doesn't seem to be any cracking or anything. Even with frost on the hood, I can't tell where the bolts are like you can tell where the hood supports are on a cold hood. I guess CMC and nylon have near the same exspansion rate. I have to admit, there are a few bolts up front that I simply sanded a little too deep and can see even whe it's warm.

TTT, I really like this one!

quote Originally posted by Francis T: FieroOmar; I really like your car. As for making 3 I probably could do one for you. Now I don't think I'll be able to do the scoops until the spring as it's too cold here to work outside and and don't want to stink up the shop with resen fumes what with the intakes we have to make. Whereas I've offered my mold to anyone that wants to come over and use it, it's funny how everyone interested is on the other side of the country! Go fig?

Spring has sprung... Still interested in getting one of your hood vents. What are the chances?
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Francis T???

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Well, I still haven't changed my mind about making them to sell. Although I can work with fiberglass it's not something I really like to do all that much. I retired a few months ago and do have more time between makng intakes and soon our exhaust headers. For me to do another I'd have to charge maybe $150 and that would be one that you would have to do the finial fineshing. IE add any filler and sand etc. For anyone close enough to Fredericksburg area of Virginia, the offer still stands to come and use my molds for free.

quote Originally posted by Francis T: Well, I still haven't changed my mind about making them to sell. Although I can work with fiberglass it's not something I really like to do all that much. I retired a few months ago and do have more time between makng intakes and soon our exhaust headers. For me to do another I'd have to charge maybe $150 and that would be one that you would have to do the finial fineshing. IE add any filler and sand etc. For anyone close enough to Fredericksburg area of Virginia, the offer still stands to come and use my molds for free.

Ahh... spring HAS sprung! Been waiting patiently all winter. Wonder how much it would cost to ship to west coast? What are the dimensions of the finished product ready to ship (e.g. finished as described above... ready for final finishing)?

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Shouldnt cost too much to ship, it's bulky but not very heavy. As for the fineshing, it may have some small air holes that i will fill and leave for you to sand and you can drill the mounting holes etc. The mold is made so that the good side is up, the top that you'll see and thus comes out quite nice. On mine I added some more glass to get the underside to smoother. You dont have to do that, but its looks better when you open the trunk that way. Also for yours I will be using the standard fiberglass matting you buy to do say boat repairs. With mine I used that to build it up and the very exspensive close weave stuff as the base. If it dont turn out to be too big a deal, maybe I'll make a few more, but somehow I dont think I will. Seems everyone that wants one is too far to come use my mold.

Hi Franis, did you make this a "product" yet?
How much? I also like the one that uses the engine bulge to make a scoop.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/072597.html

anyone know if he still has the mold or made duplicates? i like the way this one looks

May want to look at this one...
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/064185.html

Very aggressive.

It looks great!

My question is how does it change the handling? I would think it would make it more stable at higher speeds. Is this the case?

1st: I dont take my car over 100 often enough to notice any handling change, seems fine to me.

2nd: Dont want to make a product of it, not too crazy about working with Fiberglass. BEsides what with making our intakes and headers, if add that thing, I never to get play golf.

3rd: I still have the buck and anyone can come over and use it, just dont expect me to do much more than smile at you. I will loan out long distance with a deposit. It did take a while to make.

4th: I kind of like the one I made for our 87GT too, and it was simpler (my 87GT build)

Oh, I'm going to make something else (not a scoop per say) much smaller out of Fiberglass that I will sell if works out and people want them. Yes, it will be another love/hate thing.

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