quote Originally posted by JazzMan: As to removing the plug, run the head by an automotive machine shop, they pull stuff like that all the time and likely won't charge you much at all to remove it. James

That would require either taking the whole engine or taking the lower intake, valve cover, and head back off.

Oops, sorry, forgot about that.

Normally my machinist uses heat from a torch to break the threads loose before removing stubborn fasteners, but you can't do that either. Rats.

Well, anyway, the taps are available at most industrial suppliers, I got mine mail-order from Northern Tools, and I've seen them before in one of the larger Sears stores in the area.

James

well, not to be too obvious, just leave it as it is, put the sensor in the foward head, and work the harness connector back thru the harness and connect it there. might be the easiest way.

At Napa it's V8 tools Part No 3304 1/2" drive 4pc drain plug socket set.


Rich

quote Originally posted by Richjk21: At Napa it's V8 tools Part No 3304 1/2" drive 4pc drain plug socket set. Rich

My local NAPA says they don't carry any kind of square drive and that the part # 3304 doesn't pull anything up on their system. They asked me to try and get a line # or another part # for the item I'm looking for.
I'm used to this kind of thing at AutoZone or Advanced (no offense meant to anyone working at those places) but usually NAPA is pretty good about finding what you need.
They had the 1/2 NPT tap/chase, was a little pricey at $16.79.

quote Originally posted by DRA: My local NAPA says they don't carry any kind of square drive and that the part # 3304 doesn't pull anything up on their system. They asked me to try and get a line # or another part # for the item I'm looking for. I'm used to this kind of thing at AutoZone or Advanced (no offense meant to anyone working at those places) but usually NAPA is pretty good about finding what you need. They had the 1/2 NPT tap/chase, was a little pricey at $16.79.

Okay here's a link to an online place with the item I listed from Napa

http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/v8t3304.html
Also here is a link to the right tool from snap-on

http://buy1.snapon.com/cata...napon-store&tool=all

If you have a local snap on rep you can maybe get it from him ....

Maybe all Napa's don't carry the same stock .... not sure ...

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quote Originally posted by Richjk21: okay .... so I went out & dug through my receipts from last year when I swapped in the new motor .... and found my Napa receipt for the sockets.... the part number listed on the naapa receipt is IMC3304 not sure if it will help at all .... but hey .... I'm trying Rich

I appreciate the effort Rich, I called the local Napa back with that part# and they still can't find anything. I'll probably end up ordering a set from the online tool supply place you listed in the previous post.

The 1/2 in NPT tap I got is way to big so I guess I need to take that sensor back with me and try to find the right one (tap/chase that is).

Funny how it always seems to be the little stuff that is so difficult to resolve!

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If you think it can wait, I'll carry my tap and die set with me next weekend. It's a pretty large assortment. 135 pieces I believe.

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'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

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quote Originally posted by whadeduck: If you think it can wait, I'll carry my tap and die set with me next weekend. It's a pretty large assortment. 135 pieces I believe.

Might be a good idea to bring that bad boy with you regardless! I'm sure there will be a few other suprises before all is said and done.
Keep me posted on how next weekend looks for you.

Aye Captain. I'll also carry my easy-outs with me. Better to have them and not use them.

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'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

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quote Originally posted by whadeduck: If you think it can wait, I'll carry my tap and die set with me next weekend. It's a pretty large assortment. 135 pieces I believe.

You better take a look at the set. Generally, the only PIPE tap that a set has is a 1/8th" one.

quote Originally posted by Electrathon: You better take a look at the set. Generally, the only PIPE tap that a set has is a 1/8th" one.

I've got the one from Napa with the reciept so I may try to take it back and carry the sensor with me, either way we should be able to scrounge one up somewhere in town by Saturday.

BTW the one I picked up is labeled "T304 1/2 X 14 NPT Pipe Tap" it appears to be a tad to big.
This is for the temp sensor in the top of the intake beside the cold start injector thingy.

Anyone, including you electrathon, know of the exact tap/chase we are looking for?

I looked at my tap and die set last night. I was incorrect. It's only seventy-six pieces. Still might be able to use something out of it. I know whenever I rebuild an engine, I always chase the threads in the block and head to make sure everything's clean.

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'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

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quote Originally posted by whadeduck: I know whenever I rebuild an engine, I always chase the threads in the block and head to make sure everything's clean.

Me too ..... better safe than sorry ....

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quote Originally posted by Richjk21: Me too ..... better safe than sorry ....

Yep, I could try to force the issue and end up cross threading the sensor but I would rather take the time and do this right.
I'm hoping to get a few good years of service from this rebuild and trying to replace everything I can now while it's all apart.

I have to agree with electrothon though. I don't believe most tap and die sets will include pipe thread sizes. I'll make sure to carry plenty of 13mm sockets with me this time. I have no idea what happend to all of mine.

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'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

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3/8-18 NPT is the one for the plug in the head. 1/2-14 NPT will fit some of the sencor holes in the intake.

These taps are very common, in the plumbing world. Not so common in the automotive world.

quote Originally posted by whadeduck: I have to agree with electrothon though. I don't believe most tap and die sets will include pipe thread sizes. I'll make sure to carry plenty of 13mm sockets with me this time. I have no idea what happend to all of mine.

It's like there is some gremlin that collects 13mm and 15mm, especially the deep well sockets! I just bought another 13mm deep well last week while Surge and I were running around for lunch.

Must be the 3/8ths inch I need electrathon, looks like the 1/2 inch I have would work for the sensor location in the front of the manifold that uses a brass sleave over the actual sensor.

I think I'll break down and find one of those Gator Grip sockets too. Couldn't hurt to have it in an emergency kit. That is, if they work like the adds say they do.

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Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck
'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

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Got the sockets today for the square drive plug.

Was like butter using my favorite 3/4 inch breaker bar, I call it the Destroyer of Worlds!

One obstacle out of the way for this weekend!

Picked up the 3/4 inch breaker bar a while back when I broke a 1/2 inch breaker bar trying to remove some strut bolts, this thing has been a godsend on many occasions. The strut bolts that busted the 1/2 inch bar were easily removed with it!

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Thanks to a few members who supplied CD's and access to some online tech resources the questions have been kept to a minimum.

Right now the biggest problem we're having is finding the bolts for the A/C bracket, they seem to have been misplaced.

Next obstacle!

Just realized the rebuilder did away with the adapter for the oil pressure sending unit tube that goes into the block near the oil filter. It's my fault for not removing it but for now I will blame them! LOL

I'm reading build threads now trying to find this little tidbit of info but if anyone knows it would be appreciated if they would share the info with me.

What size is that little brass adapter fitting thingy jig?

Anyone?

i just went out and lookd at mine. right close to the oil filter on mine is a plug (this is a 3.4 camarobird swap) is thet supposed to be something else? don't mean to hijack your thead DRA, i was lust looking at it after our pm conversations earlier. could you post a pic of what i should have there?

The 3.4 came with a plug as the oil pressure sending unit was tied into the oil filter adapter, IIRC. With the 3.4 conversion, the plug is removed and a brass adapter is used to change threads from the block to the Fiero oil pressure sending unit. Clear as mud....

quote Originally posted by shawnkfl: i just went out and lookd at mine. right close to the oil filter on mine is a plug (this is a 3.4 camarobird swap) is thet supposed to be something else? don't mean to hijack your thead DRA, i was lust looking at it after our pm conversations earlier. could you post a pic of what i should have there?

Heres the adapter, tube, and sending unit all kinda mocked up where it should go.



Couple of extra pics.




Think I found the A/C mount bolts. I figured as soon as someone sent them they would magically appear!

And what lovely weather there was today to work on it too. Wheredjya end up finding the bolts?

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'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

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quote Originally posted by whadeduck: And what lovely weather there was today to work on it too. Wheredjya end up finding the bolts?

Yes the weather has been just lovely today!
I'm kinda embarassed to say where I found the bolts, they were actually in a bag labeled dog bone bolts. Now to find those darn injector harness clips! LOL

thank you for the pics DRA! i do have that but didn't know what it was called. so that just answered two questions for me. i had my old 2.8 AND the complete camaro 3.4 stripped of everything in an afternoon. putting it back together again....now that's the real work! your engine is looking nice and clean i might add. good job to you and to everyone who stepped up for this.

quote Originally posted by DRA: Now to find those darn injector harness clips! LOL

Look in the bag marked "Heater Hose Clamps"

quote Originally posted by Richjk21: Look in the bag marked "Heater Hose Clamps"

That'd just be silly. He should look in the bag marked "lugnuts."

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Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck
'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

Relax! You've managed to suck all of the fun out of the room.

I knew I should have just kept my mouth shut about those bolts!
I have a feeling I'll be hearing about them for a while now, must take some pics of shiny things to post and change the focus of this thread. LOL

That is a nice looking engine. Is the fuel rail backwards in the pics? Or is the '86 different than yours?

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quote Originally posted by Hudini: That is a nice looking engine. Is the fuel rail backwards in the pics? Or is the '86 different than yours?

LOL Well actually the fuel rail is correct but the middle intake is on backwards!

Good eye!

Something worth mentioning... The alternator gets its ground through the bracket. If the bracket was painted, it can stop the current flow. Just scrape where the alternator touches the bracket and where the bracket and head touch. You might get enough if the bolt heads that hold the bracket are touching bare metal.

quote Originally posted by Hudini: Is the fuel rail backwards in the pics?

Good eye. The steel fuel lines should pretty much point at the battery.

quote Originally posted by Raydar: Something worth mentioning... The alternator gets its ground through the bracket. If the bracket was painted, it can stop the current flow. Just scrape where the alternator touches the bracket and where the bracket and head touch. You might get enough if the bolt heads that hold the bracket are touching bare metal.

Good to know!
Everything is kind of loosely bolted up right now, I've been digging through pics trying to make sure everything is in the right place.
One of the other items bothering me right now is the oil pressure sending unit mounting point.
It seems from memory that it was on the studded bolt but all the pics I've found show it behind the mounting bolt itself as pictured here:

I tried putting the studded bolt in that position but it seems to put the fitting into the block off, it could still reach but does not seem to fit as well as it does like I have it now.

The picture in the 22P shows the bolt holding in the sender tube, like you have it. Page 0-20

Also, you really should run and extra ground to the AC compressor. It looks like someone put powder coat on the bracket and that can keep the compressor from grounding properly.

It's high-temp. paint but you could have a point. Do you think a little grinding away of the paint where the bracket meets the block would help?

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'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

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I thought the ground was made by the bolt passing through the bracket and into the block more so than the face of the bracket itself coming into contact with the face of the block. Just having the hole the bolt passes through clear of paint should allow a good ground shouldn't it? I guess it wouldn't hurt to hit the backside of the brackets with the die grinder just to make sure there is maximum contact. This is definately the time to do these things before everything is torqued down!

I'm pretty happy with the fit on that oil sending tube as is and appreciate the confirmation on that.

Was thinkin' about picking up a couple of extra ground straps but am not sure where the best place is to postion them. I know there were a couple of good threads on the subject, guess it's time to do some research.