Was thinking about the grounding situation. I would, just for added thorroughness, grind the paint off of both the bracket and the block where the two meet.If you just rely on the bolt, it may not be enough to provide a good solid ground. The bolt head touches the bracket. But the bracket has paint on it interrupting the ground possibly. The thread of the bolt and the block touch. But they may be dirty or full of grease. Again not giving a good ground. If others hadn't mentioned it, I wouldn't have thought twice. But after I read it, it made sense if those two pieces ground themselves through the brackets and block. Also do the extra ground strap thing. It does help. Sorry I can't be there for the installation this weekend. If it's any consulation, I do have to work all weekend. I'll be there in spirit. 'Cause my spirit sure as hell doesn't want to be here at work.

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Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck
'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

Relax! You've managed to suck all of the fun out of the room.

Allrighty Richard, did we pull the fitting out of the old upper intake before it went back to electrathon? It's the fitting that goes in the big empty hole.


Electrathon, did you notice if we left that fitting in the upper we sent back?

Anyone know the specs on it, looks like a standard pipe to hose adapter, maybe a hardware store item?

Pic of the old one with the fitting still installed.

There is a complete upper intake (with the adapter) at the old u-pull it salvage yard on the way out to SRS. They have several fieros tehre (only one 2m6 though). THis is the place I may have mentioned before, the guys just eyeball what youve got and say.."eh five bucks sound good to ya?" HEnce the reason If the gt is still there when I get another day off in a few weeks Im gonna strip the goodies from teh body for forum members...LEt me knwo if you need better info or directions David. How is it all coming together?

quote Originally posted by psychosurfer: There is a complete upper intake (with the adapter) at the old u-pull it salvage yard on the way out to SRS. They have several fieros tehre (only one 2m6 though). THis is the place I may have mentioned before, the guys just eyeball what youve got and say.."eh five bucks sound good to ya?" HEnce the reason If the gt is still there when I get another day off in a few weeks Im gonna strip the goodies from teh body for forum members...LEt me knwo if you need better info or directions David. How is it all coming together?

Shoot me some good directions to that u-pull it, on the way out to SRS, is it in Jackson SC?
Also do you know if they are open on Saturday?

We are not putting the upper plenum on until the cradle is back in the car so it's not critical that we have that part tomorrow but if they are open I may try to talk Surge into making a trip out there.
Seems like that might be a part that could be found at the hardware store, I assume the threaded end is NPT and the other end is just a barbed or nipple end.

How 'bout I do this. I take the one off of my car and scout the local parts stores and home improvement places. When I find the right one, I can PM you with the right size and who has it. Seein' as how I'm the cause of it and all.

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Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck
'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

Relax! You've managed to suck all of the fun out of the room.

I think you can find it at fastenall for sure. Id just take the upper intake with me and see what they have. To get to teh salvage yard. go out 520 south untill it dead ends and go right, there is a new car dealership at the light at the bottom of the ramp. you will go up the hill less than a mile and there is a sign to SRS where it directs you to go right and merge onto another roadway (looks liek an on ramp but it is not) at the end of the merge lane there is a fence on your right...thats it!!

Make sure if you have the intake off the engie to keep the inlets covered with tape or some such, Ive had soem horror stories of obstructions finding their way in and damaging a new engine...

Let me know if my directions suck too bad, remember I am still newish around here...

quote Originally posted by whadeduck: How 'bout I do this. I take the one off of my car and scout the local parts stores and home improvement places. When I find the right one, I can PM you with the right size and who has it. Seein' as how I'm the cause of it and all.

Richard, don't worry about it. It's not that big of a deal and it's just as much my fault as yours.
Stuff happens!

I may swing out there sunday after I get my coil overs on and my new "toy" set up on the littel red car.....(aaahhh shrouded in mystery...) Give me a buzz if you guys end up heading out there sunday.

quote Originally posted by psychosurfer: I may swing out there sunday after I get my coil overs on and my new "toy" set up on the littel red car.....(aaahhh shrouded in mystery...) Give me a buzz if you guys end up heading out there sunday.

If you can get some free time Sunday you need to get your a$$ over here and get mine running!
I'm going to try to get Surge to put the cradle back in Saturday (today), I think we have the majority of the hard to reach stuff done, the rest should be no problem with the cradle installed.
Call us Sunday, you never answer your phone when I call you!
If nothing else we all need to do lunch sometime in the not to distant future.

I know Im hard to get a hold of...I ve been working 45 hrs a week at the shop, 60 hours a week with the magazine, and 20 or so with LSA, PLUS full time graduate school. As you can imagine, Ihave not had a single day off in well over a month, so when I do get a day, its time for me and Amber to play with our cars together (or a quick run over to our most fav break! ONce you guys get everything "in place" give me a ring (or three) and I wil be happy to swing by and help you get it tuned properly. From the pics it looks like a lot of people have stepped up to help make this one heck of a rebuild! I am very impressed from everyone pulling together, maks me jealous of having time off..lol! I will see you gus soon. Give me a call Sunday

Came in late on the thread but noticed the plentum, its engraved which would make it 87-88, the air/line/brake/boost/thingie thats missing will be bigger than the 86 on down, finding the fitting at a hardware or plummers supply would be easy enough--you just want to make sure that little section of the brake boost fitting works at both connections--at top of plentum (larger) and where it sneeks under it and out the back side (another little black connector / L-shaped line there) (smaller).. Then hose again over to the brake boost line on the firewall.. Hope this makes sence.

quote Originally posted by 3800superfast: Came in late on the thread but noticed the plentum, its engraved which would make it 87-88, the air/line/brake/boost/thingie thats missing will be bigger than the 86 on down, finding the fitting at a hardware or plummers supply would be easy enough--you just want to make sure that little section of the brake boost fitting works at both connections--at top of plentum (larger) and where it sneeks under it and out the back side (another little black connector / L-shaped line there) (smaller).. Then hose again over to the brake boost line on the firewall.. Hope this makes sence.

You are correct, it is an 87 and the 86 do-dad is considerably smaller (got one here in my hand, not sure if that came out right LOL).
Once again the part we were looking for has magically appeared along with the rubber hose. We found the fitting and the hose within 4 feet of where Richard took the pics of the intake for reference! Looks like he did take the fitting off after all.
Now on to the next issue, wait we're running out of issues! That could be a good thing and signal that we are almost done. Nah, I'm sure something will pop up before the day is done LOL.

It sure would be nice to have the cradle back in tomorrow!

Isn't that where the pipe from the back of the throttle body goes, the one that feeds extra air from the IAC to the lower plenum? Been awhile since I looked at mine, so not 100% sure.

Here's a couple pics (Courtesy Jazzman)that show the stubby hose that goes on it, and there is a port on the bottom of either the upper plenum or TB that lines up with it ... kind of a pain to get it lined up if I remember right.




Rich
(edited to credit photos)

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quote Originally posted by Richjk21: Okay just went out and looked with an inspection mirror...... the other end of short stubby hose goes to a black tube that runs to a port on the back face (same side that bolts to the plenum) of the throttle body ..... Rich

That would be it! Finally found the hard line and short rubber pipe to put it together!
Thanks


Now if I could come up with a heater to keep Surge out there working on it we could finish up. A nice balmy 42 degrees and he's running for cover!

Heater ...... C'mon man .... we're talking geo-ga here aren't we ???

I came back on to answer the question about the fitting (which you found, so you already know my answer). Good that you found it, it would have been the middle of the week before I could have got it to you if it was here.

quote Originally posted by Electrathon: I came back on to answer the question about the fitting (which you found, so you already know my answer). Good that you found it, it would have been the middle of the week before I could have got it to you if it was here.

It probably would not have made any difference anyway, I've given up on any kind of schedule or deadline on this project. It's to the point now that it will get done when it gets done. I think we could have rounded one up here if hadn't come out of hiding.
Thanks

In the 2 pics above posted by richjk21 what is the metal pipe connected to the small bracket on the rear of the cylinder head? I don't remember seeing that on either one of my 2.8's. Also held on by that bolt is the pipe that goes from the valve cover grommet to the snorkle. I just don't remember ever seeing that bracket or the small pipe before.

quote Originally posted by David DeVoe: In the 2 pics above posted by richjk21 what is the metal pipe connected to the small bracket on the rear of the cylinder head? I don't remember seeing that on either one of my 2.8's. Also held on by that bolt is the pipe that goes from the valve cover grommet to the snorkle. I just don't remember ever seeing that bracket or the small pipe before.

I don't think what you are seeing is a metal pipe but just a retaining clip type thing on that bracket, heres a pic of that bracket.

This one came off of an 86 2.8 I had, I don't remember pulling a bracket like this off my 87 when we were tearing it down.

quote Originally posted by David DeVoe: In the 2 pics above posted by richjk21 what is the metal pipe connected to the small bracket on the rear of the cylinder head? I don't remember seeing that on either one of my 2.8's. Also held on by that bolt is the pipe that goes from the valve cover grommet to the snorkle. I just don't remember ever seeing that bracket or the small pipe before.

I think the tube that you are talking about is the breather tube. The one to the firewall was disconnected in a recall, it went to the air cleaner. The new tube goes to the snorkel. If you do not have this then the recall was likely never done. The purpose of the recall was to stop oil vapors from pooling in the air cleaner and causing a slimy mess that could lead to engine fires.

quote Originally posted by Electrathon: I think the tube that you are talking about is the breather tube. The one to the firewall was disconnected in a recall, it went to the air cleaner. The new tube goes to the snorkel. If you do not have this then the recall was likely never done. The purpose of the recall was to stop oil vapors from pooling in the air cleaner and causing a slimy mess that could lead to engine fires.

Originally posted by David DeVoe:
"In the 2 pics above posted by richjk21 what is the metal pipe connected to the small bracket on the rear of the cylinder head? Also held on by that bolt is the pipe that goes from the valve cover grommet to the snorkle. I just don't remember ever seeing that bracket or the small pipe before."


I think he's talking about the bracket itself, the part circled in red looks like a small pipe but is actually just some kind of retainer for the tube from the grommet to the snorkel or air tube.

I don't recall taking that little bracket off of mine but there was also black overspray on my back valve cover so it's possible someone removed it from mine before it got to me. The bracket I had laying around came off an 86 2.8, is it possible that little bracket is not used on later years?
Jazzmans is an 88 though isn't it, if it is I guess mine should have had one. Either way I'm going to put the one I found on mine, can't hurt anything and my keep the tube from coming out of the snorkel I guess.

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Yeah .... pretty much try and get it lined up as best you can. Hopefully you have a better calibrated eyeball than I did, when I did mine, and went back to set the timing after firing it up it was at about 30 degrees After TDC.

Rich

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The part cicled in red was what I meant, and neither of my 86's has it. I do have a few boxes of misc. parts laying around, maybe I'll get ambitious and paw thru em. Hard to be ambitious at single digit temps tho. Thanks for the answer, hope it helped someone else besides me.

quote Originally posted by DRA: Another question while I'm thinking about it. Once we're all back together and we get ready to set the distributor back in, is it as simple as makeing sure #1 is up on the compression stroke and pointing the rotor to the #1 plug on the cap and adjusting the timing from there? Oh, and I do know I need to stick the paper clip in the adl port.

Yep , you got it, also make sure your timing mark (widest groove) on the harmonic balancer/dampner is at 10 * tdc. You can tell when your # 1 piston is at the top by taking out the spark plug, then put your finger over the hole, turn the crank (19mm) or (18mm) when all the air has pushed out the hole, the # 1 is at the top, then check all the other stuff above, also when the engine is back in the car and your going for the real McCoy on timing --bring the engine up to normal operating temp, then ground aldl as you mentioned, then time # 1 and set to 10* then move over and check # 4 should be close, they say to add both, then take the average---blahhh you can get them both close to 10* with a little tinkering, they don`t have to be dead on, but you get the idea.

quote Originally posted by DRA: This one came off of an 86 2.8 I had, I don't remember pulling a bracket like this off my 87 when we were tearing it down.

This piece is only used on manual tranny cars. It's used to help route the shifter cables.

When setting the timing... Get it as close as you can when you put the motor together. As long as the engine seems to run and rev okay, don't worry about it until you've broken in the cam.

You don't want to let the engine idle until the cam is broken in.
After the cam is broken in, you can set the timing with the timing light.

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Yep, that bracket is used to hold the upper shift cable out of the way on Getrag-equipped V6 Fieros, and since Getrags were on all '87 and '88 V6 models as well as the last couple hundred of the '86 V6 production line that's the only place it'll be found.

James

Glad I didn't waste any time looking for it. Both mine are autos

quote Originally posted by DRA: Originally posted by David DeVoe: "In the 2 pics above posted by richjk21 what is the metal pipe connected to the small bracket on the rear of the cylinder head? Also held on by that bolt is the pipe that goes from the valve cover grommet to the snorkle. I just don't remember ever seeing that bracket or the small pipe before." I think he's talking about the bracket itself, the part circled in red looks like a small pipe but is actually just some kind of retainer for the tube from the grommet to the snorkel or air tube. I don't recall taking that little bracket off of mine but there was also black overspray on my back valve cover so it's possible someone removed it from mine before it got to me. The bracket I had laying around came off an 86 2.8, is it possible that little bracket is not used on later years? Jazzmans is an 88 though isn't it, if it is I guess mine should have had one. Either way I'm going to put the one I found on mine, can't hurt anything and my keep the tube from coming out of the snorkel I guess.

its on my 5speed 87 V6, the shift cables go over it. It looks like it holds them farther away from the exaust. ( not sure if its supposed to be that way, but thats how i got the car .. )

Well the cradle is back in! Still a lot of stuff left to do but the cradle is secure, dogbone+motor/trans mounts secure, and the A/C compressor is mounted.

I guess the little bracket that has been the topic of so much discussion will stay on since we already went to the trouble of installing it. Glad to know it's not something we misplaced, it was never supposed to be there. Does appear to help keep the tube from the valve cover to the snorkel in place.

Yay! Wished I could've been there to help. I'm still at work though.

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Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck
'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

Relax! You've managed to suck all of the fun out of the room.

Trying to crank her right now!

She turns over fine but not getting any spark, sounds like coil or ingnition module.

Any suggestion on narrowing it down?

The pink wire to the coil is showing kinda low voltage, 11.8 but the battery itself is kinda low at this point from sitting for three months idle and then turning the motor over today. Battery checked at 12.6 when we started.

Lookiong into bad grounded coil right now since we painted all the crap and probably interupted the ground for the coil.

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Yahoo!!! Yippee!!

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Whade' "The Duck Formerly Known As Wade" Duck
'87 GT Auto
'88 Ferrario
'84 Indy (8/26/06)

Relax! You've managed to suck all of the fun out of the room.

quote Originally posted by whadeduck: Yahoo!!! Yippee!!

Wish you could have been here to hear it startup, with no exhaust it sounded like the garbage truck that wakes me up on tuesday and friday mornings! LOL

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The exhaust is on not much left to do before we take a test drive!

After we got the exhaust tied up this evening we started it up and after reaching operating temp the idle dropped down to a very acceptable 900rpms. Hoping psychosurfer will be able to drop by and give it a good once over with suufmeister and myself before I start driving it regularly but so far so good.

Want to say thanks to everyone for the help and encouragement up to this point!

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