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installing aftermarket speedo...help! by ktthecarguy
Started on: 06-08-2007 09:31 PM
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Report this Post06-08-2007 09:31 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ktthecarguyClick Here to visit ktthecarguy's HomePageSend a Private Message to ktthecarguyDirect Link to This Post
Hi there,
I have a 1986 SE with a F328 rebody kit, and a Ferr@ri style interior, and I have been trying to get the speedometer to work. The instructions that came with the kit were incomplete about which wire to use, so I did a search here, and found an article about using a VSS buffer chip from a GM car (can't find the thread anymore - sorry). The thread described the problem, that the signal coming from the trannyis analog, and needs to be processed into a digital signal, 4,000 pulses per mile. So I got a VSS buffer, and I am trying to install the correct wires to it. this is what I tried so far, but it doesn't work.

from Fiero connector pin | to VSS buffer pin
S (VSS high) | 1
T (VSS low) | 2
N (to ECM) | 4

Does anyone know the correct wires to run to the VSS buffer?

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Report this Post06-08-2007 11:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for HudiniSend a Private Message to HudiniDirect Link to This Post
Which speedo are you using? Brand, model, etc. Maybe someone has done this swap already.
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Report this Post06-09-2007 04:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ktthecarguyClick Here to visit ktthecarguy's HomePageSend a Private Message to ktthecarguyDirect Link to This Post
Thanks for responing, Hudini, the speedo is a VDO Visions programmable speedo. I currently have it programmed for 400 pulses per minute, which I was told is the correct setting for the Fiero. I'm not sure about which wires go to which pins on the VSS buffer. Anyone ever use this type? It is a Delco, #213225. I have a pic of the buffer and a schematic, how do I add them to this reply?

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Report this Post06-09-2007 05:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RCRSend a Private Message to RCRDirect Link to This Post
Hey ktthecarguy,
Saw your car in your other post. Looks very nice (but a bit too high )

The Vss buffer puts out 4000 pulses per mile. As for posting images, at the bottom of the page there is an icon for the PFF image poster. Click that and follow the instructions.

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Report this Post06-09-2007 06:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for HudiniSend a Private Message to HudiniDirect Link to This Post
I just read these instructions: http://www.egauges.com/pdf/vdo/0-515-012-051.pdf which state it is a programmable speedo so you do not need any buffer. You just set the speedo to 4000 pulses per mile and off you go.

"If you know the exact calibration value for the vehicle and type of sensor you are using (pulse-per-mile or pulse-perkilometer), you may use that value to manually calibrate the speedometer."

So, what to do? The wiring diagrams I have looked at show the VSS with a 2 wire output, VSS high and VSS low. This is like the inductive pickup 2 wire output that VDO describes? Just hook the wires up as per the inductive pickup instructions. Then take it for a test using the VDO instructions to check pulses per mile.

"VDO Programmable Speedometers can be used with inductive, hall-effect, reed and on manual transmissions, with OEM sensors."

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Report this Post06-09-2007 10:50 PM Click Here to See the Profile for jscott1Send a Private Message to jscott1Direct Link to This Post
Where did you get the GM VSS buffer? I'm looking for an inexpensive source of those.
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Report this Post06-10-2007 08:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ktthecarguyClick Here to visit ktthecarguy's HomePageSend a Private Message to ktthecarguyDirect Link to This Post
Hi Hudini,
Thanks for the info. I couldn't figure out from the instructions from VDO if it allowed the analog signal from the tranny, so I was trying to setup a digital signal. Can you tell me which wires in the Fiero console are the VSS High and VSS low? I thought it was the "S" wire for VSS high, and "T" for VSS low, but the colors didn't match what I was told.

Also, it seems like if I can get the speedo to work this way, I still will not have a digital 4,000 PPM signal going to the ECM. (I still get code 24 - no speed sensor).

JScott, try www.buy-oem-parts.com for the buffer, part #25071437. You have to register with them, but it doesn't cost anything. Price was higher than others at $78.00 but it was the only one that could obtain a buffer.
Is this what you mean?
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Report this Post06-12-2007 11:18 PM Click Here to See the Profile for PaulJKSend a Private Message to PaulJKDirect Link to This Post
Here's a pic of the speedo buffer from my 85SE; I removed it from the factory instrument pod where it was mounted near the factory speedo :



I'm using an ISSPRO programmable speedo and THE ONLY way it will work is by tapping off the small pins as shown. I don't remember if I had it programmed for 4000 or 8000 - 4000 I think. I have checked it using GPS and traffic radar signs and it is right on the money. Hope this helps

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Here's a pic of the other side of the buffer board that makes it a little more recognizable. the slotted end plugs into the factory connector

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