quote Originally posted by DIY_Stu: You have got to be kidding me! I don't believe I started this thread by asking Who's choptop this was with glass windows. I just merely came in answering the questions that were asked. I guess we'll all be waiting on the Archee GLASS windows. Just quit asking the glass shop if you can save money by using Nixon's tooling. He's been called four times by the glass shop about people asking that question.

You have got to be kidding yourself, why would you advertise your buddy stuff on PFF knowing how he feels about this forum. Yes your first post was just responding to my question and for that I thank you as you were just trying to help. After you gave me the info I looked into using his glass until someone pointed out to me his views and I moved on. I don't hold you responsible for your assh@le buddy's views but if you feel the need to advertise his sh@t , start a thread. BTW If I'm going to copy someones glass it will be from a set that fits:
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/062004.html so as far as someone calling your glass shop your off base, If I wanted glass that didn't fit a Archie choptop, It would be cheaper to just to buy your buddy's glass. If no ones else steps up to the plate to do glass that fits (correctly) I will just do it myself, there is more than one custom auto glass shop around that knows how to take measurements.

I can't believe we're having this conversation again.

No matter what Stu tells you, The Nixon chop & my chop are NOT The Same. When he started his chop in Aug. 2005 he started this thread https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-2-066331.html

It clearly shows where he's making his cuts & the fact that he is drilling out all the spot welds. I can flat out guarantee that we've never made any of our cuts in the same locations as shown in that thread & we've never drilled out a spot weld in any of our chop tops.

So a little later Nixon started this thread about getting windows made https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-1-054790.html

In that thread he claimed that his windows which supposedly fit his chop would "Fit Archie's chop to a gnat's a$$" At that time, since I had already seen where & how his roof modifications were done, I dis-agreed & explained why. My opinion on how they would fit one of my chops has not changed.

Then in Oct. 2007, one of Nixon's window customers in WI came down to do a comparison between the set of windows he had bought from Nixon with my windows & trial fitted them into one of my cars. His report is in this thread..... https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/062004.html

The findings in that thread prove that contours around the perimeter of the windows were not the same.









Also proven that day was that the curvature of the Nixon was way less than what it would take to fit a 3" chop. These are pics of his windows in one of my chops.....







This picture shows the curvature of his window as compared to mine......



Also proven was that the nixon windows have even less curvature than a STOCK Fiero side glass.



Anyone who actually reads these threads again can see that the window fit testing done in Oct. 2007 100% confirms my original statement more than 2 years earlier that the windows would not fit my chops any where near a "gnat's a$$".

Anyone who can figure in common logic knows that to make a window (that is even flatter than a stock window) fit into the door of a car that's going to require more curve than a stock window is going to require a major movement of the window mechanism outboard. Anyone who i has ever worked inside a Fiero door knows that the window & window mechanism is already very close to the inside of the door beam & that it's going to have to be modified to move the window out far enough at the bottom to bring the top of the window in to the seal.

Here's a pic of the modified side beam on Nixon's car....



You can look at Nixon's own pictures & see that flatter than stock window, even after it's "adjusted" in to fit is still too FLAT & doesn't match the contour of the side greenhouse.



So what was Mr. nixon's response to all this the last time it came up in the window fitting thread? He called me a liar, cheater & other things. Then he ran off to other forums where he calls my customers "Nut Swingers" & other names & tried to make fun of their cars.

He calls me a liar even though every picture & thread referred to in this thread, was either his stuff or was witnessed by his advocate at my shop.

Read the threads, get the facts for yourself.

Stu, you're a Nixon Nut Swinger.........

OK, ..... how do you like being called a nut swinger just because you speak up for someone else?

Archie

quote Originally posted by DIY_Stu: He's been called four times by the glass shop about people asking that question.

It wasn't me, but I like to have glass in #020 before it leaves Archie's.

quote Originally posted by madcurl: It wasn't me, but I like to have glass in #020 before it leaves Archie's.

So what keeps Archee from getting them made? It would definitely allow the windows to be tinted and remain that way. Also safety concerns are an issue when dealing with any window material not designed to break into a million pieces. These are legitimate issues. Had Archee had glass windows available at a reasonable price. Which the $400 per set plus shipping is reasonable. Or at least it was before the economy went to crap, they may cost a bit more now. Every reason that's been said as to why Glass windows cannot be made for an Archee Chop Top is no longer true. Was the glass thicker when he checked? Could have been. But there's more than one glass company out there that can make and sell DOT approved glass windows for his chops.

Archee get off it. I'm not here nor was I here to fight or bicker. I corrected incorrect information and was thanked for it. I answered the original question of the thread. Then relayed a message for a friend that asked me if I could. Heck if Jscott wasn't tired of his car being tied up in shops he says he may have jumped on the offer. Hell it would never hurt to attempt it. I then got jumped on by TroyBoy, who likes to circumvent the censor system, so I posted one last time. Now you jump into the band wagon for your jabs at me.

Now to clear up YOUR misinformation You state that the nixon chop modifies the roof. You couldn't have been more wrong. MINE DOES his does not! That was all my idea as my neighbor who is a structural engineer said it would be much stronger that cutting it any other way. His took the same cut and paste approach as yours. He modeled his after yours. You know the 300+ photos in your picture server. There's enough there to know where your cuts are made. And enough there to see the changes to the process that's been made over the years. But that's not here or there. You have at least 5 sets already spoken for of the glass windows for your chops. Seems like a good market to me. And they won't need to be trained either. So get off your high horses guys I came here to help.

quote Originally posted by Archee: Stu, you're a Nixon Nut Swinger......... OK, ..... how do you like being called a nut swinger just because you speak up for someone else?

Now I'm getting called names? That shows maturity.

Now I'm done with the bickering. Troyboy Don't let this thread goto waste due to has beens. If you're getting windows made the by all means do so and keep us all posted.
-= Proverbs 25:8=-

[This message has been edited by DIY_Stu (edited 06-09-2008).]

quote Originally posted by 355Fiero: Yes he is.

Troyboy. I just came back on the forum for a quick look around and saw your question back to me on this thread.

As Safastro said, I am not Mike Nixon.

Good luck with the side glas search.

Cheers
Don

quote Originally posted by DIY_Stu: So what keeps Archee from getting them made?

Cause that would mean change and an improvment over the current windows/choptop overall. No reason to improve on something that someone is still willing to pay money for and is cheaper.

All those with Archie's choptop, MONEY IN HAND, and WANT GLASS WINDOWS CAST YOUR VOTES;

1. MADCURL-3 SETS.

If you can get 15 sets spoken for then there's no reason not to get them made. Also if you want only one set due to costs etc. Imagine how long it would take to get a replacement glass after some idiot broke one of yours. So buy two sets then you have a back up set. So if Curly gets 3 sets and troyboy gets 2 that puts you 1/3 the way there.Not bad I say.

quote Originally posted by DIY_Stu: So if Curly gets 3 sets and troyboy gets 2 that puts you 1/3 the way there.Not bad I say.

Actually with that logic Curley needs 6 sets and Troyboy 2, that get's you over halfway there.

Put me down for one set...if the price is right maybe two.