I just installed a new weatherstrip for my sunroof. The old one leaked some and had wind noise when the car was moving. Still have the wind noise ! I checked the install and all is correct. I did notice that the roof lined up differently at the rear corners and when locked down all 4 corners were higher than the middle of the glass. I did change the rubber grommets/washers on the leading edge and in the handle. Is this common? Could some of you that have no noise post some close up photos of the edges? Are there other adjustments that I can make?

Thanks.

I have a little noise if I close it when at speed. However, if I close it when I am not moving the noise seems to disappear. Try some pertroleum jelly on between the glass and weatherstrip.

even easier fix. There is a plastic tab you can get from the fiero store for the sunroof this will stop all howling in the sunrof area. these usually break over the years because the sun sits on them under the sunroof. Put in the tab on both sides and wahala not more wind noise.

It is intended to allow the sunroof to fit more snugly on the seal.

what plastic tab are you referring to? i have the same problem. new weatherstrip and now more wind noise.

quote Originally posted by anthony_86gt: what plastic tab are you referring to? i have the same problem. new weatherstrip and now more wind noise.

Glad to know that it is not just me......

quote Originally posted by White Spyder: Glad to know that it is not just me......

I don't know either...

This can also happen if someone put the front tabs in and did not push the glass all the way forward before they layed the back edge down. If you do this it bends the fingers and does not pull the front edge as tight.

Revisiting wind noise, does anyone have more info on these "tabs" spoken of above? Are yuo to get smaller ones thus allowing it to close tighter?
Also I have some side window noise in the lower rear corners of the door glass, I was wondering how normal it is for the door glass to stick way out when it is only half rolled down, maybe that has something to do with it? My windows are crank.

if he means the two slide in clips near the front, they are metal, not plastic

Ya I mean the plastic ones mmeyer86gt/gtp spoke of, what are they?

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On the roof where the metal fingers slide into the openings to lock the roof in place... There is a piece of plastic that clips in on top of the metal opening, and slides down inside the opening. It is basically a shim for the finger, and adds maybe 1/16th of an inch to the thickness of where the fingers sit on the sunroof panel. It causes the front to pull down tighter, making the sunroof fit more snug. I used to have them, and have to see if I can find them again.

I know they used to be on the Fiero Store, but I can't seem to find them anymore.

I replaced my sunroof gasket as well and the noise seemed to be quieter, but I would really like to get rid of it all together... my problem is that I removed the window often.. basiclly if the sun is shining then the glass is in the trunk.. so I would need something that can take the abuse of taking the glass on and off. Any idea's?

make sure the rear latch that locks and unlocks the sunroof panel is tightened down good if not it wont pull the window down hard enough to seal well,

hmmm, I could probably make a shim for the front myself, however my wind noise is no the back, if I pull down by hand on the latch the wind noise stops, it is not mounted loose though.

quote Originally posted by 2.5: hmmm, I could probably make a shim for the front myself, however my wind noise is no the back, if I pull down by hand on the latch the wind noise stops, it is not mounted loose though.

I have been playing with my sunroof recently with the same problem as yours. I am going to try shimming the front latch pcs so it pulls the glass down a little further and I am also going to try removing the back mount for the latch and shimming it down. Looks like you take the latch cover off that is held in place with 1 philips screw and then remove the latch mount that is held in place with 2 nuts. I am going to put a washer or spacer under the mount to get the glass to pull down a little further. It also looks like the plastic or paint coating on the front latches deteriorate and the metal latches themselves rust which probably removes strength from the latch which in turn lets it bend and not pull the glass down far enough. I really hate that wind noise coming in.

I just turn the radio up, or open the sunroof. My sunroof is quieter when opened than closed. I already have 3 shims on the rear latch, and I have to pull the latch down alittle to get it to go quiet.

I find that with the sunroof closed, and both side windows closed, and the blower fan turned on, it starts to blow my drivers side window open alittle, causing a huge wind noise, maybe one of my cab vents is plugged? But opening the sunroof stops that too.

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I have all new hardware installed and tried adjusting everything! Still having wind noise. Its noise is really bad when I open the sunroof and then try closing it. It seems like the new seal doesn't fit that great to me. I love having a sunroof but this wind noise is really annoying. Going on long trips a little peace and quiet would be nice!

The front tabs are actually trim pieces for around the finger holes. There is also a thin plate that can be installed above the rear latch to lower it and pull the back of the sunroof tighter against the gasket.

I think you can get them from the Fiero Store, and can be seen in the exploded drawing of the sunroof. You can use more than one to adjust the closure. The vaseline trick works, plus it keeps the gasket from rotting.

You can shim your sunroof latch so that it closes tighter. I used some (plastic) old tupperware lids to make shims. I cut them into appropriate shapes and put them between the latch and the roof. Now the sunroof closes very tight. You can also bend the tabs in front so that the front is tighter.

I remember reading on this very forum, in years past, that castor oil is good for the seal, and slightly swells the rubber.
Never tried it though, mine is relatively quiet.

Norm

Just an update. I took 2 thick washers and glued a rubber bushing between them; then this was placed between the roof and the latche assembly forward of the mounting screws. Two this happened, severly reduced the wind noise and eliminated the leaks. I'll continue to play with this set up and shimming the front tabs to see if I can eliminate the noise. Oh, one other hint. As like many others the AC in my car is not working so I use the sunroof alot, when I close it due to rain I do so from outside the car taking time to push the glass forward to seat it in the opening better.

I've looked at most of the sunroof threads here on PFF. From visually looking at my sunroof from the front the roof really does not follow the curvature of the glass. Is it possible the roof has been flattened out?? The roof of the car appears to be flat while the glass curves down at both sides leaving a gap between the gasket and the glass. The gasket has 4 pieces of selfstick window weatherstripping in it now to push it up and still doesn't do the trick. Can the roof itself be raised up in the middle with a controlled push (like a small car jack)?

quote Originally posted by Larryh86GT: I've looked at most of the sunroof threads here on PFF. From visually looking at my sunroof from the front the roof really does not follow the curvature of the glass. Is it possible the roof has been flattened out?? The roof of the car appears to be flat while the glass curves down at both sides leaving a gap between the gasket and the glass. The gasket has 4 pieces of selfstick window weatherstripping in it now to push it up and still doesn't do the trick. Can the roof itself be raised up in the middle with a controlled push (like a small car jack)?

No, the roof bolts down to the roof structure all the way around the sunroof.

There are two bolts in front of the sunroof, under the weather strip channel. They go UP from under the headliner, and into "nuts" attached to the bottom of the weather strip channel. The channel is riveted to the roof panel. The sides have one bolt each, and the rear has two bolts.

You can not lift the panel. Your best bet, if your sunroof glass curvature is too much, is to find a panel from a salvage yard or local Fiero owner. Compare the glass, and go with the flatter one.

Just realized that my "moonroof" is in fact a sunroof. That was truely exciting.

I also realized that my front tabs, which are metal, are all rusted (Mine's an '84. Perhaps on later years they were made plastic, as some have mentioned.)

I'll either buy some, if they're avaliable, or make some myself. It could very well be that lots of your sunroofs aren't sealing properly because these front "tensioners" have never been removed so you don't realize how rusted they are. I also think metal was a bad material for these pieces. Metal is not good for rubbing a lot. It grinds and rusts. The pieces should have been plastic or metal and plastic, imho.

-Michael

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does anyone have pictures of the shims that were made and exactly where they were installed. i have tried shimming it but i think i am doing something wrong. also any luck on shimming the front tabs?

The Fiero Store has the front tabs: part# 64246

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quote Originally posted by Larryh86GT: The Fiero Store has the front tabs: part# 64246

They also have the complete hardware kit for the front of the glass. Go to Restoration Parts>Exterior Hardware>page 5. Or in the Search function, enter "Sunroof" for all related items. Like PSWayne, I cut shims from plastic and placed between the rear latch and the roof to eliminate the leak and noise on a previous Fiero I owned. Remove the glass, and then the cover on the sunroof latch,. You'll find a series of screws holding the latch to the roof. Remove the latch, and place shims between the latch and the roofline.

The front tabs were manufactured with a coating, which also helped to add pressure at the front, due to their thickness. Additionally, the deterioration of the sealing washers can cause some problems with a good seal. It might be best to replace everything.

Of the 4 Fieros I have in my driveway, 3 have sunroofs and none have a curvature of the sunroof that matches the body roofline. I've never seen one that matches. This leads me to believe that the glass was manufactured with a fault. On the other hand, I've replaced several person's sunroof seals with a new seal from The Fiero Store, I found that the seal was so soft that nothing would make it seal, and the wind noise and leaks were compounded. One was so bad that the owner opted to reinstall the old seal.

quote Originally posted by Larryh86GT: The Fiero Store has the front tabs: part# 64246

This isn't the shim we're talking about that pulls the front down. I was about to post some good pics to describe it, well, but I'll have to do that later, hopefully tonight, becuase I can't find the usb link to my camera. I'll probably make my own because I don't see them either on Rodney Dickman's site nor The Fiero Store.

-Michael

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The Fiero Store has a plastic " Sunroof Tab Clip" just as mmeyer86gt/gtp said they are part number 64101

I have them on my car and they help with the squeaking as well by acting as a beaaring surface for the glass to move on.

Petroleum Jelly is not a good idea. Being petroleum based it will eventually rot the rubber seal. Silicone based lubricant is a better approach.

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quote Originally posted by 2.5: Revisiting wind noise, does anyone have more info on these "tabs" spoken of above? Are yuo to get smaller ones thus allowing it to close tighter? Also I have some side window noise in the lower rear corners of the door glass, I was wondering how normal it is for the door glass to stick way out when it is only half rolled down, maybe that has something to do with it? My windows are crank.

Side windows are supposed to stick out when down half way, because they are rolled to the shape of the car. The wind noise you are getting is probably a bad seal on the door. If the dew wipe is bad near the back you might get a little noise from air that's getting in.

quote Originally posted by Tinkrr: The Fiero Store has a plastic " Sunroof Tab Clip" just as mmeyer86gt/gtp said they are part number 64101 I have them on my car and they help with the squeaking as well by acting as a beaaring surface for the glass to move on. Petroleum Jelly is not a good idea. Being petroleum based it will eventually rot the rubber seal. Silicone based lubricant is a better approach.

I didn't find part # 64101 on the Fiero Store. Larryh86GT mentioned part # 64246, but that's the steel tab that attaches to the glass. I'm trying to post some pics of the pieces I'm refering to, but I can't log into Fiero Domain. Perhaps Fiero Store used to sell them as part # 64101, but I can't find them right now.

BTW: thanks for the silicone sealant tip.

-Michael

I shimmed down my sunroof latch and it helped some, but now it whistles instead of the sound of blowing air.

Okay! Finally I got my fierodomain stuff worked out. I was trying to log into the forum instead of the gallery, doh! HAhah. Here's the pics, and I'll explain them as needed.
(Click the pics to make them bigger.)


This is the better of my two. It's slightly misshapen, but mostly right. You can see some cancerous rust at top left and mid right.

One from the side.


Profile


From the bottom. Needless to say, I shant be using these...


This is where it goes


And this is how it goes in


So that's it. I hope this pictures help. I'll be making new ones, unless I find a better avenue of fixing 'em, and I'll post a thread of what I do, maybe in my restoration thread.

The passenger's side shim was rusted in two. Also, it appears the pieces were originally riveted or spot welded in, but mine were unattached. You can see what I mean in some of the pictures.

All the best, and God bless your Fiero-ing
-Michael

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I used to get this with the sunroof on my Honda CRX. I eventually found that if I pushed the sunroof forward while closing it, the wind noise mostly went away. Not sure if my sunroof is anything like yours, other than being manually operated, but might be worth giving it a try if you haven't already.

ALL my noise is at the rear of the glass and my front clips look good though. I'll keep playin with it.

quote Originally posted by Fierology: Okay! Finally I got my fierodomain stuff worked out. I was trying to log into the forum instead of the gallery, doh! HAhah. Here's the pics, and I'll explain them as needed. (Click the pics to make them bigger.) This is the better of my two. It's slightly misshapen, but mostly right. You can see some cancerous rust at top left and mid right. One from the side. Profile From the bottom. Needless to say, I shant be using these... This is where it goes And this is how it goes in So that's it. I hope this pictures help. I'll be making new ones, unless I find a better avenue of fixing 'em, and I'll post a thread of what I do, maybe in my restoration thread. The passenger's side shim was rusted in two. Also, it appears the pieces were originally riveted or spot welded in, but mine were unattached. You can see what I mean in some of the pictures. All the best, and God bless your Fiero-ing -Michael

Yes, those are riveted in place. Go to any salvage yard, and find a Fiero with a sunroof... Drill the two rivets out, or even hammer and chisel the caps on them, then pull your brackets.

I bead blasted mine at a workshop, and then repainted them.
I also did all four of the sunroof channels.
I used a pneumatic rivet gun when I reassembled the rails/clips.

I cleaned all of the channel all the way around, re-drilled the four holes in the corners, laid down double sided foam tape in the channel, siliconed the outside edge all the way around, except the extreme corners. I also siliconed the ends of the gasket channel underneath to seal and keep water from washing up towards the screw holes. I installed the rails. I then installed the gasket, and used silicone between the outside edge of the gasket and the channel. This glued the gasket down by the rails on the edges, and kept a nice clean look. It also seals the gasket to the body.

When the sunroof "pees" on you, it is because water has gotten under the gasket, or between the glass and rubber. It sits in that channel and waits for you to take a corner. The four holes help it drain down the frame and onto the ground. The silicone sealant under the channels keeps the water towards the corner, and prevents it from sitting underneath and rusting the channels again.

Sealing the outside edge of the gasket against the channel and the body means that the only way water will get in is between the gasket and glass, and even if it does get in, it will run into the channel, towards the corners, and out onto the ground.

I installed a good condition used gasket, and all of my leaks and issues have disappeared completely.

looks good Synthesis. I wanna do that. Any finished pics?

-Michael

Not yet, but I can get some tonight. My roof panel is beat to hell. It came off of a parts car that was sun faded and badly weathered. I will grab some as soon as I get the chance.

awesome
I need to paint my roof too