quote Originally posted by Oreif: So what terms couldn't Scott meet?

The terms of the check his mouth wrote that his @$$ couldn't cash...

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quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I am waiting for the manual v8 guys to accept my challenge, I will race for whatever, money/pinks, heads up best of 5 races pinks style anywhere in the midwest.

quote Originally posted by Archie: I never saw that challenge before, but you're on. We will be racing for $5000.00 cash, just like on Pinks. (bring cash or Money Order) We will be racing at Great Lakes Dragaway. We can run in late April or early May whatever day you can make it into town. Bring proof that the car you are racing belongs to you. Put up or shut up. Archie

quote Originally posted by darkhorizon: I do stuff other than watch threads on here...I do go to school full time, and pay for it myself without loans. I dont think I am about to agree to a race without knowing anything about the car I am racing. I have information on every single part of my car available on the net here, and I dont even have an idea of what he wants to bring. On the otherhand, knowing I will take crap for this, but I am not going to call archies bluff here, as I dont have 5000 to risk, nor do I want to take my car into the drag racing direction at the moment. i like driving it around town, and the fact I have already gotten back what I invested in it.

He didn't specify an amount at all. He just said "money"

If he doesn't have that kind of cash, then how could he possibly comply?

It was pretty weak of him to just back down, I would have tried to negotiate

I think the main problem here is some people have elected to weigh their cars on inappropriate equipment for the job. You simply cannot take your ~3000lb Fiero to a scale desiged to hold a 100,000 lb semi truck and expect to get an accurate measurement. Do you really think your little ~3000lb car can load the spring of that 100,000 lb or so capable truck scale enough to give you an accurate reading?

Back before I turboed my 3800, I weighed it on purpose-built race car scales. These were seperate scales for each tire and the results can be seen here: http://dtcc.cz28.com/87fiero/weight.htm (2920 lbs). Some years later I was at a dragstrip that had a drive-on scale made for cars and it showed my now-turboed Fiero's weight to be 2940 lbs. with about 1/2 tank of fuel and me not in it.

Now before I put this LS4 engine into the Fiero, I had the heads off of it which made it light enough to put on my shipping scale. I weighed many individual components of the engine and documented them...

Shortblock (dry): 259 lbs (incl crank, rods, pistons, cam, lifters, oil pan, balancer)
Heads (each) : 23 lbs (incl valves, springs, retainers, locks)
Pushrods/rocker arms: 13 lb
Valve covers (both): 6 lb
Intake, TB, hardware, fuel rails: 17 lb
Misc brackets, hardware: 21 lb
Front cover / water pump: 15 lb
starter, alt, hardware: 24 lb
mounts, pulleys, hardware: 12 lb
coil packs (both banks): 8 lb
a/c compressor: 15 lb
head gaskets: 2 lb
head bolts, other gaskets, hardware: 5 lb
front exh manifold: 16 lb
rear exh manifold: 11 lb
exh crossover: 8 lb

That's 478 lbs right there and I didn't even throw in the weight of the wiring harness, computers, or power steering pump. But the above individual weights of components should give you a pretty good idea how quickly the weight of your engine, as installed in the car, can really add up fast. So if you pulled your engine out of a crate and it only weighed xxx lbs then, have you factored in the amount of weight you added to that engine in bolts, mounting brackets, assy's, fluids, etc. once you got it installed into the car? (BTW, no I haven't weighed this LS4 swapped Fiero yet but I am currently researching that option if nothing more than to satisfy my own curiosity.)

Something I would really like to see at the 25th anniv. Fiero show is a drive-on CAR scale somebody can bring in so everybody who wants can weigh their car and compare their results with others that weighed on the same scale on the same day. That should put a lot of this "bench weight-racing" going on here to rest, once and for all.

-ryan

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Nobody seemed to mention one really down to earth factor: How much money do you have?

You'll have to buy either the SBC or 3800 SII S/C, but the SB needs an adaptor plate/kit to get it bolted up. This isn't putting the hate on SBC's, but rather a necessity to consider. The exception is the LS4 which gives you small block cubes and modern day fueling and induction, and comes with a FWD bellhousing pattern just like a 3800, 2.8, 3.4, etc. Great compromise, but it's not likely going to be cheap, either - ask Darth, he's the LS4 expert.

After that, how much skill do you have? Anybody can bolt a V8 in with a full kit if you can afford it.

As for the experience, you'll have to determine what type of engine you like the best for yourself. Watch videos, get a ride in a good example of each.

quote Originally posted by black88fiero: i know a guy who swapped a 3.8 sc in a fiero and would spin the rims in the tires,pull the front wheels of the ground and still get 30mpg

That would be me. Sold the car and the new owner is very happy. I am now debating on the same or a V8 in the DGP car. Rick B

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/039846.html

Everytime I've asked the question "V8 vs V6" the post invariablly turns into a war of words so why don't we try to keep the discussion civil.
I went with the 3800SC V6 after evidence was presented that this engine has very high performance potential and you can get great mileage with it at the same time.
Fiero X finally ran a 10 second 1/4 mile with one so if it can be made to go that fast, its certainly good enough for my Fiero. Its also a FWD engine , bolts to a very hefty 4T65eHD has cross-bolted 4 bolt mains, is easy to modify and the swap doesn't break the bank.
The V8 is not a bad choice, but I judge the V6 to offer more in the way of overall performance, mileage. fit and cost. There are now compact lightweight FWD V8's that will bolt in without an adapter plate or any engine compartment modifications too. The Northstar, LS4 are the venerable 4.9L cadillac are examples. The LS4 is a particularly interesting engine as it has an all aluminum design and active fuel management which (if you could get it to work) might offer mileage on par with the 3800SC. At 305HP and 350 lbs its a potent lightweight package and I might just try doing one in 2009. .
Then there are the RWD V8's that Archie specializes in. There are some really powerful choices of V8's that can be installed with his kit but IMO they appeal to a very select audience that have many diehard Getrag enthusiasts among it. I've never been a big fan of the RWD V8 in a Fiero but what Archie does he does well so if you want your engine to say Corvette on it and you have a big budget, give Archie a call.

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