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Updated Billet 3800 Alternator Mounts Plus More by anwalker
Started on: 06-06-2008 09:53 PM
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Last post by: darkhorizon on 07-24-2008 09:22 AM
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Report this Post06-06-2008 09:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for anwalkerSend a Private Message to anwalkerDirect Link to This Post
OK, I finally worked up a quick proto-type for the lower half of the alternator mount in Billet. I initially designed this from steel but this looks much better and is stronger as well. There are still a few minor kinks that need to be worked out as this is my first proto-type. I received the first round of quotes today from the machine shop for a billet upper and steel lower and the price is very reasonable, however; for a billet upper and billet lower it will be more. I will also be polishing mine to a mirror finish then adding a clear powder coat.








I almost forgot. I also made another billet adapter to make the Bonneville/Park ave/ anything other than the GTP coil pack pulley bracket work in our cars. Notice the outside pulley barley extends past the valve cover. I got tired of fighting with the guys in the junk yard who wouldn't let me pull the GTP bracket off a complete motor.





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Report this Post06-06-2008 10:05 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DementiaSend a Private Message to DementiaDirect Link to This Post
Post some prices if you have them. I like the tensioner set up way better than the gtp coil bracket.
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Report this Post06-06-2008 10:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for anwalkerSend a Private Message to anwalkerDirect Link to This Post
I haven't got the price on the coil bracket setup yet but I will send those out on Monday. To get the Alt. mount with the steel lower will probably run around $50.00 . I didn't have the billet lower section quoted yet. I am guessing the coil relo bracket will be between $40.00-$50.00 with the steel spacer for the head. Keep in mind its just a guess based on the other parts and could be cheaper but I doubt any more expensive.
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Report this Post06-06-2008 11:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MstangsBwareSend a Private Message to MstangsBwareDirect Link to This Post
Good looking mount and decent price if it all works out. I have a Bonny setup like you used if anyone is looking to buy one.
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Report this Post06-06-2008 11:46 PM Click Here to See the Profile for darkhorizonSend a Private Message to darkhorizonDirect Link to This Post
 
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The lower bracket is not machined but soft tooled from .125" CRS and will work on manual transaxles and automatics alike with no clearance issues


My manual transmission doesnt have a differential cover to bolt to over there.

[tinder for flames]

I really dont think that lower mount part will work the way you think it will, My friend that did the manual swap, was convinced that he knew more about mounting alternators than I do, so he mounted his 98 alternator in 2 places, much like you did, and the results involved throwing an alternator near through his decklid.

The side load that mount will see is much more than your mount is designed to handle... If anything the 3/4 inch thick stuff might save it...... but it seems like a bad bandaid for a bad design to begin with.

[/tinder for flames]

i will say that bonne bracket is a decent idea... I dont know if you know this or not, but it offers superior belt wrap compared to the w-body bracket. I honestly would suggest someone to buy them if you do end up making them, it is a good idea.

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Report this Post06-07-2008 01:36 AM Click Here to See the Profile for KEVSend a Private Message to KEVDirect Link to This Post
[QUOTE]Originally posted by darkhorizon:


My manual transmission doesnt have a differential cover to bolt to over there.

[tinder for flames]

I really dont think that lower mount part will work the way you think it will, My friend that did the manual swap, was convinced that he knew more about mounting alternators than I do, so he mounted his 98 alternator in 2 places, much like you did, and the results involved throwing an alternator near through his decklid.

The side load that mount will see is much more than your mount is designed to handle... If anything the 3/4 inch thick stuff might save it...... but it seems like a bad bandaid for a bad design to begin with.

[/tinder for flames]

i will say that bonne bracket is a decent idea... I dont know if you know this or not, but it offers superior belt wrap compared to the w-body bracket. I honestly would suggest someone to buy them if you do end up making them, it is a good idea.

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Don't you have something better to do but bag on this guys stuff. I get the feeling after reading what you post you think your the "3800 God" hate to tell you this your far from it.

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Report this Post06-07-2008 01:42 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Chris HodsonSend a Private Message to Chris HodsonDirect Link to This Post
I like the color you painted that engine. That looks very nice!
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Report this Post06-07-2008 07:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for anwalkerSend a Private Message to anwalkerDirect Link to This Post
I am still working on the manual bracket guys. When I have it ready I will post it for you. Thanks for the compliments.
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Report this Post06-07-2008 07:34 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Fierofreak00Send a Private Message to Fierofreak00Direct Link to This Post
Very interested, keep up the good work. -Jason
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Report this Post06-07-2008 09:47 AM Click Here to See the Profile for darkhorizonSend a Private Message to darkhorizonDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by KEV:


Don't you have something better to do but bag on this guys stuff. I get the feeling after reading what you post you think your the "3800 God" hate to tell you this your far from it.


How many have you done?
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Report this Post07-23-2008 09:39 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Emc209iSend a Private Message to Emc209iDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by anwalker:

I am still working on the manual bracket guys. When I have it ready I will post it for you. Thanks for the compliments.


I'll be waiting for the go ahead for the manual bracket! You're work looks really really clean, and the price is great. Keep it UP!

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Report this Post07-23-2008 04:15 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:


How many have you done?


I share Darks concern. Both his simple mounting technique and mine are very similar- they both firmly mount the alternator in the front and also at a dedicated rear point. With the setup shown here, one bracket is called upon to handle the front and rear stresses. While the alternator mount shown here is neat looking, I also say that it won't work long term and I'm not bagging on this guys work-just trying to make a point. Firm mounting points at the front , bottom and rear will make for a secure alternator mounting.

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Report this Post07-23-2008 05:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Fiero OwnerSend a Private Message to Fiero OwnerDirect Link to This Post
Very nice, I'll be watching this and quite possibly buy at least the coil bracket, if not both. I did buy PR's $250 low mount alt bracket already.
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Report this Post07-24-2008 07:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for anwalkerSend a Private Message to anwalkerDirect Link to This Post
Regarding the strength of the alt. bracket...my dad has the simple mount that you guys describe and I have had the opportunity to play with both and I can tell you that I have no conconcerns with my mount. I can pull my complete motor tranny around on the engine stand by pulling on the alternator with no slop. Just for giggles I can double the strength of the mount by sandwiching the top mounting hole between two plates using spacers back to the block...didnt see the need though.
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Report this Post07-24-2008 09:22 AM Click Here to See the Profile for darkhorizonSend a Private Message to darkhorizonDirect Link to This Post
None of us ever said you had a weak mount, I am sure it will hold it in there without any issue. The problem is you are not mounting something in 2 dimentions, but 3, which means you have to hold the back side.

Without that, you will have the alternator vibrating, and eventually the cheapo alum they use to make the castings will just break and your alternator will go flying. I have seen it personally.
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