Anyone happen to be running a 235/60/15 or a 245/60/15 tire that they can post a picture of ??
In case anyone needs any details..... right now, I have a 225/50/15 on "all 4's" on my 308 replica.
I just installed the 1" drop springs in front and the Intrax 1.7" drop springs in the rear. On a Fiero this would be fine for me, however..... the 308 replicas have a pretty high rear wheel arch. I don't really want to go any lower in the rear of the car (although I do have a brand new adjustable coil over kit if I need to use it). Problem is, if I go much lower in the rear (even though it will look ok with the 308 body kit, I think the car will actually be "too low" ( if the original Fiero body panels were still installed..... that is).
Today, I installed original Fiero lace wheels with 215/60/15 tires in the rear to see what the sidewalls looked like compared to the 225/50/15's in the front and it's really not that noticeable at all. The gap is pretty good but I think a 235 or 245 would get it right where I need it. (Provided that the sidewall wasn't too large)...
The overall diameter of the 225/50/15 is appx 23.9" the 215/60 is appx 25.2 and looks pretty good. The 235/60 would be appx 26.1" and the 245/60 would come in at appx 26.6
I think the 235 would do just fine for me but the 245 looks to be just a "squeak" larger. Just trying to get a few other opinions / pics etc.
To be honest , the 225/50's look great but in front, I could always go with a 55 or 60 series in the front which would visually look a bit better on the car. (well at least on a stock looking 308 anyway).
I'd upgrade to a set of 17" replica wheels but since the 308's came with 14 and 15" wheels, I'd like to stay with my stock 15's to keep the car a bit more "true". (Plus, my replica wheels are in fantastic shape.)
Other than that, the car is looking great. Better than my last 2 308's. With the new springs, the highest point of the roofline is now appx 43" so the car looks nice and low like it should. The V8 is in and I'm touching up the last of the Auto to Getrag swap items now. I'll post a pic when I can get a good shot of it.
I'm sure that's more info than you needed but any thoughts would be a big help.
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Well, this is kind of a bad picture, I'll try to take a better one in a few minutes... but this is what it looks like from this angle... 235/60/15s in the rear, and 215/60/15s in the front.
We are both in the same boat. Mine needs new wheels and tires. The only point I think that might be relevant is that the orognal 308/328 I believe used 215/70/14. That's a fairly large diameter tire and it filled the fenders nicely. It seems like too many times we go to a shorter tire and struggle with filling the fender gaps. I think mine will go against the grain and go with a taller tire in the rear. That 245/60 sounds close.
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Thanks for the pic 82/TA (Ps. I have a 79 T/A with 467cid Olds).
Joe, I agree with you. I think the low profile tires look a bit "off" on the 308's and 328 considering that they came with a much taller tire sidewall originally. I think what I'm leaning toward is a 245/60/15 in the rear and keeping the 225/50's in the front (until they wear down). Most likely, I'd then go with a 215/60 in the front or possibly even a 205/60. I think the 308's look more "proper" with a bit of sidewall. But that's just me. With the lowering springs all around now, the car does have a nice stance now.
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Posts: 749 From: Fayetteville, Arkansas Registered: Feb 2007
I have 235/60R15s on the rear of my '84 Fiero, and my pic is at http://imageshack.us for Atilla_the_Fun, but really, why look at this size on a Fiero when you've rebodied to a quasi-Ferrari?
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It's not so much the Fiero that I'm looking at, it's the sidewall in the pics. I agree with you. It doesn't help to look at a Fiero. I also just noticed that our 528I has 225/60/15's on the winter rims I use. I'm going to compare the sidewall of the 225/60/15 with the 225/50/15 as well. I really think the 235's or 245's will do the trick. Right now the actual car's rid height looks great. Nice and low.
Also, from the Mera sales sheet I have here (for the 87), I have 245's as the tire size in the rear not 265's. Perhaps the 88's used larger but I don't recall. I'll check out the 265/50's as well but the overall diameter of a 265/50 would be somewhere in the area of 25.4in which is .2in taller than a 215/60/15. I really need just a "tad" more sidewall than that. (But the width would be great though...). I think my rim is a 7.5 so I'll check fitment on that as well.
I have Firehawks on the car now and see that Firestone makes the Firehawk in a 235/50/15 but not a 245. I think the difference would be minimal.
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Thanks for the pic 82/TA (Ps. I have a 79 T/A with 467cid Olds).
Hey 3084me,
If you don't mind me hijacking your thread, how do you like the 79 TA with the Olds in it? I'm not done with my TransAm, so I haven't put the new motor in yet. I've bored and stroked my motor out to a 467/468 as well. I went with a Joe Mondello cam, "C" heads, "K" intake, and a bunch of other stuff. Similar builds have yielded about 430hp and 550+ foot pounds of torque. Just curious how you like that motor in that body style? I'm going to get subframe connectors, but I'm wondering how the car handles that much power. What kind of times do you run? Are you using a 12 bolt, a 9" or the GM 10 bolt?
No problem. My 79 was originally a Olds 403 car so the swap was a no brainer for me.... I've had 3 or 4 combos in the T/A over the years (It was my track car back in the mid 90's). I was on the phone with Joe Mondello many times back in the day. The fastest combo that was in the car was the 467cid 1968 Block with the D heads. With the Mondello Cam, Valvetrain, forged internals etc it dyno'd at 471HP and 558 lbs/ft torque. For one season, I ran a 300HP NOS system which we plumbed into the intake runners. With the progressive setup (The car is 100% stock bodied and not tubbed), I ran appx 125HP off the line (Tansbrake, Turbo 400 and 4.88's in the 12 bolt) and then ramped up toward 250- 280HP on the second stage.
I've tried various combinations of intakes etc, a 250 HP Big Shot from NOS as well as the progressive system. going from a 75HP 1st stage with various 2nd stage jets. (It was very easy to "skate the car around" even on the slicks about 1/4 track or so). It's best time was a 9.89 1/4 mile. Right now, the 455/467 is on my stand in the shop. I've also used 2 built Olds 350's in the car. The car's been in storage since 1997 with a 391 HP Olds 350 / turbo 400 and 4.11's in the back end.
I also have a 30K mile 1983 Hurst/Olds (all stock). I had a 70K mile 1983 H/O that was stolen (and recovered back in 1989) that I was planning to Tub and use the 467 in to create a Warren Johnson replica H/O. The guys at W.J. were nice enough to send me some original photos with the original track car sticker "placement" and Mondello mentioned that he'd love to see it at the Mondello Nationals in Englishtown NJ. This was years ago but I got into the the Buick GN's for a few years and never had the time to do the H/O project and eventually sold the car.
I've been into Olds for about 24 years now. Gotta love those 455's.
As far as handling..... Straight line is fantastic. The car handles "ok" but it's a lot of engine in the 79. I did also have the welded subframe connectors. I think a 4 link in the rear and poly busings / aftermarket control arms / suspension components would really help as the technology isn't exactly "current" in the old F-bodies. Overall , It's my favorite car. I've owned it since 1986.
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No problem. My 79 was originally a Olds 403 car so the swap was a no brainer for me.... I've had 3 or 4 combos in the T/A over the years (It was my track car back in the mid 90's). I was on the phone with Joe Mondello many times back in the day. The fastest combo that was in the car was the 467cid 1968 Block with the D heads. With the Mondello Cam, Valvetrain, forged internals etc it dyno'd at 471HP and 558 lbs/ft torque. For one season, I ran a 300HP NOS system which we plumbed into the intake runners. With the progressive setup (The car is 100% stock bodied and not tubbed), I ran appx 125HP off the line (Tansbrake, Turbo 400 and 4.88's in the 12 bolt) and then ramped up toward 250- 280HP on the second stage.
That's pretty cool! I can't imagine running a 9. anything in the quarter mile!!!
My goal isn't really to build a track car, but just to build something I can tear ass in on the street. I plan to make it more or less a street car with a disgusting motor in it. My goal was mid 13s... but I guess I've overshot that some. I've been told I can expect high 12s with what I have. I was hoping to use my posi / disc 10 bolt, but I guess it's probably not going to happen. I may end up having to buy a rear end from Moser, like a 12 bolt or something... especially if I want to keep disc brakes in the back. I had a nice 350 that I was working with, but then I came across this 455 motor and then just kind of went nuts on it. Now, since it's so friggin powerful, I'm more or less forced to upgrade everything else on the car.
This is where my motor sits right now. I bought a switch-pitch Th-400 from the junkyard. It sounds cheesy, but I'd like to have like a "performance" button so to speak... hahah... when I hit it, the following will happen:
1 - Electric exhaust cutouts open and dump the exhaust right in front of the rear tires. 2 - The Switch-Pitch TH-400 transmission switches to the high-stall mode. 3 - The electric solenoid on my shaker pops open.
A little cheesy, I know... hahah... but I think it would be neat.
This is a picture of my motor as it sits in the garage. It's a 69 "F" block, with 69 "C" heads. The "C" heads are the same ones used on the 68 Hurst / Olds. The difference is, my "C" heads came from a full sized car in 69. They actually used the same castings, but the valve sizes were different. HOWEVER, the ports, and everything were the same. All you need to do is install larger valves, which I did. But I went a little overboard and got 2.07:1 intake and 1.72:1 exhaust valves (which are a hair larger than what was stock on the 68 Hurst Olds).
I built the motor to make it look like the 50's style Oldsmobil Rockets. I took a standard set of chrome 455 valve covers, welded a nut upside down, and then got these repo wire loom adaptors and used acorn nuts to bolt them on. I still haven't figured out what I'm going to do about the breather yet...
I ended up using an Olds "K" intake from a 1970 HO Toronado 455. It's the only way I can fit that sick motor under the hood of my TA and be able to use the 403 shaker configuration.
I'm sooo looking forward to the day when I can get behind the wheel of that old Trans Am and just nail the gas pedal all the way to the carpet. Oh, EDIT... just wanted to mention. I just discovered that there's a beefier version of the Th-400... it's called the Th-475. It's basically a Th-400 with a thicker case, stronger webbing, and a MUCH stronger 2nd gear. It was used in RVs and Motorhomes. From what I've been told, I can transfer ALL my SwitchPitch hardware to the Th-475 as well. I figured, If I'm going to make it utterly disgustingly powerful... might as well go for broke.
Originally posted by 3084me: I just installed the 1" drop springs in front and the Intrax 1.7" drop springs in the rear. On a Fiero this would be fine for me, however..... the 308 replicas have a pretty high rear wheel arch. I don't really want to go any lower in the rear of the car (although I do have a brand new adjustable coil over kit if I need to use it). Problem is, if I go much lower in the rear (even though it will look ok with the 308 body kit, I think the car will actually be "too low" ( if the original Fiero body panels were still installed..... that is).
Do you think you could post some pics? I'm close to buying those springs too. I have them on my 97 WS6 TA and love them. I'm just concerned about that high arch as well.
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I can take and post a few pics when I get the car back on the ground. I was mistaken. I typed Intrax but the more that I think about it, I believe the rear springs are the Eibach. I'll check that as well to confirm with you. I think I used the Intrax on my last car.
I think you'll be happy with a 1.5" - 2" drop in the rear. Right now, the 225/50/15 looks nice in front and if I need to, I could go with a slightly larger sidewall by going with a slightly narrower but taller 215/60/15 in the front when they are due for replacement (or if I feel they would look better with the new rear tire size).
By comparing the 215/60 and the 225/60 I have here, the sidewall "difference" between front and rear looks pretty acceptable to me. Right now, (based on comparison of the tires I have here), I think I may go with the 235/60/15 Firestone Firehawk. The 245/60/15 would be just a tiny bit taller and of course wider. I'm trying to decide if the extra width (which I would like) would be worth going with a larger sidewall. I don't want the sidewall to look too "off" between front and rear.
I'll post pics as soon as I can.
82/TA -
Great pics, I was looking at your website for the T/A . Depending on cam selection, exhaust and carb, I'd be willing to bet that low 12's is going to be where you fall in the T/A or possibly even high 11's. Especially with the larger valves.... (again, depending on which cam you chose - Mondello makes some pretty good grinds). I've also been happy with Isky Cams in the Olds motors. I remember pulling a early 70's 455 from a junkyard and in a 1972 Cutlass with Isky Cam, High Rise Intake (no luck with that on the T/A sadly...Unless you take your hood off ), Headers and a Holley 850, I did a 11.90 pass the first time out without tuning and on 28x8 street slicks. I think you'll be happy with your specs.
The current 308 - Before - Yikes ! Look how high the rear end is! (Ok, there was no engine in there.... but still). Looking MUCH BETTER now. Only thing left is the Getrag Conversion and Custom Interior. The Viper Project is getting closer..... (The divorce may be getting closer too......but I'll just have to risk it...
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Posts: 11513 From: Dapto NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2001
My own limited experience from riding in other people's Fieros tells me Firestone Indy 500s are better for the rear of a Fiero than BFGoodrich Radial T/As. I also found this true on the front of mid-'80s Camaros, leading me to believe that some tires do better on that style of suspension. However, on the front of my '89 s-10 and my last '78 Camaro, the BFG was great, and those use a suspension more like the front of a Fiero, which lends credence to my theory, and If you don't mind your front tires matching your rears, would make for some interesting possibilities.
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Posts: 2504 From: North Logan, Utah, USA Registered: May 2008
P.S. I should say that with that engine, you may want to run drag radials for traction, and that gives you NO 245/60-15s, but plenty of 235/60-15s and 275/50-15s. Now it's not recommended to put the 275/50 on a rim less than 8" wide, but recently MM&FF magazine was doing a test, and put the 275s on a 7" wheel, noting it wasn't right, but after track testing, reported no stability issues. They were using the BFGs. In theort a 275/50 should be 25.8" dia, but these are 26.1"
Thanks for the info. No Street slicks or drag radials on this car. I'm tired of blowing Getrags in 1/2. Besides, unlike the last 308 (Dyno'd at 430HP at the flywheel, it was too radical to drive. No traction, very hot running and not fun at all. This engine will fall right where I wanted it to, appx 265-280HP and just a good all around "driver". In the 2700 lb car, it's more than fine for me (plus, I already have a track car so I don't need another "crazy gas guzzler around...)
I do like the Indy 500's as well. I agree with you, certain tires just "go better" with different types of suspensions.
Joe, I'll have to post a pic of my rear wheel area. Are your wheels 6's or 7's ?? My replica wheels are 15x7's (no spacers or anything) and are offset just a bit further to the outsides of the car. My 225/50/15's actually extend "out" pretty well on their own.
I agree with Isolde on the 275's. I too have seen people running 275/50's on 7" and 7.5" rims. Not advised but they have had no problems and I believe someone did a "test" / write-up on that before and did not see any adverse effects. It does however change the profile of the sidewall on a smaller rim. I'd consider using them but I think with the offset of my rims, they may actually stick out AND the height would only be comparable to the 215/60 which is just a bit too short for what I need.
AusFiero, thanks for the pics. What brand tire are you using? I like the way the tread "wraps into" the sidewall and they have that little "ridge / line" below them. I think when the MFG wraps the tread around a bit "deeper" , it does give the illusion of a shorter sidewall which is what I want. I like the way the Firehawks look in this area.
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PIP won't let me post pics, but I'm running 225/60's on the front of my 85GT, as is my brother on his 86 GT. Both have the lace wheels. 235's had a clearance issue on tight turns and 245's on the front were almost undriveable, except on the straight.
On the rear, I have 245/60's and he's running 255/60's without any problems. Either the 245's or 255's fill up the fender well nicely on the stock opening. 255/60 looks to be about the limit on the stock lace wheels without really distorting the sidewalls. We've both had our cars in the curves while scouting for Run For The Hills, without any scrub or handling problems. I didn't see it noted which chassis you're using, but it may be different on an 88 chassis.
Someone had posted a very good chart of wheel and tire profiles within the last year. Might have been The Ogre, or Blackrams if you wanted to do a search. Or maybe someone here remembers.
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Thanks for the reply,. Appx how much sidewall are on those 255/60's ?? I too have a chart here and a calculator that gives the appx diameter, sidewall etc. I think for me to use the 255/60's, I'd have to change the fronts from 225/50's to 225/60's. I think If I didn't the difference in sidewalls would look a bit "off".
My chassis is an 85. I certainly could fit a 255/60 if I needed to though. Right now I'm leaning toward a 245/60.
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Posts: 12955 From: Auburn, Georgia USA Registered: Jan 2002
The sidewall is approx. 5 inches. The overall height is 26 inches as compared to 24 inches on the stock 215/60's. With the stock lace wheels on the rear, the clearance is close on the backside, but there's never been any problems with contact with anything. And yes, you'd probably need to go to the 225/60 on the front. With the 60 series, the bulge of the sidewall is high enough that it clears the strut flange.
You can see the car here, just better than halfway down the page. It's the black 86GT https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/008904-27.html In this picture it still has the 245's on the front that I moved to the rear of mine but the rears are the 255/60's. The rake of his car is much better with the 225/255 combination, as is my 85 with the 225/245 combination.
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Jul 7th, 2008
Isolde Member
Posts: 2504 From: North Logan, Utah, USA Registered: May 2008
Actually, a 275/50 drag radial has the same sidewall height as a 235/60. You really really need to get wider wheels, especially in the rear. Call several of the higher-end wheel shops in your nearest big city until you find one that has a tool called the WheelMate. It is available to the public in a plastic version, but the good version is aluminum, more accurate, and 5 times the cost. This tool lets you find your maximum wheel size, and tells you the offset. It's adjustable fir widths from 6 to 15 inches, and diameters from 15 to 20 inches. Or just order a pair of 295/50R15s, put them in the wheelwells, and send a pair of 15"-dia. steel 5-spoke wheels you like to www.stocktonwheel.com. You'll need to measure your backspacing on the wheel you're currently running back there, you do this with a 15" straightedge and a tape measure. Lay the straightedge across the rim. Not the tallest little tips, but the flats that should be about 1/4 inch below that. Then pull out about 6" of tape, and lock it there. Put the tape beside your straightedge, get your eye down at wheel level, and put the tip of the tape right beside the nearest lug hole. Then have those steelies widened to 10" But IF it was my car, I'd step up to some 275/40-18s back there. Up front, you might like a 265/50-15, preferably on an 8.5", which stockton doesn't offer. But they do offer 8.0" width. IF you want all 4 tires one brand, I think Dunlop still offers their "GT Qualifier T " in both sizes.
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Thanks for the comments. Although it's not the brand you specify. I am familiar with the Wheelmate type tools. I used to use them all the time when we used to back-half cars and do custom framework etc. My goal though on this car is not to have it look like a drag car / track car. (I've already got a drag car). I think 17 and 18" rims don't look "quite that well" on these cars (but I could go for 16" though and I do LOVE the Coppomotive TS 17" replica rims) and while I do like really wide tires, I don't think they look very good on the 308. I've got a BFG 295/50/15 that I set under the car with no rim and it just looks to "dragster" for me.
I think in my "younger days" I'd go with larger rubber but I've calmed down quite a bit. (kind of). I also have a friend who owns a speed shop and he know a great company that does custom wheel work. You can send them anything and they will make it wider, change backspace etc. I had the original wheels on my last Hurst/Olds widened from a 7 to an 8.5" on the rear of the car to run the 295/50's and they did a fantastic job..
I can't wait to get this thing back on the road for a spin. .
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Thanks for the comments. Although it's not the brand you specify. I am familiar with the Wheelmate type tools. I used to use them all the time when we used to back-half cars and do custom framework etc. My goal though on this car is not to have it look like a drag car / track car. (I've already got a drag car). I think 17 and 18" rims don't look "quite that well" on these cars (but I could go for 16" though and I do LOVE the Coppomotive TS 17" replica rims) and while I do like really wide tires, I don't think they look very good on the 308. I've got a BFG 295/50/15 that I set under the car with no rim and it just looks to "dragster" for me.
I think in my "younger days" I'd go with larger rubber but I've calmed down quite a bit. (kind of). I also have a friend who owns a speed shop and he know a great company that does custom wheel work. You can send them anything and they will make it wider, change backspace etc. I had the original wheels on my last Hurst/Olds widened from a 7 to an 8.5" on the rear of the car to run the 295/50's and they did a fantastic job..
I can't wait to get this thing back on the road for a spin. .
Wow..... sounds like we have alot in common when it comes to taste. My GN has the 295/50/15s with 235/60/15 up front for the street rod look. I agree, it's out of place on here. Hard for me to admit that even when my SS Camaro has 315/35/17 on the rear with 255/45/17 up front. I really think the 308/328 looks better with a taller sidewall and a "relatively" narrow tire. I'm toying with the idea of the Compomotive TS too. I've sent them an email asking for a quote.
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Posts: 1035 From: Bucks County, PA Registered: Apr 2005
man.... Looks like we have a bit more in common. I've had several T-Types and GN's. My first was a carbed 1983 T-Type and then I moved up to an 86GN and an 87GN. I just sold the last GN about 2 years back. Fun Cars. I used the 295/15's on the GN as well with the Weld Ultralight's and then switched it up a bit and used the Pro Stars for the last year I had it.
Right now. I have a 30K mile 1983 Hurst/Olds and 1991 Jaguar XJ-S V-12 Coupe and the 308 Replica. My "hotrod" wife is driving her second 3000GT. She took my old 3KGT VR4 for a short time before I sold it and didn't really like the manual trans so I tracked her down a 30K mile 98 GT SL Auto and she's been driving it for the last 5 years now. (Lucky me gets to do a transmission in that now..)
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Jul 8th, 2008
Isolde Member
Posts: 2504 From: North Logan, Utah, USA Registered: May 2008
What matters is you get the car the way you like it. It really doesn't even matter if noone finds any benefit from what I typed. But doesn't it feel good to share what you know?
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3084me Member
Posts: 1035 From: Bucks County, PA Registered: Apr 2005
What matters is you get the car the way you like it. It really doesn't even matter if noone finds any benefit from what I typed. But doesn't it feel good to share what you know?
I 100% agree. It's good that the info is out there. Although on the 308 I (personally) don't care for 18" rims etc, I do find the 18's and 19's incredible on 355 replicas and other cars in general including Fiero GT's etc. The info will 100% come in handy for others looking to upgrade rims and tires. That's what's great about these boards.... you can get a wide range of opinions by others who have done things that you may not have thought of.
Great comments.
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Posts: 12955 From: Auburn, Georgia USA Registered: Jan 2002
Thanks for the pics. What do those Firestone's have on the other side?? (Solid black letters or "outline" letters). If you know..... no need to crawl under there. Just curious if they have a similar "script" to my current firehawks. (Which have an "outline" black letter on the side that I have out).
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Jul 9th, 2008
Isolde Member
Posts: 2504 From: North Logan, Utah, USA Registered: May 2008
That atlanta guy must be into old Camaros. I see lots of that nonsence, from people who either think it's cool, or can't figure out what they need before they pay. There's NO excuse for that. BTW, it's illegal, tho seldom enforced, especially on 4x4 pickups.
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3084me Member
Posts: 1035 From: Bucks County, PA Registered: Apr 2005
That atlanta guy must be into old Camaros. I see lots of that nonsence, from people who either think it's cool, or can't figure out what they need before they pay. There's NO excuse for that. BTW, it's illegal, tho seldom enforced, especially on 4x4 pickups.
I agree. I sometimes also thing that "combinations like that" come from the following:
"Hey Skeeter,
I towed this car to the junkyard and it has "them fancy mag wheels on it..." Do you want them for your car . . .?
"Why thanks Clem. Let's put them on"..
I think some people either buy them cheap, get them free or like you said, just buy the incorrect size / offset and after spending so much money on tires, they just leave them on there. (And..... I guess some people could just "like that awesome look".. :0