I must have a dozen project threads (some I probably forgot about) floating around the forum. It's a PITA to keep track of all that. So from now on, all my Fiero related projects go in here. In order to help people navigate through this thread, I will maintain a table of contents in this post.
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Now I'm working on a custom notchback decklid. The idea is to attach the rear fenders to the decklid (similar to the hood/fender mod), then fill in the tail light area and install 4" round tail lights. And to top it off, the stock spoiler will be moved about 5" toward the rear. Here's the concept sketch:
Here I'm test-fitting the modded spoiler. The angle of attack will be adjustable.
Here I'm making a casting of the tail light section. The casting will be used as a mold for filling the tail light section.
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PFF
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Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
The tail light section isn't vertical. The angle is about 55° from horizontal. If I mounted the tail lights flush with the panel, they'd be aiming up into the sky. So I have to make "tail light pods" to aim the lights straight back. Below, you see the beginnings of that project.
It's taken me a couple weeks to get this far along with the tail light project. So don't expect anything overnight. I'll post updates when available.
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May 29th, 2007
pheonix97031 Member
Posts: 316 From: Corvallis, Oregon, USA Registered: Sep 2006
I made some more progress on the tail light pods. I decided to make the pods half raised and half recessed, like the hood scoop. I want to keep the styling cues consistent, because IMO it makes a car look better than when you throw a bunch of dissimilar styles together.
I decided to take the cheap-n-easy route for making the tail light pods. I built a contraption from scrap 1/4" plywood to act as a form. It holds two round plates in place at the correct angle for the tail lights. Below, you see the form being test-fitted into the mold.
After I was satisfied with the fit, I covered the round plates in duct tape (to keep the resin from bonding to them) and hot-glued the thing into the mold. Then I stretched strips of glass fiber cloth across the gaps. Below, you see the glass fiber ready for wetting. You can see the little pieces of masking tape holding the glass fiber strips in place.
Since that glass fiber cloth is suspended in mid-air, it's not very sturdy. I'll wait until the resin hardens, and then start laying on more fiberglass to form the pods. Once I'm done with that, I start again on the other side.
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Jun 1st, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Let me talk a little bit about the modded spoiler. My original plan was to build a whale-tail spoiler, which is what you see in the concept sketch. But one day, I saw a photo of someone's (I forget whose) spoiler slid a couple inches back. I thought it looked good, but maybe could stand to be slid back a couple more inches. So I got out the old spoiler and played around with it. Below, you see a photo of the result: the spoiler slid approximately 6" to the rear.
I thought it looked great. But there were some technical problems. First of all, there was no way the stock spoiler stands would work. The front edge of the spoiler only overlaps the back of the decklid by a couple inches. So I had to make custom spoiler stands. The other problem was where to anchor the back end of the spoiler. It was hanging out in mid-air.
I was already planning the decklid / tail light mod at that time, so decided to use that to my advantage. With the tail light section filled in, I'd have something structural to work with. I just needed to make a couple prop rods to hold up the back end of the spoiler. Making the prop rods adjustable was basically the icing on the cake.
I also had to chop the pointed ends off the spoiler, because they would hit the decklid when the spoiler was tilted up.
After building the bracketry for the spoiler, I wanted to test-fit it. I taped the hardware onto the car and placed the wing on top. Here are a couple more photos of that.
I'll post more updates as they become available.
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doublec4 Member
Posts: 8289 From: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2003
It's the Ocelot system, sold by the Fiero Store. I decided to replace my glass-pack muffler with this, because the glass-pack is starting to get loud. Plus, the sound coming from it is slowly changing from "mellow and throaty" to "ragged and raunchy". Oh well, it was fun while it lasted. :shrug:
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Jun 14th, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
The headers are ready for action. Today, I wrapped and painted them. I used DEI brand silicone paint, sold at Summit Racing. The header wrap is Summit house-brand. I put a coat of paint on the headers before wrapping them, to be sure the metal was protected. Then I sprayed another coat onto the wrap, to protect the glass fiber. See photos below.
I'm waiting to install the headers until I can find a chassis dyno. I want to get before/after dyno runs, to see how the headers affect performance.
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Jun 17th, 2007
Austrian Import Member
Posts: 3919 From: Monterey, CA Registered: Feb 2007
Originally posted by Blacktree: I'm waiting to install the headers until I can find a chassis dyno. I want to get before/after dyno runs, to see how the headers affect performance.
I can't wait to see the results. That will be awesome.. I've been looking for measured benefits of Fiero headers.
-M
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Jun 19th, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Let's switch attention to the diffuser and cat-back exhaust for a minute. If you look through the "Diffuser Fascia" thread, you'll notice that I had a bullet-style muffler sticking out the back of the car. It took up space inside the diffuser... space which could've been used for moving air. With my new Ocelot exhaust, I eliminated that. The muffler is tucked in between the engine cradle and the "license plate pod" in the rear fascia. And the muffler's outlet pipes are cut short. See photo below.
Here's a shot of the unobstructed rear diffuser.
I guess you could call it the "stealth exhaust".
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Jun 20th, 2007
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Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
I went to the speed shop today to get a dyno run with the ported stock exhaust. Unfortunately, the dynojet machine was malfunctioning. So I have to go back next week after they fix it. My headers get to collect dust for another week.
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shawnkfl Member
Posts: 2457 From: Largo, Florida Registered: Oct 2004
It took longer than expected to get the dynojet machine back in operation. But today I finally got to do my baseline run. Here's the Silver Freak on the dyno.
Next week, I'll do another dyno run with the Trueleo headers installed, and report the results. See ya then!
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Jul 18th, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
The Trueleo headers are installed and dyno tested. Here's a quick shot of the headers installed.
And here are the before/after dyno results. The black lines are power/torque with ported stock manifolds and aftermarket Y-pipe. The red lines are power/torque with Trueleo headers.
The numbers are hard to read. So here's the breakdown: Ported Stock Exhaust -- 117.6 HP / 153.8 ft-lb Trueleo Headers -- 123.2 HP / 160.8 ft-lb
So I've gained approximately 7 HP / 7 ft-lb compared to ported stock manifolds and an aftermarket Y-pipe, which in turn yields about 8-10 HP more than the stock exhaust.
I'd also like to mention that the exhaust sound is different now. The raspy sound is gone, replaced by a deep, throaty sound. And the idle has that "glub-glub" sound. I like it.
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Sep 5th, 2007
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Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Now I'm getting ready to replace my old TH125C with a 5-speed Muncie-Getrag. I decided to use the transmission from an early 90s FWD car. So far, I've spent over $2K on parts. This will not be a cheap swap.
I purchased a 5-speed shifter assembly from a salvage yard, and rebuilt it using Rodney Dickman's kit. Now it's nice and tight, with no slop, and smooth motion.
Here's part of the reason why this tranny swap isn't cheap: an aluminum flywheel and Spec Stage 2 clutch. Also, you can see the shifter cable brackets I bought from Rodney Dickman. They allow the Fiero shifter cables to interface with the FWD transmission.
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Sep 9th, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Since my Getrag transmission was damaged during shipping (it fell off the truck), the bellhousing needed to be replaced. When I opened up the case, I found more damage. The 1st/2nd shift fork is cracked. This was probably caused by the aforementioned fall.
I was able to order a replacement shift fork from a Chevy dealer. Luckily, there were still a few sitting in a warehouse, because this part was discontinued. It cost me $250. Here's a photo of the new shift fork.
And last but not least, here's a shot of the disassembled Getrag.
It's the first time I've opened up a transmission. So it's kind of fun... "edutainment" if you will. It sure as hell beats fiberglass work!
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02:00 PM
RandomTask Member
Posts: 4540 From: Alexandria, VA Registered: Apr 2005
In order to replace that broken shift fork, I have to remove the guts from the transmission case. This is accomplished by pressing out the input/output shafts.
Here is the casing with its guts spilled all over the floor. Clean up on aisle 3!
This transmission appears to have been recently rebuilt. It also appears the transmission was beat to hell before then. Luckily, the new bearings and seals are still in good shape. And there's no damage to any of the gears or synchros, aside from some wear on the reverse gears.
Very interesting. I just pulled a 5 speed getrag today to go into my 86 se. Keep up the good work, I'm learning here. How did you do your peddles? Do I need to look for other items from my donor car before I haul it back to the junk yard?
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Sep 13th, 2007
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Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Another piece of the puzzle arrived yesterday. Along with the transmission, I will also be be swapping out the ECM. I pulled the ECM from a Chevy Beretta, and had it reprogrammed by Ryan (aka DarthFiero) at Sinister Performance. See this thread for details. Hopefully, it will fix some driveability issues I've been having with the stock ECM. Plus, it's compatible with the magnetic speedo sensor in the FWD Getrag. This will also allow me to recalibrate the speedo via the ECM, should the need arise.
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Oct 3rd, 2007
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Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
The transmission has been re-assembled and painted. Here are some photos:
Unfortunately, I ran into a problem. The Fiero's front tranny mount bracket doesn't fit the FWD transmission. The hole in the bracket is supposed to match up with the bolt to the left.
BAH! So now I need to either find a compatible bracket, or make one. Maybe now is the time to buy that welder I've been looking at...
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Oct 11th, 2007
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Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Finding a Grand Prix with a Muncie-Getrag 282 transmission in a salvage yard was an exercise in futility. So I bought a welder, and learned how to use it. Then I made an L-shaped piece of metal to be welded on to the bracket. Here's the end result:
Now that this little snag has been overcome, I can get on with the project.
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Fierofreak00 Member
Posts: 4221 From: Martville, NY USA Registered: Jun 2001
Finding a Grand Prix with a Muncie-Getrag 282 transmission in a salvage yard was an exercise in futility. So I bought a welder, and learned how to use it. Then I made an L-shaped piece of metal to be welded on to the bracket. Here's the end result:
Now that this little snag has been overcome, I can get on with the project.
Too bad you had to make that bracket, I need one for a Fiero Getrag, and I have one for a FWD sitting right here. (shoulda seen me try and make that fit the Fiero trans ). That would have been a easy trade! -Jason
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Oct 14th, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
Fierofreak00 said: Too bad you had to make that bracket, I need one for a Fiero Getrag, and I have one for a FWD sitting right here. (shoulda seen me try and make that fit the Fiero trans ). That would have been a easy trade!
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Oct 19th, 2007
Chris Hodson Member
Posts: 3097 From: Carpentersville Registered: Aug 2006
It looks like I finally have all the details sorted out for the tranny / ECM swap. I had to hit the salvage yard to find some electrical connectors for the transmission and the new ECM. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to find an exact match for the magnetic VSS. So I rigged up something temporary.
I'm also building a gantry to lift the car. During the engine swap last year, I used a shop crane to lift the car. But that made me really nervous, because at full lift (which was necessary for clearance), the crane was up on 2 wheels. As soon as the gantry is done (hopefully by the end of the week), the swap starts.
After the tranny / ECM swap, I'll get back to work on the rear body mods. I promise.
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Oct 23rd, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
The weather has been pretty crappy lately. But in spite of that, I was able to mate the Getrag to the engine, and re-mount everything onto the cradle. I also had to make some modifications to the engine wiring harness to accommodate the 7730 ECM. Plus, I repainted the exhaust. I also installed the clutch/brake pedals, clutch master cylinder, and hydraulic line.
Installing the Fiero Store stainless steel hydraulic line was a PITA. They twisted it into a pretzel to get it into the shipping box. And I had to bend it back into shape. I had to chop up the tranny cooler lines from the TH125, and remove them piece by piece. I also had to remove the spare tire boot, which involved removing the battery box and the battery.
I'm glad all that stuff is done. All I have left now is to reinstall the drivetrain, install the shifter, and install the ECM.
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Nov 6th, 2007
seegeer Member
Posts: 492 From: punxsutawney pa Registered: Oct 2007
hey tree, your a pretty smart dude, i like how you are doing all this work yourself, keep up the good work and creativity, if you want to lend out your mold i would like to use it to do some work to the rear of my car,,,
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Nov 8th, 2007
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
The Getrag swap is now officially done. The car is back on the road. There were a few bugs to work out (like a non-functional VSS). But they've been addressed.
Now I just need to get used to the Kevlar clutch. This thing has Kung Fu grip! There's almost no middle-ground between stalling and spinning the tires.
Oh, one more thing. In another tranny swap thread, I remember someone mentioned having to grind off the TH125 mount bracket to make room for the Getrag. I'm referring to the "mono-mount" bracket on the engine cradle, which was used on the later TH125's. I must've gotten lucky. At the closest point, I have about 1/4" of clearance between the bottom of the transmission and the top of that bracket. In the photo below, the arrow points to it.
My friends are already bugging me to get to work on the tail light mold.
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Jan 23rd, 2008
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
The clamshell decklid project is now underway. The process is going to be very similar to what I did with the hood. Using my angle grinder, I bevel the edges of the decklid and rear clip. Then I position the parts so they line up perfectly. And then I lay strips of glass fiber cloth along the seam.
After the fiberglass cures, I'll use my Dremel tool to "liberate" the fenders from the rear clip. Then I'll do another bevel and fiberglass operation on the underside of the seam.
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Feb 4th, 2008
Blacktree Member
Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
As you can see in the above photo, the tail lamp mounting area has been removed. It would only get in the way of the new tail lamps. Plus, that'll be 8 pounds less fiberglass in the back of my car. I also see a lot of unnecessary fiberglass to be removed from the rear clip and fenders. So it looks like the bodywork will be shedding a few more pounds.
Thanks for the compliments. And yes, the dyno run was done at Titan Motorsports.
Today, I had to cut some more ugly fat off the body panels. The rear clip has two layers of fiberglass. The top layer is the visible part. And the layer underneath is for structural reinforcement. In the photo below, you see that reinforcing layer underneath the fenders. Since the fenders will no longer support the rear fascia, most of that material is no longer needed.
I also had to cut out part of the decklid to make room for the new tail lights. In the photo below, you see the end result of all the cutting I did today. The tail lamp mold is included as a frame of reference.
Today I tossed 4 more pounds of unnecessary fiberglass into the trash.
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doublec4 Member
Posts: 8289 From: Oakville, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jun 2003