I'll get back too you.

FYI
The remote locks/unlocks where shipped to the wrong address (FL). I will put them in the mail TO IL on Monday.

Call me if you need anything or have q's.

quote Originally posted by DIY_Stu: Those mirrors will work just attach bolts to the surface then reinforce that. There's ˝" inside that triangular pocket.

quote One of the replies from MMBrazil. Kit c e n t r a l Forum Index Inbox :: Message From: MMBRAZIL To: FierociousGT Posted: Feb 08, 2008 - 05:34 PM Subject: Re: Diablo replica mirrors You can make new holding bolts, cut the old ones off, get new ones, weld a square steel to the foot ( so the bolt doesn´t turn when fixing it to door )and fiberglass it in the position you want. Have someone that works with fiberglass do it, its very simple to solve your problem. Looking at the pics its very easy to place the mirror in your car, don´t worry I will help you. tks

You're the guys that sold him the mirrors aren't you. Since David has decided that he's going to mount the mirrors himself after the car gets back home, maybe you can convince a few more Fiero people to buy them before Devid gets around to finding out that I'm right about fitting the mirrors on his car.

You're not dealing with a rookie here, I've probably installed as many aftermarket non-stock mirrors on Fieros as anyone.

I was born at night but not last night.

Yes the studs are mounted outside the area of the base of the mirror but I've seen that on a lot of the kit car based stuff. And I know how to mount & anchor replacement studs.

The problem here is that the mirror base doesn't have a chance of fitting inside the triangle area we have to work with.

If you read my previous post you'd see that but I'll explain it again for you.



The area we have to fit into is measured as follows.....

Line "C" is 5.8" long. The angle from line "C" to line "A" is 29 degrees. The angle from line "C" to line "B" is 111 degrees.

Lay this out on a pc. of cardboard & it looks like this.....





Now, let's take a look at the mirror, we'll get back to the triangle later.

I did a complete layout inspection of the mirror.

For reference here, we're going to call the area where the mirror legs meet the base plate the "BODY".

The 2 legs of the mirror have Radii where they meet the base plate. I measured the mirror "BODY" at the base of those Radii, no more no less.





The basic "BODY" of the mirror is 4.45" long & 3.35" high. The legs are rounded a bit where they meet the base plate. So I rounded the corners of the 4.45 x 3.35 rectangle "BODY" with some tape.







All of this results in this template of the "BODY"



Now, maybe one of you guys can convince us that the square peg is gonna fit into the Triangle hole.









As I stated in my original post on this subject, the mirror would have to be mounted a little over 2" down into the door panel to avoid modifying the "A" pillar.

Archie

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Sweet!

quote Originally posted by Archie: You're the guys that sold him the mirrors aren't you.

Damn another payroll I've been missing out on. If he wants those mirrors on his car get them on there. Now that some real pictures have been shown it's still doable. YES the mirror needs to "violate" the A pillar. Hell mold it to it make it one piece with the A pillar. Would probably look better that way. Then when the car's disassembled for paint it can be pulled off. To do this DON'T use bolts from the mirror but install T nuts in the glass and use proper length bolts or bolt from the inside so the mirror will release with the roof panel. If the car won't be able to come back apart. Install a flex sleeve in the spring that will make it into the car for the wires. Then glass the edge of the spring to the base to keep it in place and only disconnect the spring from the mirror it's self for painting. Why wouldn't this work?

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quote Originally posted by DIY_Stu: Damn another payroll I've been missing out on. If he wants those mirrors on his car get them on there. Now that some real pictures have been shown it's still doable. YES the mirror needs to "violate" the A pillar. Hell mold it to it make it one piece with the A pillar. Would probably look better that way. Then when the car's disassembled for paint it can be pulled off. To do this DON'T use bolts from the mirror but install T nuts in the glass and use proper length bolts or bolt from the inside so the mirror will release with the roof panel. If the car won't be able to come back apart. Install a flex sleeve in the spring that will make it into the car for the wires. Then glass the edge of the spring to the base to keep it in place and only disconnect the spring from the mirror it's self for painting. Why wouldn't this work?

how would he open the door?

Hello, first of all I would like to introduce myself. I am MMBRAZIL, I built Lamborghini Diablo 6.0 replicas here in Brazil. My specialty is Fiberglass and Carbon Fiber. If any of you go to the exceptional service forum in kitcentral.com you´ll see my reputation. Unfortunately here in Brazil we have no Fiero´s, so I had no idea even how it looked like. Just answering Archie what I was thinking when I sent the mirrors with the harness off, The mirrors needs painting, and so, have to be disassembled, painted and put back together. If the wiring harness was pre installed you would have to cut the wires take it off for painting. The seals I agree were bad cutted.
Now looking at the pics, it will not fit in that space. I went to the gallery and saw the mirror base of the fiero is mounted in the door sheet. What if you placed the mirror down enough to fit below the A pilar, would it be to low?

Fierowannabe the mirror has to be placed above the door opening. The image I have in my head. Just seeing all the pics I see a l shaped notch having to be cut out of the upper post then molded to the A pillar. This can give the lower post the ability to carry the wiring and clear the top of the door. None the less these mirrors are big and will be a task to get them to work.

MMBRAZIL Nice mirrors, but Dayum they are huge! If they hang down below the horizontal lower line they will keep the door from opening. The rectangular cut out with the 3 holes is the original mirror mount.

Very interesting how a 11" rim is outside the body fender lip on a 88 and not on Chuck's pre 88.



Hey Archie, did you take any under the car pics? How far was he inner barrel from the rear coil-over?

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Archie, I am tried of your constain complaining durning this whole customizing part of the project. What is the problem that I'm requesting for you to just install the mirror triangular base plates and patch up the stock mirror door. I will deal with the mirror issue here even if I have to get another one which may be the case. And that mirror may work on a non-choptop Fiero which does not apply to me. And if your read my previous post I understood that the issue was the bolt too far out (this is what I understood as the body w/ everything in between), but you didn't even answer and just start critizing everyone related to the issue.

David

quote Originally posted by Archie: You're the guys that sold him the mirrors aren't you. Since David has decided that he's going to mount the mirrors himself after the car gets back home, maybe you can convince a few more Fiero people to buy them before Devid gets around to finding out that I'm right about fitting the mirrors on his car. You're not dealing with a rookie here, I've probably installed as many aftermarket non-stock mirrors on Fieros as anyone. I was born at night but not last night. Yes the studs are mounted outside the area of the base of the mirror but I've seen that on a lot of the kit car based stuff. And I know how to mount & anchor replacement studs. The problem here is that the mirror base doesn't have a chance of fitting inside the triangle area we have to work with. If you read my previous post you'd see that but I'll explain it again for you.

Okay guys..

happier times:

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Archie, do you think it would work/fit if the mirrors base goes on top of the window channels, and the window would run inbetween the base and seal? ( How do I post a pic here?)
Building a Diablo is a challenge in every tiny bit, so I am used to having to customize almost everything. And with imagination almost everything is possible.

Here you can see my built, it was built from scratch:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_hVK5paVUQ

quote Originally posted by FierociousGT: Archie, I am tried of your constain complaining durning this whole customizing part of the project. What is the problem that I'm requesting for you to just install the mirror triangular base plates and patch up the stock mirror door. I will deal with the mirror issue here even if I have to get another one which may be the case. And that mirror may work on a non-choptop Fiero which does not apply to me. And if your read my previous post I understood that the issue was the bolt too far out (this is what I understood as the body w/ everything in between), but you didn't even answer and just start critizing everyone related to the issue. David

Dave chill dude, I think Archie was just trying to lookout for you. Archie can be very protective of his customers and fellow fiero owners if he thinks someone was trying to take advantage of them. Maybe It was a good thing Archie came off a little strong, because:

It went from this :

quote Originally posted by FierociousGT: Kit c e n t r a l Forum Index Inbox :: Message From: MMBRAZIL To: FierociousGT Posted: Feb 08, 2008 - 05:34 PM Subject: Re: Diablo replica mirrors "Have someone that works with fiberglass do it, its very simple to solve your problem. Looking at the pics its very easy to place the mirror in your car, don´t worry I will help you. tks"

to this:

quote Originally posted by MMBRAZIL: Now looking at the pics, it WILL NOT FIT in that space. I went to the gallery and saw the mirror base of the fiero is mounted in the door sheet. What if you placed the mirror down enough to fit below the A pilar, would it be to low?

So Archie's replie may have been a little strong but it made all parties take a second look at your problem and reevaluate previous assumptions, and we can now look for more options. Plus Fiero owners have now been for warned that this is not an ez fix, proceed with caution.

Now that we have this all out in the open let's see what we can do to get this bad ass car back on track!!!
You two play nice, you both know this **** happens during customizing ( tension between the builder and the dreamer) but wow look at the results.

F430, 360, 350z, Dave you have options.

edit to say:
MMBRAZIL Thanks for not jumping ship on dave and working with Archie to see if this can be fixed.

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Archie,

I have decided to leave the car in incomplete status. Discontinue any additional work on my car. Assemble the interior, I will second day you the remote locks/unlocks and confirm the car is in the same working state as when it was dropped of the Sep '07. I need a detail invoice ASAP.

David

quote Originally posted by MMBRAZIL: Here is a pic of what i´m saying:

Yes I did suggest the exact same thing to David on the phone. I suggested that we could move line "B" to the rear but I didn't know how far we'd have to go to get the Body into the triangle. I also explained that to test that idea we'd have to cut the mirrors out of the flat base plate & that would very likely make the mirrors unreturnable for a refund. That's when David said I should just put in the metal triangles that we usually mount the mirrors to and he'd then see about mounting the mirrors when he got it home.

I was/am quite satisfied with that decision.

I'd think that line "B" would have to move back 1 or 1.5" at that point the mirror leg would still interfere a bit with the "A" pillar so we could then lower line "C" about 1" into the door skin to finish the job & still look good. However all this would take a bunch of time for R&D & labor which David feels he can do after the car gets home & that also gives him more time to decide if he wants to return the mirrors or cut them up.

Archie

quote Originally posted by FierociousGT: Archie, I have decided to leave the car in incomplete status. Discontinue any additional work on my car. Assemble the interior, I will second day you the remote locks/unlocks and confirm the car is in the same working state as when it was dropped of the Sep '07. I need a detail invoice ASAP. David

Wouldn't the phone be a better place to talk about this?

If line B is moved back this would mean that the mirror would be mounted to the door now and not the car right? That may cause problems with the window rolling up and down since the window swings out before coming back in to finally seal. But if there's a will there's a way. Just gotta find that way. Oh and no I didn't sell him on the mirrors, Just the dew wipes. Speaking of how's the inner dew wipes? if they need replacing replace them before the interior goes in. Chevy 1/2ton 88-98 Outer windows seals work perfect for the Fiero inner seal. Trimming required on the seal.

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quote Originally posted by troyboy: Now that we have this all out in the open let's see what we can do to get this bad ass car back on track!!! You two play nice, you both know this **** happens during customizing ( tension between the builder and the dreamer) but wow look at the results. F430, 360, 350z, Dave you have options.

I agree. The blending of IMSA and the Mad-Arch kit makes this car a "first" and is an unique among choptops. Don't let a minor part (mirror) kill yours and our dreams. We'd like to see it at the 25th.

Maybe this:
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/7765/dave1cw6.jpg

We will find a way!

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Wouldn't the phone be a better place to talk about this?

Probably, but the direction this conversation is going to go has been set.

quote Originally posted by FierociousGT: Archie, I have decided to leave the car in incomplete status. Discontinue any additional work on my car. Assemble the interior, I will second day you the remote locks/unlocks and confirm the car is in the same working state as when it was dropped of the Sep '07. I need a detail invoice ASAP. David

Sounds good to me. Based on your comment after my last post about cutting the lines on the sides of the car, I assume that you’ll be using a pinstripe for that highlight line. That will look a lot better than cutting the line. So once we have the remote locks/unlock thing in & put the interior & door panels back on. Bolt the rear bumper back on put the wheel wells in & we’re done anyway. Anyone can do the correction of the 2 lines on the sideburns & quarter panels & that wasn’t part of the original plan/quote anyway.

So it’s not actually incomplete. Everything that was in the original plan plus several other items are done.

As far as how it runs. It should run fine, the truck driver drove the car off of the trailer when it got here & we started it up & moved twice on the Open House weekend. Other wise it hasn’t been run. When we have moved it around in the shop we just pushed it. That's a lot easier than hooking up the battery & getting in a car with no seat just to move it a few feet.

Thanks

Archie

Great work Archie. Keep it up

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Great Vision Dave, great execution Archie, now onwards and upwards !

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quote Originally posted by exoticse: Now, now guys play nicee. About the threat part...,don't assume it means violence. If i know Dave he wants to hear it from your lips and not some computer screen. I think we are all adult enough to hold conversations (even heated ones) without rolling around on the ground like a bunch of teenagers,... I hope ?? At any rate, let's just drop all this jabbering and get own with the build of a fantastic car. Great Vision Dave, great execution Archie, now onwards and upwards !

all for it.

Mutual agreement with Fiero Thomas

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This is none of my business and you can do as you please but I don't think its a wise idea to be posting someone IP addy in a public forum.

Mutual agreement with Fiero Thomas

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Mutual agreement with Fiero Thomas

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done now on to you

Done. Maybe we can meet at Renwood to play some golf and have a beer too. Not that I know how to play golf...

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quote Originally posted by FierociousGT: Mutual agreement with Fiero Thomas

Good, now lets get back to fixing those mirrors and installing that deck scoop vent.

Has the "Eagle" landed?

more pics ! jadajada

quote Originally posted by Fie Ro: more pics ! jadajada

Peek a boo, i see youuuuuu !

quote Originally posted by Archie:

I really like those side marker lights. What car did they come from?

Any updates?

Don Z.