how is comparing this guy to someone else the makes big claims and never backs them up with proof an insult that deserves a neg? If the person i compared him to made claims with a 383 instead of whatever junk he talked about, would he get the same defense? It seems that if I tried pulling what motorTV did, then would I get caught in a slew of negs too.
Bwhahahahaha.
First, youv'e compared Chuck to one of Pennock's biggest loosers ever, if you had done a little research on MastertunerAkimoto you would have known that there was no comparason at all, if you don't understand the level of insult that youv'e given Chuck, I can't explain it to you. Like I said in my first post. it was and is uncalled for unnecasary and unjustifed, which birngs me to your attitude which has changed considerably weather youv'e noticed it or not others have.
When you started your first swap, you seemed like a decent sort of person. your fabrication could have been better but you provided good information. Now that you have a couple of swaps under your belt and have run high 12's you have turned into a know it all with an attitude. your attitude is becoming increasingly beligerent and overbearing. Right now I could make a comparason between you and a former Pennocks member, but I won't drop to your level.
Originally posted by CowsPatoot: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/064001-13.html It is the red notchback widebody. Pics start around page 12, but I think you will find the best pics on page 13 that the link goes to.
Thanks!
I saw several impressive cars and I think I want my top chopped. No matter what the power rating is, if it is half as fast as it looks sitting still, that's plenty fast enough, and with that kind of power prediction wide tires would have me concerned about the potential for buckling the car at some point in addition to the transmission.
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Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
I saw several impressive cars and I think I want my top chopped. No matter what the power rating is, if it is half as fast as it looks sitting still, that's plenty fast enough, and with that kind of power prediction wide tires would have me concerned about the potential for buckling the car at some point in addition to the transmission.
Thanks.. It was a concern of mine as well... Good point for testing... Btw... The reason i decided to go whih a single turbo was to not have suspension snaping tourqe off the line... as it is realy hard on parts... See, some people do get it... Chuck
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MotorTV Member
Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
The Fiero is still an awesome looking car particularly when the proper attention is paid to a few small areas of the body panels. As long as it continues to have the ability to be refreshed in the manner that I have seen here I will always prefer it modified over a new car until I can afford a new twin turbo Porche. I'm driving my moms 07 3.6L Saturn Aura until I can get back and finish my car which I miss driving very, very much. There's nothing like shifting real gears. The back end of your car makes a very sound statement visually. I just can't wait to go home and finish mine.
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
Originally posted by Formula88: IIRC, the comment about the horsepower that was being "called out" was not made on the forum. Someone overheard it in person, then started posting about it here. I'm all for people proving their claims.
Good point.
I still have to wonder how Fiero Thomas came to the conclusion that it "is pushing 780hp at this time and is a blast" though... It sure sounds like he was having a 1 on 1 conversation with Chuck, and even got a ride in it. So it's not like he was walking by and heard him or someone else say the turbo is capable of "780hp" though......
Am I wrong? Can someone enlighten me to where the 780 number came from since it's been shown to not be true?
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Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
I still have to wonder how Fiero Thomas came to the conclusion that it "is pushing 780hp at this time and is a blast" though... It sure sounds like he was having a 1 on 1 conversation with Chuck, and even got a ride in it. So it's not like he was walking by and heard him or someone else say the turbo is capable of "780hp" though......
Am I wrong? Can someone enlighten me to where the 780 number came from since it's been shown to not be true?
Man.. I know i was pretty tired at CTHC7, but i don't remember giving Fiero Thomas a ride... In fact i can only think of two people i gave rides to... Chuck
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I still have to wonder how Fiero Thomas came to the conclusion that it "is pushing 780hp at this time and is a blast" though... It sure sounds like he was having a 1 on 1 conversation with Chuck, and even got a ride in it. So it's not like he was walking by and heard him or someone else say the turbo is capable of "780hp" though......
Am I wrong? Can someone enlighten me to where the 780 number came from since it's been shown to not be true?
Geeze, I think Congress should setup a committee to fully investigate this terrible occurrence.
You know, at the NIFE show, I overheard Chuck telling some cute young girl that it made 10000 HP at 10 inches of boost.
Do you people realize how petty & stupid the things you are saying sound?
Archie
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MotorTV Member
Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
I still have to wonder how Fiero Thomas came to the conclusion that it "is pushing 780hp at this time and is a blast" though... It sure sounds like he was having a 1 on 1 conversation with Chuck, and even got a ride in it. So it's not like he was walking by and heard him or someone else say the turbo is capable of "780hp" though......
Am I wrong? Can someone enlighten me to where the 780 number came from since it's been shown to not be true?
So should 1 on 1 conversations require documentation on the forum? This is beyond ridiculous, whether the comment was ever made or not.
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
why the hell would I listen to you about anything? I know wheelhop is a problem, but you were not even coming close to having a wheel hop problem with a 2.0 60'.
I know for a fact it was the track conditions that caused what I thought to be wheel hop, because it was only 1 run that it happened. I simply said that I got my fastest run wheel hopping and thats it. The fact you think your a "better racer" than me for going to the track and "taking it easy" then you are wrong. Just because I am young, does not mean I dont know anything.
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
why the hell would I listen to you about anything? I know wheelhop is a problem, but you were not even coming close to having a wheel hop problem with a 2.0 60'.
I know for a fact it was the track conditions that caused what I thought to be wheel hop, because it was only 1 run that it happened. I simply said that I got my fastest run wheel hopping and thats it. The fact you think your a "better racer" than me for going to the track and "taking it easy" then you are wrong. Just because I am young, does not mean I dont know anything.
WTF (Who The F) cares?????? Start your own thread, so we can ignore it.
Archie
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Nevermind, checked back on quotes and seemed everyone was arguing different points about different things and referring to different statements ect ect.
A theme for the thread? haha
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
thats the point archie, I dont care for advice, I never asked for it, he threw it at me to feel like he is smarter than I am, because he feels the need to demonstrate that he has a bigger e-peen than I do.
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WTF (Who The F) cares?????? Start your own thread, so we can ignore it.
Archie
Why are you in this thread again? I don't see you in any other V-6 or 4 cyl thread sticking up for people. Guess getting an e-thug is one of the benefits of buying your kit.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
The only thing about this thread that bothers me, is why is it so important for people to have to prove everything? I have a 450 HP Fiero (Not true just making a point). That statement alone will generate at least 25 replies with people saying prove it and just being down right mean until said person supplies the proof. I don't understand the point. Why do you care so much that you have to stoop to belittling a person for making a claim? Who cares if it's true or not? That right there shows your immaturity and your age. Young immature people just can't stand to be outdone. It eats them up inside until they explode and start posting all this crap.
We have a person at the place where I work who according to him has done everything, and can't be outdone on anything. He is the all knowing on every topic known to man. He is a self proclaimed deity of information. We don't call him out on it. We could care less, we pretty much just roll our eyes and ignore his bs.
sorry, just my observation and .02
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Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Thanks for the emo insight, but I enjoy my fieros, and obviously you cant even comment on fieros that are running 12's. I work hard to make my fieros fast, I do the work myself, and I cant stand people that claim to have a "faster" fiero than I do without proof to back it up. Some people look at it as me trying to turn my "junk" into gold by bragging about it, but really its the way around.
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Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
why the hell would I listen to you about anything? I know wheelhop is a problem, but you were not even coming close to having a wheel hop problem with a 2.0 60'.
I know for a fact it was the track conditions that caused what I thought to be wheel hop, because it was only 1 run that it happened. I simply said that I got my fastest run wheel hopping and thats it. The fact you think your a "better racer" than me for going to the track and "taking it easy" then you are wrong. Just because I am young, does not mean I dont know anything.
Here is a copy of the post... quote Originally posted by darkhorizon:
I dont understand why you are pointing this crap out to me? Why do you think i dont remember what I say?
oreif, why would I post that I wheel hopped if I didnt know what it is? Congrats your schooling me on what my car does.... Unfortunatly there is almost nothing you can do at the track anyway to dial wheel hop on or off, and you know it. In my case it was track conditions, as it promptly cleared up after my run with wheel hop, but my times didnt get faster because I was fighting to find a threshold to launch at, that I never found.
Track conditions have little to do with wheel hop... Here is a few tips that may help you out... For a 12 sec car , the first thing to do is to replace the rear struts... They most likley are worn out... Wheel hop is caused by too much squat on the launch or wornout suspension components... If you have coilover rear struts, you can try giving the spring ajusters a turn or two down to add more preload... I hope this gives you some insite at what to look for to solve the problem... Chuck End Quote
Perhaps you didn't read it as well as the rest of this thread... You did say wheelhop and i offered my insite... This thread is in tech ya know... I hope this info helps you and others reading this thread... Chuck
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ryan.hess Member
Posts: 20784 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Dec 2002
Originally posted by fieroluv: Who cares if it's true or not? That right there shows your immaturity and your age. Young immature people just can't stand to be outdone.
Wait, what? What's more immature?
Would the 'young immature people' who 'can't stand to be outdone' be the people making high HP claims, or the people calling BS on those claims???
I would say it's more immature to inflate your ego by making outrageous claims. (not that that is the case here, since Chuck has put those claims (by other people) to rest)
P.S. I have a 950 hp fiero. <------- Immature.
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Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Well, to elaborate again, I wheel hopped at the end of my first gear, which confused me, I didnt start to hop at all until i saw some RPMs. BTW i make less power at 5k than I do at 3500rpms, so dont say anything about that. If you were a "real racer" you would know that a cold track can be a bit inconsistent at the beginning of the day, which is the only time I heard this "wheel hop" like noise. I dont know why you would care to comment on a problem that I dont even know exists. If you asked me about it before opening your mouth, I would of explained that I wasnt sure if it was wheel hop.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Would the 'young immature people' who 'can't stand to be outdone' be the people making high HP claims, or the people calling BS on those claims???
I would say it's more immature to inflate your e-peen by making outrageous claims. (not that that is the case here, since Chuck has put those claims (by other people) to rest)
P.S. I have a 950 hp fiero. <------- Immature.
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fieroluv Member
Posts: 1951 From: Ft Wayne, IN USA Registered: Jul 2002
LOL.. I never said that it wasn't immature to make outrageous claims. It just gets to me watching people make such a big deal out of it. It's like listening to unruly kids screaming in a store and not have the parents shutting them up. Sends that fingernail on the chalk board sort of thing up my spine.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
LOL.. I never said that it wasn't immature to make outrageous claims. It just gets to me watching people make such a big deal out of it. It's like listening to unruly kids screaming in a store and not have the parents shutting them up. Sends that fingernail on the chalk board sort of thing up my spine.
he never said you did, he was asking a question, whats worse, "me" asking for proof, or "him" for making an outrageous claim. I have done nothing more than ask for proof in the last 3 days that this ordeal has went on. He posted slips, and I posted a dyno graph of 410hp. His slips, even though he claims they a real racer would thing would be super cool and fast, they are really not cool, and indeed apparent of a 400HP car.
His claim was that his car made 780HP in the other thread, and I posted a dyno graph saying other wise, and he posted some excuse that I dont understand or care to look up, then made this thread. He never once refuted the 780HP statement made very clear in the other thread. Honestly this is nothing more than a 1 on 1 conversation with me and him, I guess everyone else just got dragged into it, and it became another RFT vs v8knuckledragger battle, and my rating suffers for it.
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I would like say a few things before this thread hits the trash can... First and formost, Thanks to the people that were truly interisted in what goes on behind the sceens of the faster cars you see out there... As for the children that have to stamp their feet and suck their thumbs... It seems that you read what you want to read, and if what you read does not fit your tantrum, you make things up... No where in this thread did i say how much hp or tourque or what the car turns at the strip... Again that is not what this thread is about... Did you ever think that if you read the threads you cry in you just might learn somthing... You keep saying that i have a 400 hp, 12 sec car... Presumeing that this is tha most hp or the fastest time you kids think it will go, where are you getting this info from? How do you know what the max is... All that that has been ever been posted is a base dyno run for setting up the fuel system and two time slips from a shake down run... You can't be that stupid.. if you are then there is no hope for you kids... And by saying "kids" i don't meen your age...
I had intended to post a dyno run as an example on seting up the fuel system... Is anyone interisted or should i let this one go? Chuck
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motoracer838 Member
Posts: 3751 From: Edgewater Co. USofA Registered: Jan 2006
honestly I would be interested, however we know how others will interpret the sheet. If it is not an all out; push it till it blows dyno run there are going to be nay sayers out there. So I don't think it would be a good idea to post a tuning dyno slip.
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FastIndyFiero Member
Posts: 2546 From: Wichita, KS Registered: Aug 2002
410hp at 12 psi does not equal 780hp at 30psi or 40 psi, its just not happening. Why post a time slip that we cant infer ANYTHING from to prove any points. There is not one data point we can pull from on there that says that car is making anything more than 300 or 400WHP, its also very hard to say it could ever run faster than a 12.3 or a 12.4. Prove anything against that and I will be surprised.
it HAS BEEN CLAIMED that this car makes 780HP, and yet he still refuses to deny it.
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Why are you in this thread again? I don't see you in any other V-6 or 4 cyl thread sticking up for people. .
That's right & you don't see me in those threads bashing & harassing people like you RFT'ers have been doing in this thread either.
We have every RFT thug in this thread by now, except Mr. Poseur & I'd suspect that he's not here because he's realized just how far out of line his statements were in the last thread.
So the only thing you guys have proven is that you can turn any thread on PFF into Trash Can material if you all act like jerks long enough.
Chuck started this thread to answer questions from the other thread without taking that thread off topic & you guys haven't even given him time to breathe.
Show me one thread in the last 3 years where the knuckledraggers have put in the effort you guys have to trash a V-6 or 4 banger thread.
Archie
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
And it has also been claimed your brain is the size of a grain of sand...........refuse to believe it or prove different. .
That post showed no "grain" of thought, and was obviously a pointless bash at me. What did you even intend to mean by that? My brain cant seem to understand insults from a 2nd grader.
