I gave up on this thread when i saw what the trolls had tried to do to it... I must say I am sorry to the people that were really interested in what’s involved behind what you see on TV... There is a reason tracks have test and tune days... to test and tune... Unfortunately these are also the days that the kids that don't want to compete in a real race day show up as well... The trolls looked at the track times and said "look how slow that car is" even though they don't seem to have any cars that can beat it... The other people saw them and said "what were you testing and did you get it dialed in" Two dyno sheets get posted with a 300 and a 400 hp run... The trolls say" man what low horsepower... must be a junk v-8 with no power... running more boost won't help that turd" The other people say "That run just doesn’t look right... what was going on? " Sorry I got fed up with the trolls and stopped posting before that one was answered... I will take this opportunity to answer that question … The reason for the low hp run was to setup the new electronic boos controller… If you look at the run you will see a spike in the boost at the onset of the run and then a little jumpy from then on out both at 6 and 12lbs boost. The way I cut the hp down to those levels was to set the timing way down to 12 degrees total advance… No sense in making big numbers to setup a boost controller … The runs also gave me an opportunity to check the data logging software and wide band a/f meter against a known standard… I have to laugh at the trolls… they remind me of little kids that stamp their feet and suck their thumbs when they don’t get their way… It is so amusing how jealous they get of other peoples nice cars instead of learning how they might make theirs a little nicer for themselves … There are many fine rides out there that have been built with not a lot of cash… I built my car the way I want it… and I always strive to make it better… I don’t have a lot of cash but I do have the knowhow and tools to do most of it myself….
Chuck
PS For laughs and to answer the GTP gripe … here are a couple of time slips from another test and tune session…
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
I just wanted to say to DH that I'm sorry about what I said, I sounded like a d!ck. I'll be down at Milan in the spring time during the test and tunes, feel free to come on down.
Dont even get me started with you christian.... you have been a dick to me IRL and on the internet, why do you want to apologize now.
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
Now I guess the v8 guys are resorting to threads based on my sexual orientation.. the "hulk" on here sent me this pm today with this thread title as the subject.
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let me tell you this: you're not so far away that I won't drive to Flint just to kick your punk ass, you homosexual! And I'm not talking about racing, either. I'm sure you wouldn't be that hard to find-not many people in Flint work on Fieros, I'm sure -homosexual.
the internet is serious business I guess when threatened by completely random that I have never said anything to in my life.
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CTFieroGT87 Member
Posts: 2520 From: Royal Oak, MI Registered: Oct 2002
I guess you did not read my post correctly. I never said a "stock" GNX ran in the 8's, I said a Stage 2 with other modifications have gotten down into the 8's. See: http://www.turbobuick.com/dale_cherry_car.html I never said a GNX off the showroom floor went low 11's. I said with the Stage 2 upgrade (you had to send the car to ACS/McLaren AFTER you bought it) they ran 11.8. . If you really want to know what "pure bullcrap" is, Saying that they used "custom 10.5 forged pistons" is a really good example.
2 things, there are 3 people raving on gnx's. you did not say stock times, the others did. that is the bull crap. put a chip in and run 11.2 was the one specific post.
as for the custom forged pistons it wsa your turn to misread something, that was NOT in the gnx motor, it was in my N/A 3.8, I might even still have the original order sheet from kenne bell.
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Originally posted by Oreif: How is this thread done wrong?? He started running his testing. He posted his initial test runs and many jumped all over him for not doing his "final run". Even you posted at least seven steps. Chuck is basically at step one. Remember he started this in the fall, so it's not like he can go to a track tomorrow (they are all closed for the winter around here.)
he waited til the trolls took it over. I know I posted at least 7 steps, but if he wanted to make this a learning thread, he could have posted the purpose right after the troll post and started the explanation. Better still do a series of posts after it was all done with the final outcome, then there would be no question or argument over what he has and what he can do with the car. then he could answer specific questions on any step along the way. it;s a shame too, as there was alot of potential for some people to learn how to set a car up for a drag run, which contrary to some people is a whole lot harder than it would first seem.
i said 12.2 well either way after researching it i found i was a little out of the loop on that. ends up there's a few people in the mid 11's on stock motor, turbo setups.
somone wanted to see the whole "I am going to drive to flint and kick your ass" pm I recieved.
Don't know of your orientation, and don't care. You need your ass kicked either way. But if you plan on using the lawyer, you'd better actually BE gay...like I said: either way, you need your punk ass kicked. 3 swaps and you think you're some kind of guru? What a moron. Then, someone tries to be nice to you and explain why you are being **** on in the forum, and you respond the way you did? My kid brother is just like you-a little punk who's got more mouth than he can back up; he wonders as well why "everyone else" gives him a hard time. And don't think I'm some old fart who "has it out for kids," I'm only 30. But even at 15, I was a hell of a lot more mature (and knowledgeable) than you appear to be.
And your threat of legal action scares me about as much as a rainy day. You've already proven that you're all talk anyway...don't like me calling you a homosexual? Fine. ***** . I really hope I run into you at an event someday.
Have a nice life. You're in for a losing ride in more ways than one. ***** . ----- Original Message ----- I dont think i told anyone ont his forum about my sexual orientation, but you seem to know all about me, to the point where you have to threaten me about being gay. In most cases this would be grounds for criminal action, its called a hate crime.
I will be calling a lawyer tommorow to see if there is enough grounds for harassment and threatening me with bodily harm just because of my sexual orientation.
----- Original Message ----- Hey I was just giving friendly insight. For someone that doesn't give a **** about this forum, you responded awfully fast. Since you responded with such hostility, let me tell you this: you're not so far away that I won't drive to Flint just to kick your punk ass, you homosexual! And I'm not talking about racing, either. I'm sure you wouldn't be that hard to find-not many people in Flint work on Fieros, I'm sure -homosexual.
----- Original Message ----- I really dont care about this forum anymore, nor do I bash v8 guys just because they are v8's. If this guy was a 3800 with a turbo, I would say the same crap i said in that thread, and he would have made the same excuses.
The knuckle dragger comment was directed tward "motor tv and his crew".
quote you're challenging the "Untouchables"
Duh, thats the point, I proved that there these people do exist which say and do things and do not need to do anything to back up what they are claiming. Why is it that these untouchable people are the ones that are making the money in the fiero business too? I dont like the idea of anyone being able to toss around any crap they say, and not have it matter at all, when confronted they can deny it and just make up excuses when I cant even say facts backed up with proof.
As a word of advice, look at time stamps on these threads, most of my posts are months old. Did I mention I could give a **** about this forum anymore? Its usless for networking, mostly usless for selling parts, and very light on useful information thanks to all of the kunckle heads on here that dont have information to share.
----- Original Message ----- Look, I didn't -and won't- neg you; but I do want to say something. I believe your requests in this thread are valid ones, but the way you present them is condescending and insulting, even to the people (like me) you didn't direct them to. Case in point: You said, "The only name calling that was done was by team knuckledrag. I have not once said anything offensive."
Now, that was an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. (I don't think you're the only one though; MotorTV or whoever really should've titled this thread "Test & Tune" rather than something that suggests bragging rights.)
Not only that, but I'm one of those people who prefer V8s - am I a "knuckledragger?" while I'm sure you didn't direct that comment toward me, I still take it a little personally, because I'm one of those "V8 people." Even though I really like & respect other, smaller displacement motors-especially the 3800 and some inline-sixes, I just prefer V8s.
As for Archie, he's a good guy-but he's also kinda like the proverbial "grumpy old man." His (and mine) preference for V8s is a lot like your preference for automatics. So what if he likes V8s and you like V6s? I say that's great, because it leaves more business for you both!
All that to say this: people are negging you NOT because you're challenging the "Untouchables" by asking for proof; they are negging you for the belligerence with which you are doing it. Does that mean agree with them or quit posting? NO!! It means change your tone, that's all. I have the same problem; I get frustrated and get smart with people easily; that's why I don't post often. I know I have that problem-and I know it's not that people are perceiving me or the things I say incorrectly, it's just ME LOOSING MY COOL.
Take a breath, and a good look inside yourself. Are you sure you aren't doing the same?
Is it really worth all the frustration and even the time typing you've spent on this thread, just to do what? Police the forum on bogus performance claims? Dude, that would be a tall order to fill, on any forum. If it's that important to you, maybe you should start a thread specifically devoted to timesheets and dyno slips, and the combination used. Request that any and all claims are backed up by paper proof, and no comments of any kind are allowed; only Q & A on the circumstances/setup/combination used. Actually we may already have a thread like that, I haven't looked...but it does sound like a good idea if we don't. Any way, take care. I hope you haven't taken offense to this; none was intended.
I'm being serious here. I'm kinda ignorant when it comes to the whole setup of the car. I really would like to know why the times were as slow as they were. Is it because of the timing you pulled back to 12*? I read the posts but I'm still not really sure. You said to figure it out, but I just don't know why they are as they are. I'm not trying to call you out on this, I'm asking for you insight.
The 92mph 1/8 mile was on the 400hp tune? You detuned the engine by pulling timing and only running low boost with the new boost controller? I'm not trying to troll, I'd just actually like to know.
(Edit, I drive a 350hp MANUAL car, and I'm going to have my turbo installed very shortly. I'm going to be running a T70 on the 3800 and looking for 425whp daily driven. I just wanted to add that info so you don't think I'm 'just one of them')
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CTFieroGT87 Member
Posts: 2520 From: Royal Oak, MI Registered: Oct 2002
I'm sorry dude we really haven't. I'm not one of the guys from Delta Chi and I've never been over there when you were. I've never been a dick to you "IRL" or on the internet.
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PFF
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Why would you post that whole thing just to prove that someone offered to kick your butt.
The guy tried to help you by telling you how to avoid negatives by learning how to talk to people & told you how he has sometimes lost hi cool.
You reply to him with the same belligerence he was telling you about. And once again saying that you don't care about PFF. You said that you we're going to RFT before on this Forum.
He responds by loosing his cool & calling you a couple of names.
One of them hits a raw nerve & you threaten him with legal action for gay bashing.
Did you actually READ all of those PM's before you posted them up?????? It doesn't look like he knew you were gay when he started those PM's. To be honest, for it to be gay bashing, I think you have to prove he knew you were gay before he kicked your butt. But now he does know you're gay, so he's unlikely to kick your butt for that reason. Now, you just gotta hope he doesn't kick your butt for being stupid
IMHO, I think you should go back to posting on RFT. Maybe you can get hooked up with Shaunbag, you 2 would make a great bashing tag team. You'd work & fit together so well, you're almost as stupid & as obsessed as he is.
Archie
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somone wanted to see the whole "I am going to drive to flint and kick your ass" pm I recieved.
Don't know of your orientation, and don't care. You need your ass kicked either way. But if you plan on using the lawyer, you'd better actually BE gay...like I said: either way, you need your punk ass kicked. 3 swaps and you think you're some kind of guru? What a moron. Then, someone tries to be nice to you and explain why you are being **** on in the forum, and you respond the way you did? My kid brother is just like you-a little punk who's got more mouth than he can back up; he wonders as well why "everyone else" gives him a hard time. And don't think I'm some old fart who "has it out for kids," I'm only 30. But even at 15, I was a hell of a lot more mature (and knowledgeable) than you appear to be.
And your threat of legal action scares me about as much as a rainy day. You've already proven that you're all talk anyway...don't like me calling you a homosexual? Fine. ***** . I really hope I run into you at an event someday.
Have a nice life. You're in for a losing ride in more ways than one. ***** . ----- Original Message ----- I dont think i told anyone ont his forum about my sexual orientation, but you seem to know all about me, to the point where you have to threaten me about being gay. In most cases this would be grounds for criminal action, its called a hate crime.
I will be calling a lawyer tommorow to see if there is enough grounds for harassment and threatening me with bodily harm just because of my sexual orientation.
----- Original Message ----- Hey I was just giving friendly insight. For someone that doesn't give a **** about this forum, you responded awfully fast. Since you responded with such hostility, let me tell you this: you're not so far away that I won't drive to Flint just to kick your punk ass, you homosexual! And I'm not talking about racing, either. I'm sure you wouldn't be that hard to find-not many people in Flint work on Fieros, I'm sure -homosexual.
----- Original Message ----- I really dont care about this forum anymore, nor do I bash v8 guys just because they are v8's. If this guy was a 3800 with a turbo, I would say the same crap i said in that thread, and he would have made the same excuses.
The knuckle dragger comment was directed tward "motor tv and his crew".
quote you're challenging the "Untouchables"
Duh, thats the point, I proved that there these people do exist which say and do things and do not need to do anything to back up what they are claiming. Why is it that these untouchable people are the ones that are making the money in the fiero business too? I dont like the idea of anyone being able to toss around any crap they say, and not have it matter at all, when confronted they can deny it and just make up excuses when I cant even say facts backed up with proof.
As a word of advice, look at time stamps on these threads, most of my posts are months old. Did I mention I could give a **** about this forum anymore? Its usless for networking, mostly usless for selling parts, and very light on useful information thanks to all of the kunckle heads on here that dont have information to share.
----- Original Message ----- Look, I didn't -and won't- neg you; but I do want to say something. I believe your requests in this thread are valid ones, but the way you present them is condescending and insulting, even to the people (like me) you didn't direct them to. Case in point: You said, "The only name calling that was done was by team knuckledrag. I have not once said anything offensive."
Now, that was an oxymoron if I've ever heard one. (I don't think you're the only one though; MotorTV or whoever really should've titled this thread "Test & Tune" rather than something that suggests bragging rights.)
Not only that, but I'm one of those people who prefer V8s - am I a "knuckledragger?" while I'm sure you didn't direct that comment toward me, I still take it a little personally, because I'm one of those "V8 people." Even though I really like & respect other, smaller displacement motors-especially the 3800 and some inline-sixes, I just prefer V8s.
As for Archie, he's a good guy-but he's also kinda like the proverbial "grumpy old man." His (and mine) preference for V8s is a lot like your preference for automatics. So what if he likes V8s and you like V6s? I say that's great, because it leaves more business for you both!
All that to say this: people are negging you NOT because you're challenging the "Untouchables" by asking for proof; they are negging you for the belligerence with which you are doing it. Does that mean agree with them or quit posting? NO!! It means change your tone, that's all. I have the same problem; I get frustrated and get smart with people easily; that's why I don't post often. I know I have that problem-and I know it's not that people are perceiving me or the things I say incorrectly, it's just ME LOOSING MY COOL.
Take a breath, and a good look inside yourself. Are you sure you aren't doing the same?
Is it really worth all the frustration and even the time typing you've spent on this thread, just to do what? Police the forum on bogus performance claims? Dude, that would be a tall order to fill, on any forum. If it's that important to you, maybe you should start a thread specifically devoted to timesheets and dyno slips, and the combination used. Request that any and all claims are backed up by paper proof, and no comments of any kind are allowed; only Q & A on the circumstances/setup/combination used. Actually we may already have a thread like that, I haven't looked...but it does sound like a good idea if we don't. Any way, take care. I hope you haven't taken offense to this; none was intended.
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10:52 PM
Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
For laughs and to answer the GTP gripe … here are a couple of time slips from another test and tune session…
That's right guys, there was another test session on Chuck's car after this thread started. But this thread had already turned to junk & you all never heard about it.
Chuck, can I destroy the videos of those runs now? They're taking up space on one of my video tapes.
If dh & Scott are the same person then he wouldn't have standing in court to sue someone for gay bashing, would he?
Is he studying to be a lawyer or a politician? He could do that. I mean he flops back & forth more than a fresh Trout in the bottom a fishing boat. He contradicts his own statements all the time, he'd fit right in as a lawyer or poltitician.
Or is he just plain full of & figures if he just keeps on talking somehow he'll cume out on top?
I am not gay, but I have friends who are, a few of which are fiero enthusiasts and frequent members of this forum. I find it sorta funny that somone PM'ing me about how "gay" I am and then theatening me with physical harm and then saying
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I hope you haven't taken offense to this; none was intended.
And If I was gay, I would have for sure never taken any offense to that PM.
wow ..this is like OT politics except more pathetic .
I 100% agree with you.
Go back to the 1st few pages of this thread & you'll see this thread turned to trash on the 1st page. You'll see that the same 4 or 5 people that turned it to trash are the same people that have trashed just about every other SBC type thread started in the last year or more.
I, for one, am getting tired of seeing good people get trashed by haters just for wanting to share their car with others on this Forum.
And I think it's about time they get back the same treatment they've been dishing out.
If that bothers you then I'm sorry.
You can add to the problem or become part of the solution.
Archie
BTW: Ignoring the haters doesn't work. I've tried it.
A
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so is the car setup for the track yet? i see the 121 trap and 12.0 that's not bad, but still isnt where it should be.
too much eyestrain readin to get there. I would guess he might be seeing some issues with the suspension when it is getting really loaded down. the more power you put to it, the more flex you will get in those arms and bushings, and that can get a little squirrelly when the rear "torque" steers like fwd's do. That is only my guess tho, I don;t think he is anywhere near the point fo fine tuning the motor yet, sometimes all the work is in getting the proper weight transfer, and a solid grip thru launch and the shifts.
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
I proved that there these people do exist which say and do things and do not need to do anything to back up what they are claiming.
How exactly did you "prove" it? By making this "challenge"?
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I am waiting for the manual v8 guys to accept my challenge, I will race for whatever, money/pinks, heads up best of 5 races pinks style anywhere in the midwest.
You made the "challenge" and backed down so fast that basically you ran with your tail between your legs faster than your car can go! How did you "prove" anything with that?
Granted there are a few folks with V-8's who don't care about dyno numbers nor track times, But there are an equal number of folks with different swaps (3800SC's, 3.4L, 4.9L, N*, as well as modded stock engines.) who also do not care about getting actual data. The difference is anytime a "SBC V-8" is mentioned, folks like yourself demand data. As an example there are at least 6 threads that are discussing other engines in a Fiero and there are "guesstimates" on the horsepower, But not a single one has anyone demanding dyno or track times. Of course none of them are SBC V-8 threads either. Here is another good one:
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:
I dont like the idea of anyone being able to toss around any crap they say, and not have it matter at all, when confronted they can deny it and just make up excuses
Here is the "excuse" list:
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:
I dont have 5000 to risk nor do I want to take my car into the drag racing direction at the moment unfortunately the time I have to play with cars as a kid is coming to and end after this next summer I just want to enjoy what I have and drive it all year.
Just look at those lame excuses.
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Originally posted by darkhorizon:
look at time stamps on these threads, most of my posts are months old. Did I mention I could give a **** about this forum anymore? Its usless for networking, mostly usless for selling parts, and very light on useful information thanks to all of the kunckle heads on here that dont have information to share.
Months old??? Your "challenge" was 5 days ago, You posted it at 01-07-2008 11:21 AM. If this forum is "useless", then exactly why are you here and why do you keep posting? There are plenty of other forums out there, Why don't you just leave and join one that fits what you are looking for? Maybe you can post some challenges on other forums where they won't call your bluff.
See Ya.
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Matt Hawkins Member
Posts: 586 From: Waterford, MI Registered: Oct 2000
I don't understand why MotorTV is so reluctant to post his results. My turbo car ran a 13.7 the first time out. It now has run 11.9. I don't see why posting your progress along the way is so difficult. I for one am interested is seeing the results. I know how much work it takes for one of these projects.
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KurtAKX Member
Posts: 4008 From: West Bloomfield, MI Registered: Feb 2002
That's right guys, there was another test session on Chuck's car after this thread started. But this thread had already turned to junk & you all never heard about it.
Chuck, can I destroy the videos of those runs now? They're taking up space on one of my video tapes.
Archie
How about you put those videos on youtube, instead? God forbid we have some proof, rather than just talk (from both sides). We've got one group of people spewing BS with no proof evident, and another group calling BS with no proof evident. Anyone making any kind of claim without proof is just bullsh!tting.
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Originally posted by Archie: OK, so what part of "there was another test session on Chuck's car" didn't you understand?
Archie
That's nice. Without any kind of results, this "test session" is meaningless to us. For all we know, it could have been a "hot idle test" at the Burger King drive thru.
"Because I said so" is insufficient evidence to prove that something is true in a court of law, on this forum, and to me. I am not saying that his car doesn't make the 780 hp or whatever, but until I see proof that it has, I'm not believing it. The vast majority of LT1 blocks are two-bolt mains and there are not that many people that know how to build the bottom end of a SBC to accomodate 800 hp. I don't doubt that he's got the hardware on the top end of the engine to do it, but I bet a full power pull results in a bunch of parts that when collectively assembled look like the remnants of a LT1.
I am with Matt Hawkins. I don't understand why the reluctance. Matt and I might be the only people to post so far in this discussion who have dynos and timeslips that match what we claim of our cars.
Edited to say: My friends say that people that like Fieros are gay, so Scott must be gay. The only problem is that I like my Fiero pretty good, so now I am worried about how I am going to return to heterosexuality. I keep having sex with girls, but I still like my Fiero afterwards...I must be incurable.
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OK, so what part of "there was another test session on Chuck's car" didn't you understand?
Archie
you might as well trash the tapes. i'm starting to think this thread was about one thing.... "i've got the biggest E dick" the title to the thread was misleading. big deal, i still thought it would be informative to some people who's never seen this part of the game. so what it comes down to is DH called him on being 780hp. still don't care. but he quit posting informative info. then Archie jumps on me because it looks like i'm not 100% behind this guy. since i asked if the 12.0 was the dialed in pass or not. well after re reading this thread there has been two test sessions. the first on 9-22 and the second on 10-3.
now Archie since there has been only two "test" sessions mentioned and two different date timeslips, then yes apparantly i'm not understanding something. would you be so kind and explain it to me?
i'm honestly suprised that this thread hasn't been trashed yet.
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MotorTV Member
Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
I don't understand why MotorTV is so reluctant to post his results. My turbo car ran a 13.7 the first time out. It now has run 11.9. I don't see why posting your progress along the way is so difficult. I for one am interested is seeing the results. I know how much work it takes for one of these projects.
Because when i started this thread i wanted to share some insite into what is involved in setting up a car... with some fun along the way... The trolls take the fun out of it if you have to read pages of crap from the kids to get to the worthwile information... That is why i stopped posting in this thread... It is not hard to shootdown the posts made by the trolls but it is pointless because they aren't smat or mature enough to learn... When i met Shawna and his buddys in Florida i realised they are a bunch of little snot nosed kids that try to be tough kids on the internet but face to face they run and hide... all talk and no substance... I have to laugh at the fact that even when they get Owned time and time again they keep on coming back for more... Chuck
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
I don't understand why MotorTV is so reluctant to post his results. My turbo car ran a 13.7 the first time out. It now has run 11.9. I don't see why posting your progress along the way is so difficult. I for one am interested is seeing the results. I know how much work it takes for one of these projects.
It would give him so much satisfaction proving us wrong his e-peen would explode.
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PFF
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
It would give him so much satisfaction proving us wrong his e-peen would explode.
You're really into this e-peen thing aren't you?
So how's your e-peen doing today? Mr. Big Shot
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Originally posted by darkhorizon: I am waiting for the manual v8 guys to accept my challenge, I will race for whatever, money/pinks, heads up best of 5 races pinks style anywhere in the midwest.
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Originally posted by Archie: I never saw that challenge before, but you're on. We will be racing for $5000.00 cash, just like on Pinks. (bring cash or Money Order) We will be racing at Great Lakes Dragaway. We can run in late April or early May whatever day you can make it into town. Bring proof that the car you are racing belongs to you. Put up or shut up.
Archie
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Originally posted by darkhorizon: On the otherhand, knowing I will take crap for this, but I am not going to call archies bluff here, as I dont have 5000 to risk, nor do I want to take my car into the drag racing direction at the moment. i like driving it around town, and the fact I have already gotten back what I invested in it.
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2002z28ssconv Member
Posts: 1436 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2005
I only read the first and last page. If there was any substance worth reading in the other pages, let me know... I would sincerely like to know what one has to do to get that much performance from a Fiero.
What I feel compelled to add to this thread...
It doesn't seem to me that it should be so hard for a guy to say, "Hay PFF friends, I built this awesome Fiero! It makes this much HP and Torque and runs this fast in the quarter." Or maybe even,"I have only run this fast in the quarter because I'm still not quite done tuning it." The he could follow it up with the obvious answers to the obvious questions that would follow... How he did it.. If said car builder had it dynoed, why not show the sheets? If it ran down the 1/4, why not show the slips? Why all the big tease?
... Unless this is the kind of thread that he was trying to create in the first place... I don't care who can pee farther! I don't care who's car goes faster or has the most power. There's always a faster car. PERIOD! Why must it become a drama fest?
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04:38 PM
Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
somone wanted to see the whole "I am going to drive to flint and kick your ass" pm I recieved.
Nobody gives a damn about you and your drama. You're all talk and no action. The PMs are probably just as real as your "challenge." If you're tired of this forum, just leave.
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05:21 PM
p8ntman442 Member
Posts: 1747 From: portsmouth RI Registered: Sep 2003
Motor TV thank you for answering my question. You could try being less of a dick though, calling me a troll, rudely dismissing my questions, and then calling them a "gripe". I was the only one with comparative data and real questions, albeit laced with speculation as anyone here long enough must have when another archie car appears claiming wild #'s.
I hope your transmission gets replaced and you get this thing dialed in and can represent fieros for all of us.
Motor TV thank you for answering my question. You could try being less of a dick though, calling me a troll, rudely dismissing my questions, and then calling them a "gripe". I was the only one with comparative data and real questions, albeit laced with speculation as anyone here long enough must have when another archie car appears claiming wild #'s.
I hope your transmission gets replaced and you get this thing dialed in and can represent fieros for all of us.
See that's where the problem is. You & Shaunbag & the rest of them don't even bother to get the facts right. You guys don't want to hear the facts because they get in the way of the bashing. If you actually bothered to actually reasearch your factsa, you'd find that this is not an Archie built car. Chuck bought some parts from us & built the whole car himself. Everybody here knows that Chuck built the car except you & Shaunbag.
Now why is that? Is it easier to bash Chuck if you make it out to be an Archie car?
You want your questions answered so you can use that information to do more bashing with. Just in case you haven't noticed, you guys are never going to be satisfied with any numbers Chuck can turn with it. Under no circumstances are you ever going to let the facts get in the way of your bashing.
So why don't you just go back to RFT & play with the kids.
I think the RFT gang is just scared to hear that the worlds fastest transverse fiero might be a sbc Imagine that, a SBC used for drag racing Ive never heard such a crazy idea before
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
I think the RFT gang is just scared to hear that the worlds fastest transverse fiero might be a sbc Imagine that, a SBC used for drag racing Ive never heard such a crazy idea before
So far its not even close, soooo I know that I am not that scared.
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09:15 PM
prostreet505 Member
Posts: 426 From: Wind Lake, WI 53185 Registered: May 2007
I normally don't get involved in a flame like this but, this thread has got way out of hand and off topic. For starters why does MotorTV have to prove anything to any of you??? He Don't have to prove anything to anybody if he don't want to. This is his thread, so why don't everybody let him write it the way he wants to. It seems that every sbc thread gets invaded by alot of the 3800 guys wanting to see accurate dyno numbers. Why is that?? I don't see the sbc guys going over to the 3800 threads asking for numbers and such. If this was my thread and everybody is getting in a uproar because I did not post what they wanted to see, I would simply tell them "lets meet at the track, put some money on it, and I'll prove it"
MotorTV, Don't let the idiots stop you from posting. This is a good thread and there are alot of us that are interested in your thread. Please proceed with it for the people that are interested.
& figures if he just keeps on talking somehow he'll cume out on top?
How did you "prove" anything with that?
Imagine that, a SBC used for drag racing 
Ive never heard such a crazy idea before 
