I think the RFT gang is just scared to hear that the worlds fastest transverse fiero might be a sbc Imagine that, a SBC used for drag racing Ive never heard such a crazy idea before
I will agree with you on this one that the fastest transverse Fiero will be a V-8 BUT---------It want be a V-8 attached to a manuel transmission---Its not going to happen IMO!!!!!
Is the V-8 in this guys car a SBC or an LT1?
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aaronrus Member
Posts: 870 From: bradenton, FL USA Registered: Nov 2003
An atempt at tag team trolling... how cute,,,, Chuck
ohhh please Chuck, with your "mightier than thou" attitude. stop acting like a "know it all". Youve actually contributed very little to your own thread besides confusing timeslips.. seriously dude..
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aaronrus Member
Posts: 870 From: bradenton, FL USA Registered: Nov 2003
As for Archie, he's a good guy-but he's also kinda like the proverbial "grumpy old man." His (and mine) preference for V8s is a lot like your preference for automatics. So what if he likes V8s and you like V6s? I say that's great, because it leaves more business for you both!
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How old is Archie anyways? old enough to where his balls drag across the water in the toilet?
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
So far its not even close, soooo I know that I am not that scared.
That's funny, You practically tripped over yourself running away from a challenge YOU made.
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Is the V-8 in this guys car a SBC or an LT1?
HUH? The "SBC" is a "Small Block Chevy" which has multiple versions like LM1, LT1, LS1, HO, ZZ, etc. Basically a SBC refers to the basic block size and the designation refers to it's version. So the answer to your question is "Yes", It is an LT1 SBC.
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Archie Member
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HUH? The "SBC" is a "Small Block Chevy" which has multiple versions like LM1, LT1, LS1, HO, ZZ, etc. Basically a SBC refers to the basic block size and the designation refers to it's version. So the answer to your question is "Yes", It is an LT1 SBC.
I was kind of thinking that but really wanst forsure being I am not a big V-8 person and all. I guess my thought was SBC was the old school motors and the LT1/LSX where not considered SBC. Learn something new everyday.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Yeah, it's a shame some of these guys were never taught how to behave in public.
Don't these kids realize that someday they're going to grow up & their children are going to find "Daddy's indiscretions" in some remote spot on the Internet. Then that kid is gonna ask Daddy about it at the Dinner table or maybe he'll wait to ask his teacher at school.
It's one thing saying something stupid in person but after you said it the evidence is gone. His smart mouth will forever be "on record" somewhere on the Internet.
So--I read thru the Thread and searched around but cant find who built this car or a build Thread on it? Car seems a little to fast to be built by Archie(well Archie's guys) so I am guessing the owner somewhat built it. How many miles have been put on the car since the swap/when was the swap done? Would like to read more about the car if anyone has a build Thread to it.
So--I read thru the Thread and searched around but cant find who built this car or a build Thread on it? Car seems a little to fast to be built by Archie(well Archie's guys) so I am guessing the owner somewhat built it. How many miles have been put on the car since the swap/when was the swap done? Would like to read more about the car if anyone has a build Thread to it.
Your asking who built motortv's car in motortv's thread?
I'm guessing this is sarcasm, but I am just an ignorant bystander.
Not a joke---Wondering who built the car. I have read many Threads about others cars and they didnt build the car. Just wondering who built his car and how many miles have been put on the car since the build. Just a few simple question.
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Oreif Member
Posts: 16460 From: Schaumburg, IL Registered: Jan 2000
So--I read thru the Thread and searched around but cant find who built this car or a build Thread on it? Car seems a little to fast to be built by Archie(well Archie's guys) so I am guessing the owner somewhat built it. How many miles have been put on the car since the swap/when was the swap done? Would like to read more about the car if anyone has a build Thread to it.
Actually if you want to see how the car was built, Go here: http://www.msutv.com/2002frame.html MotorTV built the car himself. There are about 7 episodes that cover the building and some early (pre-turbo) testing.
Here is a pic of the pre-turbo days.
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Everyone has there opinion on things, thats whats great about living in America. I dont consider myself a troll being I have been very helpful on the Forum. Its not my fault I dont follow the norm like many others and tend to disagree with what others say. Do I get wrapped up in it sometimes and push the envolope with my post, I will say yes. But that is my personality and the way I am wired so that part of me will never change. You can ask anyone in the NTFC or others I have dealt with, I am one of the nicest/most helpful people there is out there in the Fiero world. But if you want to call me a Troll thats fine cause everyone has there own opinion.
Actually if you want to see how the car was built, Go here: http://www.msutv.com/2002frame.html MotorTV built the car himself. There are about 7 episodes that cover the building and some early (pre-turbo) testing.
Here is a pic of the pre-turbo days.
Kool--this is what I was looking for. I love the looks of the car and how the body is setup on it. Thanks for the link.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Everyone has there opinion on things, thats whats great about living in America. I dont consider myself a troll being I have been very helpful on the Forum. Its not my fault I dont follow the norm like many others and tend to disagree with what others say. Do I get wrapped up in it sometimes and push the envolope with my post, I will say yes. But that is my personality and the way I am wired so that part of me will never change. You can ask anyone in the NTFC or others I have dealt with, I am one of the nicest/most helpful people there is out there in the Fiero world. But if you want to call me a Troll thats fine cause everyone has there own opinion.
When you ask who built the car, that's a question. When you act like a jerk and say "Car seems a little to fast to be built by Archie(well Archie's guys) so I am guessing the owner somewhat built it." you're a troll.
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Of course people are questioning MotorTV's results. The most info he's posted says his turbo V8 runs 12's in the quarter. Oreif's does that N/A. Its not at all unreasonable to expect a turbocharged engine to perform better.
When you ask who built the car, that's a question. When you act like a jerk and say "Car seems a little to fast to be built by Archie(well Archie's guys) so I am guessing the owner somewhat built it." you're a troll.
Thats not being a Troll, thats being me and thats how I will always be. So if some see it as being a Troll then I guess thats there opinion.
I really think it is pointless to go on with this thread unless more data is presented. This was started 3 and 1/2 months ago. I can see how MotorTV was trying to be witty with his post, but he should have known this was going to stir the pot. I for one am interested in the numbers the car produces, not the drama. This is the technical discussion forum. Take all the BS and slander somewhere else.
I really think it is pointless to go on with this thread unless more data is presented. This was started 3 and 1/2 months ago. I can see how MotorTV was trying to be witty with his post, but he should have known this was going to stir the pot. I for one am interested in the numbers the car produces, not the drama. This is the technical discussion forum. Take all the BS and slander somewhere else.
Agreed. Before I had my car dynoed and people asked me what kind of hp I am making, I would say "I have no idea, I will find that out when I dyno it". Before I took my car to the track and people asked me what kind of times I run, I would say "I have no idea, I'll let you know when I get it to the track. Now when people ask me about performance, I can tell them I laid down 257whp and run a 12.95 and I have the printout and the timeslips to back them up.
From a thrid party looking at this, knowing nothing about cars would view it like this.
Matt H ran 11.9 with his 415WHP, and that was after a day of testing, and running in the low 12's.
motortv ran some low 12, I dont think we ever got a "best time" out of it, at his 410whp, so what could we possibly be waiting for here? the car makes less power than others that have ran faster, I dont think there is much less to test and tune here. Everyone that has ran this fast with fiero transmissions knows that 60' foots can not be pushed consistently, so I still have a hard time wondering what the original argument and what information is being withheld here?
The potatos are on the table, nobody has bothered to eat them yet.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
As a side track to the Drama in the thread. What causes the rough area in the graph at approx 4200 rpms?? I noticed it was consistent across all 3 lines.
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there can be a number of reasons for that rough area. Most likely IMHO is intake harmonics affecting flow into the cylinders, or exhaust harmonics. both systems are tuned and some variations are to be expected when approaching the point where they peak out and interactg with each other.
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MotorTV Member
Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
As a side track to the Drama in the thread. What causes the rough area in the graph at approx 4200 rpms?? I noticed it was consistent across all 3 lines.
As i posted at the top of page 8, The reason for the low hp run was to setup the new boost controller... I was running 12 degrees total timing to keep the horse power down for the test.. In doing this a good portion of the fuel was burning in the pipes after the engine... At about 4200 the o2 sensers became overwellemd with fuel and changed the air fuel ratio... That is why there is a change in the curve and why i ended the run at such a low rpm... Chuck
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tjm4fun Member
Posts: 3781 From: Long Island, NY USA Registered: Feb 2006
After looking the webpage over that Oreif posted and doing some other reading about the car, its a screamer. I mean with what the car has done to it, you can see it has plenty of potentional in it. I think the manuel transmission is going to be the hold back but that will only be tested once the car is tested to its full ability. I dont think the car will be a 10 second Fiero but it will be close if everything holds up for a few all out passes.
At about 4200 the o2 sensors became overwhelmed with fuel and changed the air fuel ratio... That is why there is a change in the curve and why i ended the run at such a low rpm... Chuck
Thanks for the quick reply. Did the dyno run have a WB O2 setup on it?
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darkhorizon Member
Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
At about 4200 the o2 sensers became overwellemd with fuel and changed the air fuel ratio... That is why there is a change in the curve and why i ended the run at such a low rpm...
Chuck
100% bull. O2 sensors are not referenced at wide open.
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
100% bull. O2 sensors are not referenced at wide open.
The only time the O2's are not referenced is when the computer is in open loop. You are getting your facts from a supercharged engine where the computer will not control fuel off of the O2 but rather a map or a maf. That is not true on a turbo engine it maintains fuel control off of the O2. Do alittle research before making a statement that you are unsure of.
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MotorTV Member
Posts: 260 From: chicago,il,usa Registered: Nov 2001
Some people would have known i was watching the wide band readings and when they changed i bailed on the run... But they would have had to read the posts in this thread... lol Hard to do from the closet.... Chuck
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See Chuck, I told you that you don't know anything this closet kid knows it all.
Imagine that, a SBC used for drag racing 
Ive never heard such a crazy idea before 
The only time the O2's are not referenced is when the computer is in open loop. You are getting your facts from a supercharged engine where the computer will not control fuel off of the O2 but rather a map or a maf. That is not true on a turbo engine it maintains fuel control off of the O2. 
