Archie---Just out of curiousity, what kind of price tag will this end up with (not counting the original Fiero chassis, motor/tranny upgrade and the Miura body kit)? Looks like an absolute ton of work. Is this going to be a $10k job or a $50k job? I'm guessing the motor/tranny will run between $10k and $15k, installed and anyone can find a space frame for free.
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06:28 PM
Oct 19th, 2008
Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
We've done quite a few things on this car since the last update.
Let me see if I can bring this up to date.
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Originally posted by Archie: While the front clip was on the car, we used some lumber to build a jig from the tops of the fenders & over the Cowl. We attached this jig to the front clip to hold the cowl in place while we removed the clip & put it in a workbench.
I didn't get a chance to take a picture of the jig before Rob had put the front clip on the workbench, so I'll post a pic of it here before we remove it from the front clip. Archie
Here are some pictures of the jig we used while doing the center area of the front clip.....
Notice how the jig was built to get the center of the front clip to mathc up with the cowl area.
Once we put the clip back onto the car & before removing the jig, we looked at what it was it was going to take the get the sideburns to stay in place. We decided to to build onto the jig to have it hold the sideburns into place so we could reinforce them also.
We used the sideburn jig to hold the sideburns where we wanted them while we handformed steel & glassed it into the inside of the clip. The steel is also welded to all the previous steel work on the inside of the front clip.
After this is all glassed into place, the front clip is put back onto the car & the jig removed.
Here you can see how the whole front clip has a complete steel framework skeleton to support it & hopefully keep the fiberglass body from moving around anymore than it already has.
With the clip closed you can see that the fender arches, the center flat area & the sideburns match up pretty well with the rest of the body.
Archie
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MetroMatt Member
Posts: 702 From: Washington, D.C., CAR located in Monroe, Michigan Registered: Jan 2005
Niiice update archie, but you evaded the previous question!
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I'm pretty sure that there is no set price on what this one off will end up costing. To many unknown factors to give a firm quote. I think it's one of those builds where if you have to ask how much..............you can't afford it.
This is just my opinion, I have been wrong.
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bubbajoexxx Member
Posts: 1630 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Aug 2003
We've done quite a few things on this car since the last update.
Let me see if I can bring this up to date.
Here are some pictures of the jig we used while doing the center area of the front clip.....
Notice how the jig was built to get the center of the front clip to mathc up with the cowl area.
Once we put the clip back onto the car & before removing the jig, we looked at what it was it was going to take the get the sideburns to stay in place. We decided to to build onto the jig to have it hold the sideburns into place so we could reinforce them also.
We used the sideburn jig to hold the sideburns where we wanted them while we handformed steel & glassed it into the inside of the clip. The steel is also welded to all the previous steel work on the inside of the front clip.
After this is all glassed into place, the front clip is put back onto the car & the jig removed.
Here you can see how the whole front clip has a complete steel framework skeleton to support it & hopefully keep the fiberglass body from moving around anymore than it already has.
With the clip closed you can see that the fender arches, the center flat area & the sideburns match up pretty well with the rest of the body.
Archie
Archie that is one damn nice job on the reenfocemnets on the front clip I wish more people took the time to do it right seen to many kobled up kits lately
Love the build
Hats off to you Archie
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madcurl Member
Posts: 21401 From: In a Van down by the Kern River Registered: Jul 2003
I'm pretty sure that there is no set price on what this one off will end up costing. To many unknown factors to give a firm quote. I think it's one of those builds where if you have to ask how much..............you can't afford it.
This is just my opinion, I have been wrong.
As I said, it was just out of curiousity. I understand that this is probably a "by the hour" type job as opposed to a chop top or V8 swap where there's actually a fairly set rate. I just thought it might be interesting to see how much money gets tied up in something like this. I know someone who put a rebody kit on a VW Beetle years ago (I know it's not the same thing) and I know how much money he had invested in the labor/parts (not counting the larger motor and the price of the kit itself. I think it's kind of neat to sort of compare that kind of stuff. If the price is a touchy subject, I understand. And, no. I couldn't afford it. I can't even afford one of Archies chops or V8s (although those are on my wish list if I ever had the money).
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Oct 21st, 2008
Fiero2m8 Member
Posts: 1928 From: Niagara, Ontario, Canada Registered: Feb 2006
BTW - Ultimate Cars TV show is airing an episode called "Supercars" (2004) featuring the Lamborghini Miura as #2 in their countdown of the top 5 all time supercars... It's on the Discovery channel in Canada tonight.
Since my last report, we've dedicated a lot of labor to address issues & in fitting the center body section of this car & working on getting the doors to fit right.
We've had the center body section on & off the chassis about 5 times while fiberglassing inside & out.
We've modified the rocker panels to bring the front end up & under a bit to make it more accurate.
We've built up the lip that the windshiel will sit on the make it wider & thicker.
We've glued the inner & outer halves of the doors together & finalized the hinges.
We've modified the outside & front side of the "B" pillars so that they match up with the door better.
Some of these pictures should help.
Here we've just put it on the lift to begin work on the center body section. Note, if you can, how the rocker panel is wider (taller) towards the front than at the back.
Here you can see the beginning of the "B" pillar work....
Fitting the windshield, note the narrow edge around the windshield, we're going to make it wider.
Also working on the door jambs....
Here we've done the cuts on the rocker panel & have put the 1st layer of finberglass on the area where we cut it.....
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
keep up the good work. I will be watching this post till its finish. I also don't know if this was asked but what kind of bill will a build like this have along with it. i am sure i don't want to know tho.
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bubbajoexxx Member
Posts: 1630 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Aug 2003
dam nice job Archie you absolutly amaze me some times with your attention to detail on fitting glass together corectly keep up the great work this is one for the books keep us posted this is realy becomming my fav post
Archie reads before posting, if that question about $??,???.00 were to be answered, it already would be. If his cost to service were out of line this thread wouldn't exist. @Archie: There used to be an company in Wheat Ridge CO that did a pseudo replicar of a late '55 Mondial. They were called Kendrick (the owner last name) Industries, their project was named the Mondrea. It was, IMHO, a voluptious, "Drop Dead Gorgeous" roadster designed to fit a VW chassis. If you need to add anything to your stable of product, please look it up. This was marketed when 'Kit Car Magazine' was still printed on news print. The car was produced between '83 & '85. There was also a tube Chassis version for front engine FoMoCo running gear. When I called them some 8-10 years ago the bucks were for sale but w/my kids entering college, and my having NO experience in glasswork, I passed on the opportunity, They may still be around. If any members are mag. collectors perhaps some photos could surface?
Very good job !! no half work. With what did you glue the door halfs together? Epoxy or what? It doesn't look like normal resin and glassfiber.. on my Murena the front bumper and rear are 3 glasfiber parts also gluded together but no idea with what kind of stuff this is done best. I would have thought that it was best done with glasfiber and resin.
Cheers, Theo
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Nov 23rd, 2008
Fierology Member
Posts: 1195 From: Eastern Tennessee Registered: Dec 2006
This kit looks wicked! This has got to be one of the best looking rebodies for a fiero I've ever seen. Mabey top three, along side the Pantera and the Reventon. Archie, is the drivetrain going to be longitudinal or transverse? I think it should be length wise to be closer to the original. Just my .02 Cents. Nice work!
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
This kit looks wicked! This has got to be one of the best looking rebodies for a fiero I've ever seen. Mabey top three, along side the Pantera and the Reventon. Archie, is the drivetrain going to be longitudinal or transverse? I think it should be length wise to be closer to the original. Just my .02 Cents. Nice work!
This one will be a transverse LS3 with a 6 speed. Actually the original car is also a Transverse driveline.
Archie
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Fierology Member
Posts: 1195 From: Eastern Tennessee Registered: Dec 2006
Let's see if I can show you the highlights of everything we've been working on.
We did some basic fitting of the seats into the car..... I'll have more detailed pics later.
We also are working on fitting the rear bumper/grill into the car...
Whenever we're working on one of these projects, we usually are working on 2 or 3 different parts of the car at the same time.
Same thing goes for this car......
We started working on installing the nose grill.......
That's when we noticed that the grill opening in the nose was for a standard Miura......
See the pointed ends on either end of the grill opening?
Then notice how the grill frame insert is rounded on the ends, like the SV opening is....
The ogiginal parking lights we had we not going to work with that grill insert so the owner of the car quickly found some RAV-4 lights on EBay that are going to work out good.
So to make all that fit, it's going to take some cutting & fiberglassing...........
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Archie Member
Posts: 9436 From: Las Vegas, NV Registered: Dec 1999
Here Kris has done some cutting & fitting of the grill instert into the grill opening....
Now that we know it's going to work, it's time to make the opening around the grill insert look like it was an exact fit.
In the meantime we've also been working on the door latches....
Every once in a while you gotta step back & see where you are. Here the front clip is off for glassing the nose area, the doors are open while we work on the latches & the rear clip is open as we start working on the rear clip latches.
The grill opening looks a lot better when the front clip is right side up & back on the car....
And finally, few in-process pics of the rear clip latches.....
Archie
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Dec 28th, 2008
PaulJK Member
Posts: 6638 From: Los Angeles Registered: Oct 2001