Well like the subject says, I am wondering what the best bang for the buck HID headlight conversion is for the Fiero. Most of the stuff I found searching took me to closed eBay bids, or completely confused me. I know that they are illegal but from what i gather it seems to follow the same lines as window tinting, because it doesn't seem that anyone has had any problems just from that, but i am sure depending on the cop and any other things that you could be being pulled over for, they may come into play. I have upgraded from my original headlights to the sylvania silverstars, and while they are moderately better then other brands, they still don't do a very good job lighting the road, especially if there is any other ambient light. On a dark road they are great, until another car is coming the other way or if there are street lights or anything else around they do not seem to light anything at all.

So what I am looking for a decent quality reasonably priced plug and play kit. Any input or suggestions would be appreciated, because I really do not know much about the subject but I am definitely interested in finding out. Thanks everyone.

any of these affordable hid kits you get are going to be very iffy. i got 3 sets off ebay last year for my blazer. traded that. gave one set to merlot for his bday to use on his trailblazer. he had them on there for just a couple days and already one ballast has burnt out. with these affordable, and im sure with any other, you need to have that 12v-14.4v. anything less would cause your ballast to prematurely die. to find out more info and answers to and future Q's you could conjour up, check out www.hidplanet.com that is a very good site to be a part of.

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Why HID? If you are more concerned about low cost and lighting performance rather than bling, the Hella HL79567 available from Susquehanna Motor Sports is an exact (plug & play) replacement for the stock Fiero rectangular sealed beams. They will cost you about $90 a pair (order number H6054A), including the H4 halogen high/low beam bulbs ... a very good value.

See https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/092698.html#p7 for lots more information.

This topic has already been discussed to death on PFF. Search is your friend.

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: Why HID? If you are more concerned about low cost and lighting performance rather than bling, the Hella HL79567 available from Susquehanna Motor Sports is an exact (plug & play) replacement for the stock Fiero rectangular sealed beams. They will cost you about $90 a pair (order number H6054A), including the H4 halogen high/low beam bulbs ... a very good value. See https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/092698.html#p7 for lots more information. This topic has already been discussed to death on PFF. Search is your friend.

Well I am not dead set on HID, but I see a lot of high end cars with lights that really light up the road well and I know those are HID so I thought that would be the best route to go. So this site that you referred me to here I have a couple questions about. What is the difference between HL79567, and the H6054A links? Is it just that the H8054A comes with bulbs, or are they completely different housings? In short what all would I need to purchase to install these? Thank you.

Hella makes a 200mm that is DOT approved and one that is for Europe.

I couldn't figure out which is which and some people like the European version better because the light pattern is different.

I'd call them to check.

Anyway I've been running the DOT version with 100/80 bulbs for two years with no heat or electrical issues. Very bright at night.

quote Originally posted by zmcdonal: What is the difference between HL79567, and the H6054A links?

The HL79567 is one headlight assembly, without a bulb. The H6054A is two headlight assemblies, with two 60/55 watt H4 bulbs. Note that these are ECE, not DOT compliant assemblies, if that is important to you. Hella does make a DOT compliant headlight assembly with the same form factor, but the beam pattern is slightly different.

quote Originally posted by mike-ohio: I've been running the DOT version with 100/80 bulbs for two years ...

FWIW, running 100/80 watt bulbs voids the DOT compliance.

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So what do all the bulb choices mean? This is totally confusing!

quote Originally posted by zmcdonal: So what do all the bulb choices mean? This is totally confusing!

If you'd like more information on the different choices of bulbs, go to the following url.
http://www.rallylights.com/...lt.aspx?CategoryID=6

Basically you have a choice of bulb color, and bulb wattage.
A 65/55 bulb means that the bulb is a 65 watt High beam and a 55 watt Low beam.
I bought a set of the Hella conversion light that you are discussing here, and I think they are great.
If I get another Fiero, swapping out the stock headlights for a set of Hella conversion lamps will be the first thing I do. The Hella's are much brighter that the stock units and the patten of light that they produce puts more light on the road where you need it. I got the Hellas with the optional Optilux 65/55 yellow bulbs. They have a slight yellow tint to the bulb and that makes them work better in fog or rain or snow. The yellow light doesn't get scattered back into the driver's eyes, so it make it easier to see the road.

Give the guys at Susquehanna a call. I'm sure that they will be answer any and all of your question.

I hope this proves helpful.

~Bob

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quote Originally posted by zmcdonal: So what do all the bulb choices mean? This is totally confusing!

The Hella headlight assemblies we're discussing are designed to use a 60/55 watt H4 halogen bulb. Anything else is overkill, IMHO, and probably voids the DOT/ECE certifications. The 60/55 watt bulbs provide plenty of light. From the link I posted above:

Here is a baseline low beam photo for comparison ... a single Fiero OEM Delco H6054 headlight, a rectangular 65/35 watt (h/l) halogen sealed beam lamp (rated ~800 lumens). Yes, I realize that it's aimed too high:




Here is a comparison photo of the low beam pattern of a single Hella HL79567/H6054A headlight fitted with the standard 60/55 watt H4 halogen bulb (~1200 lumens), taken under identical conditions and properly aimed:




I highly recommend that you start with the standard 60/55 watt H4 halogen bulb. You can always experiment with other H4 bulbs later.

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I used the H6054A on my Fiero, and absolutely loved the pattern of the low beam. Very distinct cutoff and lighting up the side of the road (as you can see in the pics). I used a 100/55 bulb. Honestly, with the superior pattern, I really don't understand why they aren't DOT certified. Much less glare to oncoming drivers when on low beam. Much better in foggy conditions.

so its dounding like you scrapped the HID idea

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First LX9 Fiero GT, 1987

quote Originally posted by dsnover: I used the H6054A on my Fiero, and absolutely loved the pattern of the low beam. Very distinct cutoff and lighting up the side of the road (as you can see in the pics). I used a 100/55 bulb. Honestly, with the superior pattern, I really don't understand why they aren't DOT certified. Much less glare to oncoming drivers when on low beam. Much better in foggy conditions.

The reason the European lights don't have DOT certification is that DOT requires that some of the bulbs light be focused upward and to the right to illuminate road signs. The European version of the lights do not focus any of their light up and to the right because in Europe all over head road signs have their own lights to illuminate them. (Required by law.)

~Bob
edited for typos. Duh!

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quote Originally posted by dsnover: Honestly, with the superior pattern, I really don't understand why they aren't DOT certified.

The DOT standards don't allow the beam to sweep upwards forever to the right, and instead requires a flat topped beam to the right, even thought it may be slightly higher than the left. Next, I'll repeat that your 100 watt high beam would void any DOT certification that it may otherwise have carried. Both ECE and DOT standards place upper limits on the amount of light directed upward, to the sides of the road, and near the front of the car.

quote Originally posted by FieroBobo: The reason the European lights don't have DOT certification is that DOT requires that some of the bulbs light be focused upward and to the right to illuminate road signs. The European version of the lights do not focus any of their light up and to the right because in Europe all over head road signs have their own lights to illuminate them. (Required by law.)

You're correct as far as you go, but those aren't the only differences between the DOT and ECE standards. While rare, there are a few headlights that meet a new "unified" standard that satisfies both DOT and ECE. I think the Hella 90mm HID low beam headlight module is among them.

Sad to say, the major function of many of the competing regional standards these days is to act as a trade barrier. They make it more expensive for a manufacturers to build cars, for example, for several different export markets.

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you can do what I did. Get a cheap plastic drop in housing that uses a replacement bulb. Get any type of car that has bi-xenon headlights and do a retrofit. Meaning you mount the DOT aproved headlight inside your housing. This is the legal way to do it and you wont be blinding anybody and you will keep your high beams. Search google and you will find plenty of how-tos on this. Very easy. The best ones to use are E55 benz projectors. Or land rovers work well too. You will have about 500 into the project but the results are amazing when the sun goes down and no getting pulled over and fix it tickets or blinding oncoming traffic.

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So my parents want to know what I want for Christmas and I have no ideas so I was considering asking for this headlight kit, but I would have to decide which bulbs I want. So this is an exact plug and play kit correct? What is the difference between the Hella Hologen and the Hella Xenon? Do they just last longer? It seems to me that best ones to buy would be the H6054B 100/55W Halogen, I know that the 100w high beams would be illegal, but seriously who uses their high beams when there are other cars around. So are these kits DOT approved? What is the highest wattage light that would be DOT approved, or at least not obviously illegal, I want them bright but I also do not want any issues with law enforcement. Sorry for all the questions but it is hard to figure out what exactly I buying and what is best for what I am looking for.

Also I forgot to ask, would there be a big difference between these and the Sylvania Silverstars that i currently have?

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Marvin you should post a link to that big thread on HIDs that you headed up a while ago...

Does anyone else think that the retainer springs in the Fiero are a PITA?

I think a member here named Oslo? was offering a full plug and play HID kit for our cars for something like $125-145. Search HID and Oslo it should turn up and Im sure he is still offering them. I almost bought a set by the way, still might when money gets looser.

-Joe

The Fiero sealed beam headlights are already Halogen. The pattern is standard American D.O.T. so what are we gaining by going with the HID headlights and still trying to be road legal?

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quote Originally posted by zmcdonal: Also I forgot to ask, would there be a big difference between these and the Sylvania Silverstars that i currently have?

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quote Originally posted by Marvin McInnis: The Hella headlight assemblies we're discussing are designed to use a 60/55 watt H4 halogen bulb. Anything else is overkill, IMHO, and probably voids the DOT/ECE certifications. The 60/55 watt bulbs provide plenty of light. From the link I posted above: Here is a baseline low beam photo for comparison ... a single Fiero OEM Delco H6054 headlight, a rectangular 65/35 watt (h/l) halogen sealed beam lamp (rated ~800 lumens). Yes, I realize that it's aimed too high: Here is a comparison photo of the low beam pattern of a single Hella HL79567/H6054A headlight fitted with the standard 60/55 watt H4 halogen bulb (~1200 lumens), taken under identical conditions and properly aimed: I highly recommend that you start with the standard 60/55 watt H4 halogen bulb. You can always experiment with other H4 bulbs later.

That is an amazing difference! Do you have any problem seeing the road signs at night?