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Carburated 2.8 questions? by katatak
Started on: 12-03-2008 08:12 PM
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Report this Post12-03-2008 08:12 PM Click Here to See the Profile for katatakSend a Private Message to katatakDirect Link to This Post
Looking for information on installing a carb on the 2.8. I see that Summit offers an Edlebrok lower and upper - install instructions say for "longitudinal engines". It looks like to me that it would tilt the carb to one side.

Is there another manifold choice?

Can a "wedged" spacer be either pruchased or made for the Edlebrok setup?

What size carb? - there are 2 upper manifold available - 1 for the 2 bbl and 1 for the 4 bbl.

Does this allow for the elimination of all the sensors and if so, how is timing and advance taken care of without the ECM?

I am thinking if I went 4 bbl, I would have to go 500cfm or less!

I tried a few searches: Carburated 2.8, 2.8 Carburated, 2.8 4 barrel, 2.8 4 bbl, etc. no results. I am sure that somebody has done this. I am curious as to what the pro's and con's are (will it pass emissions mainly?). I'm an old school hot rod guy and prefer to tune a carburated engine with electronics limted to spark.

Anyone have any ideas, links, etc.? any and all feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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Report this Post12-03-2008 08:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierosoundClick Here to visit fierosound's HomePageSend a Private Message to fierosoundDirect Link to This Post
Look here: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...040710-1-037964.html

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Originally posted by fierosound:

Look here: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...040710-1-037964.html



Thanks Fierosound - just gotta know how to phrase the search I guess....

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Report this Post12-04-2008 07:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for OreifClick Here to visit Oreif's HomePageSend a Private Message to OreifDirect Link to This Post
Doing a search for "Arns85GT carb" or "Oreif carb" will get you a large amount of threads on carbing a V-6 as well as how to optimize (hot rod) a carb'd V-6 for more power.

To answer your questions:

Offenhauser use to make an intake. Occassionally these show up on Ebay or the S-10 truck forums. The Edelbrock is still made and sold thru places like Jegs and Summitt Racing.

You can have a wedge made, But in reality it really doesn't matter as it has minimal effect on how the engine runs.

The carb to use is either the Holley 500 cfm 2bbl or the Holley 390 cfm 4-bbl. There is a 350 cfm 2bbl as well, But the 500 cfm 2-bbl works a little better.

Yes, It eliminates all engine ECM sensors. It is best to leave the ECM in the car (just remove the check engine light bulb out of the dash) because it controls the fuel pump safety feature. (If in an accident it will shut off the fuel pump) . Side note, You will need to either use a feedback style regulator or use the 4-cyl Fiero fuel pump and a regular regulator for the fuel pressure. Carb's need 4psi to 8psi. The V-6 fuel pump is around 45psi and the 4-cyl version is only 12 psi.

For the ignition you need a distributor from and 85 or earlier S-10 pick-up truck with the 2.8L V-6. These have the vacuum/mechanical advance.

The Holley 390 cfm 4-bbl with electronic choke is the recommended 4-bbl carb for use on a 2.8L/3.1L/3.4L with the Edelbrock intake.

Generally, a carb'd engine will NOT pass emission testing at the mid-80's standards. If you want to make it pass, You will need to go with the 2-bbl as the 2-bbl intake riser allows for an EGR but the 4-bbl does not. The exhaust has to have a catalytic converter. You will also need to lean out the carb and retard the timing a little prior to testing. It might just pass, But I don't know anyone who has tried, let alone passed, with a carb'd engine.

Check your local and state EPA laws. Some states allow you to classify the car as a "Classic" and you can get an exemption from emission testing for the car.

The pro's and con's are the same as any carb vs. EFI engines. There are many heated debates on those points both on here and other forums.

In the end, It all comes down to what you want. (personal preference). If you are an "old school" hot rodder like myself, You will find that the little V-6 can be a fun engine to play with. There are some decent performance parts like cams and headers for them as well as a roots style supercharger for use with either a carb or TBI injection. The 3.4L I built had the heads ported, polished, and shaved, a large cam, roller tipper rockers, the 390 cfm 4-bbl carb on the Edelbrock intake and it peaked at around 230hp at the crank. On a 2.8L if the same work is done it will be around 210hp.

Personally I prefer a carb'd engine in my Fiero. I had an "old school" hot rodded 3.4L with a carb then later swapped to a V-8 with a carb. In 5 years of running a carb'd engine in my Fiero I have never had any issues with it and enjoy driving it often.


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Report this Post12-04-2008 02:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Arns85GTSend a Private Message to Arns85GTDirect Link to This Post
Carbing the 2.8 has its own challenges. Unlike the 3.4 the displacement is small enough to cause some metering problems.

This thread has some tips I found to make it run like a top https://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...070315-2-074542.html

You will want the 350 or 390 cfm carbs. I found the 350 2 barrel worked very smoothly but I ended up with the 8007 model 390 cfm.

I went with the standard choke because I am an old school guy and I like to have my own choke.

Pay careful attention to the print in the thread in yellow. It shows how you set up the accelerator pump circuit to go with the small 173 ci capacity of the 2.8.

As for the intakes, the only problem with the Edelbrock is the deck height clearance issue. You will definitely need a scoop because your air breather will not clear the deck lid.

With the Offenhauser intake, it is much lower profile and will clear a stock lid. Given the deck lid mods I would wait for an Offenhauser to show up if I was doing it again.

The bogging caused by the accelerator pump really affected my dyno runs. I have not done a dyno since modding the accelerator pump but I can tell you the difference is night and day on the low end response.

Good luck on it. And ignore the nay sayers

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Report this Post12-04-2008 07:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for katatakSend a Private Message to katatakDirect Link to This Post
Oreif, Arns....

Thanks guys for the tips. I will read all the threads as I have made the decision to Carb my 86. I have all the parts except the distributor and I am not in a big rush so I may take the time to see if I can find the Offenhauser intake. If I can't find one in the next month or two, I will use the Edlebrock. I do not have a problem putting on a scoop. I also picked up a 3.4 the other day and it will probably be a "project" motor. I am very interested in seeing what can be done with the V6. I hope I can impose upon you in the near future as I am sure I will have a million questions. Thanks again.

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