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poly vs aluminum cradle bushings by hookdonspeed
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Report this Post01-01-2009 03:34 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hookdonspeedClick Here to visit hookdonspeed's HomePageSend a Private Message to hookdonspeedDirect Link to This Post
for a semi daily driver with minor mods, future 3800sc swap planed... nothing overboard... what is the major diffrence between the 2?
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Report this Post01-01-2009 04:08 PM Click Here to See the Profile for topher_timeSend a Private Message to topher_timeDirect Link to This Post
Poly is more flexible than aluminium. Though you won't feel it.
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Report this Post01-01-2009 07:14 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Chicken McNizzleClick Here to visit Chicken McNizzle's HomePageSend a Private Message to Chicken McNizzleDirect Link to This Post
If you go aluminum, you will never question your decision... solid mounted, just like the 88
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What's the best way to remove the stock bushings?
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Report this Post01-01-2009 11:44 PM Click Here to See the Profile for mtownfieroSend a Private Message to mtownfieroDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Thor 18:

What's the best way to remove the stock bushings?


Use a torch and push the rubber out with a screwdriver. It gets messy
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Use a torch and push the rubber out with a screwdriver. It gets messy


While its on fire? or let it cool first?
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I drove one with the aluminum cradle bushings once, it gave out a peculiar *doink* sound, similar to an aluminum bat hitting a ball when the suspension hit on steep speed bumps or pot holes and the like. The Urethane bushings, in my opinion, are a very acceptable choice for street use (or even track use).
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Report this Post01-02-2009 12:57 AM Click Here to See the Profile for mike.callSend a Private Message to mike.callDirect Link to This Post
I have Rodney's aluminum bushings and they are great!! No funny noises or any of that, and you would never realize how much your rear end moves around until you ride in one with solid bushings.

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What's the best way to remove the stock bushings?


Use a torch to heat up the metal sleeve around the bushing. As the metal sleeve expands, it will loosen its grip on the rubber bushing. While the sleeve is hot, push the bushing out with a screwdriver or something similar. It's safer than burning away the rubber. Whichever method you decide to use, be sure to keep a fire extinguisher handy just in case.
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hole saws work great for bushing removal. A whole lot less messy, and just as effective.
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Report this Post01-02-2009 01:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hookdonspeedClick Here to visit hookdonspeed's HomePageSend a Private Message to hookdonspeedDirect Link to This Post
wouldnt you still need to get the rest of the rubber out? or does that then peal away nicely?
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Report this Post01-02-2009 03:43 PM Click Here to See the Profile for bmwguruClick Here to visit bmwguru's HomePageSend a Private Message to bmwguruDirect Link to This Post
All three of my Fieros are solid mounted and the fourth will be too. No regrets. I used a drill to get the rubber out and then a wire brush on a drill to clean the sleeve. No torch because I didn't feel like smelling burnt rubber all day.
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Report this Post01-02-2009 03:52 PM Click Here to See the Profile for hookdonspeedClick Here to visit hookdonspeed's HomePageSend a Private Message to hookdonspeedDirect Link to This Post
i love the smell of burnt rubber in the morning..
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Report this Post01-02-2009 10:49 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Dennis LaGruaSend a Private Message to Dennis LaGruaDirect Link to This Post
Have had good luck with poly cradle bushings. They are far less expensive than all aluminum bushings, look good and they do the job. To remove the old bushings from the sleeves, I heat up the shells then hit the bushings out with a hammer. One shot and they are out.

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Report this Post01-03-2009 09:59 AM Click Here to See the Profile for WillSend a Private Message to WillDirect Link to This Post
Heating the shell actually vaporizes the adhesive and melts a layer of rubber on the outside of the bushing. Once that happens, the bushing can be pushed out, whole and intact, with a piece of pipe. The inside of the sleeve should be cleaned with a rotary wire brush on a drill, and the whole sleeve painted inside and out before the bushings are installed.

I'm not sure if Rodney's bushings go inside the sleeve or not, but any aluminum-steel interface should be anti-seized.
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Originally posted by Thor 18:

What's the best way to remove the stock bushings?

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/088624.html Try this. No fire, very little smoke or odor
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Report this Post01-03-2009 10:08 AM Click Here to See the Profile for bmwguruClick Here to visit bmwguru's HomePageSend a Private Message to bmwguruDirect Link to This Post
To install the aluminum bushings, I kept the bushings overnight in the freezer. They went right in the next day with a light hit from a soft faced dead blow.
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Report this Post01-03-2009 01:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for TanlratSend a Private Message to TanlratDirect Link to This Post
For replacement use poly, poly is 100% better than rubber on all applications, but you pay for it in more vibration and ride smoothness when used to replace all the rubber bushings in the suspension.

For the driving enthusiast use the aluminum bushings, stops the drivetrain from affecting the rear suspension. poly and rubber allow the cradle to twist and roll during corning, acceleration and deceleration. That is why GM got rid of the rubber cradle bushings on the 88.

 
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Originally posted by 85GT3.4Track4spdCar:

I drove one with the aluminum cradle bushings once, it gave out a peculiar *doink* sound, similar to an aluminum bat hitting a ball when the suspension hit on steep speed bumps or pot holes and the like. The Urethane bushings, in my opinion, are a very acceptable choice for street use (or even track use).


Mine makes that sound but it is from the engine, tranny mounts and the dogbone being worn out. Not replacing mine since I'm saving up for an engine swap.

Carl
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