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How do these wires connect to the engine block and starter? by MooCow
Started on: 02-28-2009 05:32 PM
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Report this Post02-28-2009 05:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MooCowSend a Private Message to MooCowDirect Link to This Post
I have forgotten how the starter went back on. I read the Hayes book, but only tells me the three connections, not which color wire goes where. So below are two pics of the starter and the wires, which wires go to which connection on the starter





Now onto a little more wiring issues. When I was taking my harness off my old 86 GT I broke a connection. Not a huge deal as I can repair it, but now that I have my newer engine here, I don't see where this connection goes. I am pretty sure that my engine if from an 87-88 Fiero. Below are two pictures of the wires in question. I am waiting for my Temp gauge sensor to come in, but have to possible connections here. So where do the the two green wires connect to?





I am pretty close to being able to finally connect the trans back together, and finally get the engine put in the car

Let me know if you have any questions and I can try to explain better.

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Report this Post02-28-2009 06:48 PM Click Here to See the Profile for DodgerunnerClick Here to visit Dodgerunner's HomePageSend a Private Message to DodgerunnerDirect Link to This Post
The two wires should be for the temp sender/switch.
The temp lamp switch is usually the Dk Green, the gauge is usually Dk Green/Wht.

On the starter the battery cable goes to the top stud of the starter solenoid. The bottom large stud should connect the starter flat lead. The small stud is from the key switch.
didn't think there are normally two small studs since the other would be for ground and is normally internal to the solenoid. Was that a starter that came from the original engine? There are usually only two connection points on the starter, unless the 87-88 starters where different.

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Report this Post02-28-2009 06:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for rpoZ25Send a Private Message to rpoZ25Direct Link to This Post
Two small studs on starter are R and S terminals. S is the starter (solenoid) wire from key switch. R is not normally used on newer cars. The starter will apply 12v to the R terminal during cranking. Was used on older cars to bypass ign coil ballast resister, excite alt, etc during starting..
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Report this Post02-28-2009 06:59 PM Click Here to See the Profile for RaydarSend a Private Message to RaydarDirect Link to This Post
On the pic below, The flat "ring" terminal with the black and brown wires is connected to the front (firewall side) cylinder head. I don't remember there being two of those terminals, but it looks like there are two of them in the pic. If it's the same type terminal (ring terminal with star washer built in) it bolts to the end of the head as well.


In the second pic, the purple wire goes where you've got it.
The large red battery cable connects to the big nut on the top terminal of the solenoid.
The flat copper band that comes out of the top of the motor is screwed to the solenoid. See the terminal nearest that band? (Directly opposite the nut where the red cable connects.)
There should be a screw that goes through the loop at the end of the band, into that terminal.


The temperature sensor has two connections. One for the gauge and one for the warning light.
BOTH green wires connect to it.

If the gauge doesn't work when the engine is warm, you've got them backwards.

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Report this Post03-02-2009 09:56 AM Click Here to See the Profile for MooCowSend a Private Message to MooCowDirect Link to This Post
Okay still a little confused, so I labeled the pictures. Can you tell me what numbers connect to what letters Also on the starter how does the little metal clip connect to the starter? I am talking about the copper looking clip that is bent a little. I see that it should connect, but assume I am missing the bolt that would hold it on. I believe this starter came off of an 87.





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Report this Post03-02-2009 11:29 AM Click Here to See the Profile for Emc209iSend a Private Message to Emc209iDirect Link to This Post
1 & 2: Are grounds for the harness, and normally go on the transmission bell housing stud. Find some place on the block to ground them if you don't want them going to the transmission.

C: is not used.

A: Is not used.

B: Power feed to starter. You'll connect a large gauge red wire here, it will look just like the large gauge wire that's on the back of your alternator.

The Purple and orange wire is the energizer for the starter, which looks like you've already figured out.
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Report this Post03-02-2009 03:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for SeafordMXSend a Private Message to SeafordMXDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by Emc209i:

1 & 2: Are grounds for the harness, and normally go on the transmission bell housing stud. Find some place on the block to ground them if you don't want them going to the transmission.

C: is not used.



Actually, the lead coming out of the starter should be attached to terminal 'C'. It looks like it is disconnected in that picture.
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Report this Post03-02-2009 04:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for MooCowSend a Private Message to MooCowDirect Link to This Post
Thanks everyone. Think I am all set now

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Report this Post03-02-2009 05:07 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Emc209iSend a Private Message to Emc209iDirect Link to This Post
 
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Originally posted by SeafordMX:
Actually, the lead coming out of the starter should be attached to terminal 'C'. It looks like it is disconnected in that picture.


Right you are. I didn't notice the lead was disconnected (and should be reconnected), but there shouldn't be any connection from the harness to terminal C.
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Report this Post03-02-2009 05:29 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Lou6t4gtoSend a Private Message to Lou6t4gtoDirect Link to This Post
Large red from battery to the large lug on the solenoid. Purple goes to "S" on solenoid (start). the other wires in the different picture with the large "Loops" either go on a head "stud" OR the stud that goes throught the trans bell housing into the block (they are grounds)
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