Yes, you did, jscott1, and I did as well and I actually showed him how to do it in a much earlier post. The link I provided includes the web electric box if you take a look at my first post in this thread. So it looks like you were just repeating the information that I had already provided. Talk about moot points my friend. Yeesh!!!!
I am guessing you didn't even read my first post, eh. That's Canadian for, huh lol I think the Fiero is probably exempt as it can be considered to be a classic.
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
I am guessing you didn't even read my first post, eh. That's Canadian for, huh lol
Sorry if I upset you...no I didn't see that you had already posted the link to the web electric. Feel free to post away, I was just trying to be helpful.
I can't believe I used that word wrong...incorrect use of similar sounding words is a pet peeve of mine too.
Feel free to get the last point...I just wanted to point out that I know the point is Moot not mute. I had at least 2 brain f@rts in this thread.
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spark1 Member
Posts: 11159 From: Benton County, OR Registered: Dec 2002
No problem, jscott1, I don't get upset that easy. I was just trying to help too and I'm an old guy so getting upset takes way too much energy. I think perhaps Cdewolfe is over reacting to the imminent law change in Nova Scotia. Most cops have better things to do than to hassle us Fiero owners anyways. I drive mine like an old guy and I can't even remember the last time I got pulled over in it.
Nope, I didn't, spark1. Unlike some people on here I actually try and do some research and think before I start typing
Cheers to you both!
Sidecar 2M6 SE
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
I had that idea about the flush mounts. My insurance company says no, as it's a "modification".
First off, I'd suggest loking for a new insurance company. Try finding the equivalant of "Lant" insurance. The have two claases, custom & Silver wheels insurance. They won't have any issue with modding the car. I'd ask your insurance company what's the difference between upgrading & modifying.
Another option would be to change you indicator to a two way bulb. I've actualy have three way on my fiero (parking light, fog light & indicator) You could set up one bulb to be your parking/indicator light and the other your DRL.
Since they made it a law for any vehicle in canada to have DRL's sometime back, any vehicle older then the law was exempt from it. There was no specific light that had to be a DRL also, C5 corvettes and chrysler minivans used the front parking light at it's DRL So does this mean all those vehicles will need some kit to make their headlight DRL's then? If they really want to enforce this law probably atleast 50% of the vehicles on the road will fail. I'd drive the car the way it is and just wait til some rookie cop pulls you over. Actually get a written note from your insurance company saying you are not allowed to "modify" your headlights, show the officer the letter & tell him you tried to comply with the new law, but your insurance company wouldn't cover you then. He can send the ticket to your insurance company.
A friend of mine sent an e-mail to find out what would happen to older cars with pop up headlights, they said if your car has pop up headlights you have to drive with your parking lights on. Thats what I'll be doing anyway, we will see how it goes this summer.....
Its been done here in the U.S. Seat belts were not required before Congress enacted a law in the early '60s. The cars delivered without them had to be retrofitted at the owner's expense. "They" can make a law to do ANYTHING!
Seat belts are not required on any car in the US before the model year 1966, unless that car already had them. I believe Oldsmobile was 1st.
I think you'll be fine Colin. I doubt if the cops would even pull you over. I see cars going all the time with no lights on at all in the day time, then there are those few that drive at night with just the DRL's, or the high beams on all the time, those ones are nice too... I wouldn't worry about it, I'm not. I plan to have my car out this summer, just a few things left to finish on the 3800SC swap.
How can they make you retrofit a car that never had DRL's? ...
Here in Indiana, in the 1960's, they passed a law requiring a single "running light" to be added to the front of every vehicle. It looked like a two tone easter egg hanging off the center of the grill. Most people ignored it and the law went away after a couple of years.
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After consideration and digging around in the Canadian specs for DRLs, I've ordered the webelectric solution.
Noodle: I just had a mountie friend tell me he'd ticket me for running with the parking lights. YMMV. Good luck.
The car is still in storage (waiting for the salt to wash off the roads and the inevitible April snow storm), but as soon as the kit arrives I will install it and let y'all know how it goes.
Colin
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jscott1 Member
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A friend of mine sent an e-mail to find out what would happen to older cars with pop up headlights, they said if your car has pop up headlights you have to drive with your parking lights on. Thats what I'll be doing anyway, we will see how it goes this summer.....
What is the rationale for not allowing popup headlights up during the day? Because it's ugly?
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Posts: 12956 From: Russell, KS USA Registered: Apr 2002
Care to cite the law requiring me to retrofit seat belts in an otherwise stock '62 chevy pickup?
John Stricker
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Originally posted by JohnF:
Its been done here in the U.S. Seat belts were not required before Congress enacted a law in the early '60s. The cars delivered without them had to be retrofitted at the owner's expense. "They" can make a law to do ANYTHING!
Originally posted by Cdewolfe: As of April 13, Nova Scotia requires vehicles without Daytime Running Lights to have their headlights on at all times. Canadian federal law requires that pop-up headlights are *down* during daylight hours except for rain
I emailed them a while ago about this. My argument that is if the Firebirds & Miatas can use their marker lights as DRLs, than so can Fieros. Here's what I got for a reply:
The amendment to the motor vehicle act states:
174A (1) Notwithstanding Section 174, every motor vehicle equipped with one or more headlamps must be equipped with lighted daytime running lights or lighted headlamps at all times while being operated upon a highway within the Province.
Parking lights are also known as driving lights or running lights, and may or may not be automatic. As long as these lights are active (either automatically or manually) while you drive, and are sufficiently bright enough to meet Transport Canada's Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108, you'll be fine.
Parking lights are also known as driving lights or running lights, and may or may not be automatic. As long as these lights are active (either automatically or manually) while you drive, and are sufficiently bright enough to meet Transport Canada's Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108, you'll be fine.
Michael Balsom Vehicle Standards Engineer
That answers it. BUT as I said - you're still going to have some Cop who WILL ticket you because in HIS opinion "parking lights aren't DLR's". You'll then have to take the ticket to court to get a Judge to decide who interpretation is right. THEN it will be settled.
Originally posted by fierosound: That answers it. BUT as I said - you're still going to have some Cop who WILL ticket you because in HIS opinion "parking lights aren't DLR's". You'll then have to take the ticket to court to get a Judge to decide who interpretation is right. THEN it will be settled.
Well technically 'parking lights' are not DRL's as they are not bright enough - you will have to modify (buy the kit) to convert your turn lamps into DRL's.
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Well technically 'parking lights' are not DRL's as they are not bright enough - you will have to modify (buy the kit) to convert your turn lamps into DRL's.
Michael Balsom says they're adequate.
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Here's what I got for a reply:
Parking lights are also known as driving lights or running lights, and may or may not be automatic. As long as these lights are active (either automatically or manually) while you drive, and are sufficiently bright enough to meet Transport Canada's Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108, you'll be fine.
Michael Balsom Vehicle Standards Engineer
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jscott1 Member
Posts: 21676 From: Houston, TX , USA Registered: Dec 2001
He said that "As long as these lights are active (either automatically or manually) while you drive, and are sufficiently bright enough to meet Transport Canada's Motor Vehicle Safety Standard 108, you'll be fine."
There are two conditions, your parking lights would have to be on, AND they would have to be sufficiently bright to meet Safety standard 108.
How do you know that parking lights will meet safety standard 108? I would be willing to bet they don't, as the OEM does not use parking lights, but the turn signal filaments which are at least twice as bright.
(47) Subject to subsection (47.1), a daytime running lamp that is not optically combined with another lamp or is optically combined with a lamp, other than a front fog lamp, that is not required by this section shall be designed to conform to SAE Recommended Practice J2087, Daytime Running Lamps for Use on Motor Vehicles (August 1991), including the photometric values set out in Table 2 of this Recommended Practice, except that
(a) the maximum luminous intensity at any test point shall be 3 000 cd;
(b) the lamp is not required to conform to section 6.2 of that Recommended Practice; and
(c) the effective projected luminous lens area of the lamp may be less than 40 cm2.
(47.1) A daytime running lamp that is not optically combined with another lamp may conform to SAE Standard J583, Front Fog Lamps (June 1993), or to sections 3, 4.2, 4.3, 5 and 6 of ECE Regulation No. 19, Uniform Provisions Concerning the Approval of Motor Vehicle Front Fog Lamps, Revision 3 (March 2, 1993).
(47.2) A daytime running lamp that is optically combined with a front turn signal lamp or a parking lamp shall conform to subsection (47).
I jumped to the end of this subject, please forgive me. In Nova Scotia, Canada, as of April 13, 2009, if your car does not have daytime running lights (post 1990) then you are required to drive with your head lights turned on and set at the low beam setting during day lite hours. All cars for some time have had head lights with both high and low beam settings. By the way if anyone cares to know, the fine is $165 canadian, court cost extra. I wouldn't count on any police officer letting you off and the law isn't that hard to understand. If you try to convince the officer that "you didn't understand that" he/she might decide to send you for a rewrite of the driving test to make sure there weren't any other laws you are confused on.
