quote Originally posted by PaulJK: Well, I gotta agree but those of us in the land of fruits and nuts have the State deciding on our engine mods. I think it's a pretty safe bet that the visual part of the 2 year smog check would notice that your manifold wasn't put there by GM ....

I'm saving my pennies ts summer so I can get one. I'll just swap the stock stuff back in for the smog check, doesn't take long. Then go home and put the good stuff back on and forget about it for 2 more years.

Fastback - let me know how it works out for you; I'd LOVE to have a turbo on my 3.4 5 speed ....

who can post some pics, i can email them

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85 GT 3.4
Auto 3.08
14.9 @ 90 1.9 60"

i'd really like to see a dyno of the turbo with the intake

oh to post pics just sign up for www.photobucket.com - its free and easy to use

i can handle pictures

as long as i dont have to resize them

macantley@charter.net

matthew

I have a turbo setup with my long runner intake, but since I never got around to doing any dyno runs with the turbo and the stock intake, a run now would be kind of useless. We have sold, I think at least 5 or 6 to turbo guys, some employing really big TBs too. Maybe one of those folks would post some numbers/charts? I can tell you this, the intake makes for faster throttle response on mine.

quote Originally posted by Francis T: I have a turbo setup with my long runner intake, but since I never got around to doing any dyno runs with the turbo and the stock intake, a run now would be kind of useless. We have sold, I think at least 5 or 6 to turbo guys, some employing really big TBs too. Maybe one of those folks would post some numbers/charts? I can tell you this, the intake makes for faster throttle response on mine.

are you selling them with a chip to tune it? I think I remember you mentioning your son burning a couple chips? if so could he do one for a turbo with your intake?

quote Originally posted by PaulJK: Fastback - let me know how it works out for you; I'd LOVE to have a turbo on my 3.4 5 speed ....

The only thing I'm worried about is the smog guys finding out its not a 2.8, which I doubt will happen unless they for some reason decide to check the casting code on the block. Other than that minor detail, its going to go in looking completely stock. Once it passes, I'll yank the stock intake off and put the hi flow intake on and forget about it until 2007.

Yes, they come with a new chip. Just tell my son what your aplication will be, IE, stock, turbo, NA modified etc. One note on this; we are not looking to do chips as a side thing, we provided them with our manifolds at no extra charge.

I have some pictures of 4 new intakes we just shipped. The latest version has a much nicer looking runner between the TB and plenium with only two seams instead of seven. I'm still inempt at posting pictures here and we haven't put them up on our site yet, so if somebody sends me an e-mail ( rspiderii@aol.com ) I'll send them to you to post here. BTW; two are near-chrome and one is red and one i8s for a firebird with a 5.0 TB.
Thanks
Francis

Shoot 'em to me. I'll post 'em.
I saw the one on 3rd gen. Suhwheeeet!

Here they are. Nice!

Good stuff. Kinda like heroine.....functional and expensive.

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Week and a half!

So the new one is the only one you sell now? I like the new design much better. Hopefully when I do my swap in 6-8 weeks you will still have the 2nd design for the intro price.

Fastback_86 check your PMs

Got it and sent you one back.

you need a new welder

pm sent

So is it true the peak gain on the 3.4 is roughly 15hp/15tq? and at 5000rpms the gain is 35hp/35tq? If this is true is it the same for the new design? Would the straight neck flow better or smoother than the 1st design?

Anyone know what knd of gain one might expect on a 2.8 with moderate mods? How much are you asking for the chrome version with the curved TB pipe? How long would it take to get one?

Go to trueleo.com and you'll find ordering info with pricing, flow charts, dyno results and more. You can also go back a ways in this posting for comments form users.

Anyone ever wander where the big a$$ TB and Trueleo intake went? I you want to know post some pics for me. PLZ!

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Send me your pics at the email addy in my profile. I'll post them for you. It'll be tomorrow (Monday) though.
How's it run?

Sent the pic's to you.

Haven't got the engine in the car yet. Tranny lost 2nd so had to get it repaired. Assembled it with Borg Wagner clutches, high friction band, shift kit new solenoid and new oil pressure switch. This one will be a screamer. Will post dyno results once is running.

Later dudes!

Here's venom's pics. Very nice!

Is that a 5.0 TB?
What else has been done to the engine? Is there a build thread?

I like the red paint.

Edit - I just realized that you haven't installed the fuel rail yet. You'll need to pull the manifold off again to do that. Either that, or you may be able to pull the thermostat housing and wiggle it in.

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quote Originally posted by PaulJK: Well, I gotta agree but those of us in the land of fruits and nuts have the State deciding on our engine mods. I think it's a pretty safe bet that the visual part of the 2 year smog check would notice that your manifold wasn't put there by GM ....

I have had the same concern which is why I will be putting a stock (or at least limited to proven smog compliant modified) 3.4 into my 88 GT. But as Kohburn said... "only takes a half hour to change." So, just keep the original and reinstall when time to do the biannual smog check.

Now, the big question is what other mods can I make and still pass the test. It seem that the computerized F.I. cars will tend to run a cleaner, and as long as they pass the visual inspection, can be cleaned up to meet the current standards.

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FierOmar

The throttle body is from a 96 3.4 DOHC engine. It is 65mm. I adapted the stock TB linkage to it. The intake is there for pic only, it will be removed to install the fuel rail.

I didn't do any build thread. But, here is the whole info on the engine.

Engine has fully ported and polished heads (intake and exhaust) with double valve springs, aluminum retainers, Crane Cams 2030, 5 angle valve job and 1.6 full roller rockers. Lower intake manifold is gasket matched ported and a lot of material removed from inside the runners including the injector lump. Forged pistons and forged aluminum rods. Pistons and rods are balanced with the rest of the rotating assembly. I'm using 17 lb/hr injectors with a Holley fuel pressure regulator, 255 lb/hr fuel pump, high flow fuel filter and custom fuel lines. Jacobs PRO-10 ignition with Ultra coil and Magnecor 10mm race wires. The tranny is fully rebuilt with Borg Wagner clutches, hi-friction band and shift kit. Future plans include using a 125 wet nitrous shot and a full 2.5"exhaust from the Y pipe down.

Let me make the first prediction:

144.7 RWHP.

What needs to be done in order to make that large TB work on this engine? Is it the same set up or will it require further mods? Wouldn't you be better to go with the # 19 injectors rather than the 17's?

Your engine looks awesome man, good work. The trueleo has never looked better.

We will see. I think it will be more. I'm hoping for 160 at the wheels. I will take it to the dyno with the 2.5 exhaust, SAFC2 and use a wideband to fine tune it. I don't slap parts on it and expect miracles. Tunning is the key.

L8tr

quote Originally posted by vEnOm: We will see. I think it will be more. I'm hoping for 160 at the wheels. I will take it to the dyno with the 2.5 exhaust, SAFC2 and use a wideband to fine tune it. I don't slap parts on it and expect miracles. Tunning is the key. L8tr

Your engine looks great but I think 160rwhp with a 2030 cam may be tough. i would have used at least the H260.

Look good. You should keep us updated as you build. I would like to see how a larger (significantly) TB performs with the new manifold.

Best look Trueleo set up I have seen yet. Almost looks remotely not stock

quote Originally posted by Alex4mula: Your engine looks great but I think 160rwhp with a 2030 cam may be tough. i would have used at least the H260.

yeah that sucker runs out of breath at 4500. I made 146.3 rwhp with the 2030 cam. Not bad but that was on a fresh rebuild. On a 100k+ 3.4 with the 260, I made 149.8 but I had the Darrel TB this time and no spiralmax infront of the TB...so maybe he can pull off just over 150...

Venom - are you using higher compression pistons?

I have standard cr pistons. I shaved the block .006 and shaved the heads .006, that should bump the cr up a little. I know this cam is not the best one but I left it in there to see how it performs. I was thinking the Crower Ultra perf. cam will work better with this intake. We will see, let the dyno speak.

l8tr

Should this intake be classified as a Tunnel Ram manifold for desktop dyno purposes? I want to throw some numbers to see how it behaves.

OK, I know I should know how to do it my self, but I don't yet; I made a interesting graph from our dyno results on Matt's stock 3.4 and need someone to put it up here. The text and drawings were done in MS Word. I think you folks will find it very interesting, especially so for those that don't fully understand how to read dyno sheets. If you can get it done, please send me an e-mail at rspiderii@aol.com and I'll send you the file. Thanks in advance to whomever.
BTW: I'm getting closer to posting more pictures on my extractor scoop/hood mod.

quote Originally posted by Chicken McNizzle: you need a new welder

lol or a better grinder?

Question: How thick is that lower plate with the tabs for the bolts? - A few of them look a little "out there" thats all..

Besides that looks really sharp, Cant wait to see it in the bay..

Rob

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