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What are some primers for the bumper covers that won't promote spidercracks? by 30+mpg
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Report this Post06-20-2009 07:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 30+mpgSend a Private Message to 30+mpgDirect Link to This Post
We're talking about the bare bumper covers here.

The paint with the spider cracks has been sanded down to the urethane.

We don't need any info about primer on metal. I'm not repainting the trunk bottom. That's the only metal surface of any size that's visible on the Fiero. Save primering trunk bottoms for another thread.

Won't a hard primer be more prone to cracking when flexed?
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Report this Post06-20-2009 10:16 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tha DriverClick Here to visit Tha Driver's HomePageSend a Private Message to Tha DriverDirect Link to This Post
No primer *promotes* spider cracks. It's just that some are more help in preventing them. PPG epoxy primer is the best. It sticks better than anything else, & it's more flexible than anything else.
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Report this Post06-21-2009 02:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 30+mpgSend a Private Message to 30+mpgDirect Link to This Post
How about 2K urethane based primer? That should work well on a urethane bumper cover.
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I used PPG DPLF epoxy with DPLF401 Catalyst (401 is for flexible bumpers, 402 is not). I then painted with PPG DCC Urethane.

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send the bumber to soda blaster then nice coat of fresh primer and paint.
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Originally posted by 30+mpg:

How about 2K urethane based primer? That should work well on a urethane bumper cover.


Not as good as epoxy. Dosen't stick as well & not as flexible.
Also goes on thicker. Not a big deal if you're sanding it (a lot), but you don't want to build up anything thicker than you have to. The thicker everything is, the eaiser it will crack & chip.
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Report this Post06-21-2009 08:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for 30+mpgSend a Private Message to 30+mpgDirect Link to This Post
 
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mmeyer86gt/gtp:send the bumber to soda blaster then nice coat of fresh primer and paint.


Why should I do that when "The paint with the spider cracks has been sanded down to the urethane."?

I'm going to spray the primer & paint myself and use the $$$'s you would have spent for other things.

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Tha Driver:... PPG epoxy primer is the best. It sticks better than anything else, & it's more flexible than anything else....

You forgot to add:

It's more expensive than anything else.

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From http://www.autobodystore.com/ms7.shtml

"Urethane primer (2K) Urethane primer is the most common primer used in auto body and restoration by far. It has good solids and fills well. It is easy to sand and can provide you with a perfect body when blocked properly. Care should be taken when applying it as to not use too much. It can shrink when applied too heavy. It is the best all around primer for applying over plastic body filler and for surfacing your work. If used properly it provides the proper film thickness under top coats and is the perfect substrate for bs/ss and SS.

Benefits:
- Easy to apply, and sand.
- Applies smooth.
- Fills well with minimum of shrinkage

Disadvantages:
- Contains Isocyanates.
- Should always use an etch primer under it.

Epoxy primer (2K)

Epoxy is a good corrosion fighter. It is has a very sticky resin and will provide good adhesion to MOST substrates. It typically has poor filling and sanding qualities (that sticky resin makes sanding difficult) ....
Perfect for frames and components, radiator supports, items that are sandblasted and you only need to prime and paint. You use it as a non-sanding “primer/sealer” and then paint right over it.

Benefits:

- Good chip resistance (it isn’t as hard as a urethane)....
- Etch primers can skipped because of its excellent adhesion and corrosion properties. (although for maximum corrosion protection apply a wash etch under the epoxy)
- Provides good base under plastic body fillers (skip the etch if you plan on using plastic filler over epoxy)
- Epoxy has no isocyanates .

Disadvantages:

- Poor sanding qualities
- Poor filling"

Etch primer is not required for bumper covers.

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Originally posted by 30+mpg:

You forgot to add:

It's more expensive than anything else.


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Originally posted by 30+mpg:

From http://www.autobodystore.com/ms7.shtml

"Urethane primer (2K) Urethane primer is the most common primer used in auto body and restoration by far. It has good solids and fills well. It is easy to sand and can provide you with a perfect body when blocked properly. Care should be taken when applying it as to not use too much. It can shrink when applied too heavy. It is the best all around primer for applying over plastic body filler and for surfacing your work. If used properly it provides the proper film thickness under top coats and is the perfect substrate for bs/ss and SS.

Benefits:
- Easy to apply, and sand.
- Applies smooth.
- Fills well with minimum of shrinkage

Disadvantages:
- Contains Isocyanates.
- Should always use an etch primer under it.

Epoxy primer (2K)

Epoxy is a good corrosion fighter. It is has a very sticky resin and will provide good adhesion to MOST substrates. It typically has poor filling and sanding qualities (that sticky resin makes sanding difficult) ....
Perfect for frames and components, radiator supports, items that are sandblasted and you only need to prime and paint. You use it as a non-sanding “primer/sealer” and then paint right over it.

Benefits:

- Good chip resistance (it isn’t as hard as a urethane)....
- Etch primers can skipped because of its excellent adhesion and corrosion properties. (although for maximum corrosion protection apply a wash etch under the epoxy)
- Provides good base under plastic body fillers (skip the etch if you plan on using plastic filler over epoxy)
- Epoxy has no isocyanates .

Disadvantages:

- Poor sanding qualities
- Poor filling"

Etch primer is not required for bumper covers.


So it says you use "an etch" primer under the urethane primer. Of course they're talking about metal. They also say that epoxy primer sticks better. They're talking about general paint info too, not specificly PPG.
On body parts, I always (OK usually) sand it (epoxy primer) with 400 wet. Yes, it's a pain (& you have to wait AT LEAST overnight for it to dry enough - better to wait several days), but it gives you the best job. Best adhesion (to both body & paint), best sealing, least shrinking.
If you have MAJOR imperfections, you can use the urethane (2K) type primer OVER the epoxy, &/or use a catalyst-hardened putty. I always prime over all of that with epoxy before painting.
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