time for the car to react.
TPS 0% at 00:00.00 seconds

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0 MPH at .925 seconds

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62 MPH at 5.212 seconds - .925 = 4.287 second

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100 MPH at 10.577 seconds and if you subtract the .925 that would be 9.652 seconds

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120 MPH at 14.577 second - the .925 = 13.765

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No more 3rd gear issue but I did set a VSS code and I can see why it dropped out.

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Cadillac Tech
ASE MASTER TECH since 1988

86 Northstar Fiero
85 RX7 former SCCA car
56 TR3 small mouth 6.0L
Formerly Washougal WA Resident
A.J. Whiteley

[This message has been edited by AJxtcman (edited 04-09-2007).]

I am going to use a G tech Tonight if we do not get any snow. That should back up my readings. LOL

Damn thats hott!!!

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1985 GT Fastback
Low Original Miles at 41,506!!!
01 Cavalier Z24 16" wheels
KYB shocks
KYB struts with coilovers-coming soon

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: I have to take a poke at you. I am not running a commodore 64 for a PCM. slow PCM's run slow.

I'll hold my breath for the dyno run. 256hp. Beat that.

Seriously though, either you're running a 2500lb car, a manual, or you're breaking the laws of physics..... But my guess is your data sample timing is off.

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Ryan - Northstar GT - 256RWHP / 258TQ

Owner of the first paddle-shifted, Northstar powered fiero.

Very impressive!!!

Can't wait to see what the G tech says.

just get a stop watch and sample for 60 seconds and divide to find out if your sampling is correct.

Or - maybe your speedometer reading is off. Don't know what kind of tires you're running...

Lucky for me, my commodore is programmable for different tire sizes hehehehe...

WOW Ryan that was fast. Yes I now the VSS is set for different tires and yes the time is not correct because of it. I knew that all along and have been waiting for you to say that. My guess was about a month.
I have a chart I will share now.
We will look at 3rd gear only to make it simple
I have 24" tires and 3.11 final drive and in third it is 1 to 1

RPM 3rd Gear
500 11
600 14
700 16
800 18
900 21
1000 23
1100 25
1200 28
1300 30
1400 32
1500 34
1600 37
1700 39
1800 41
1900 44
2000 46
2100 48
2200 51
2300 53
2400 55
2500 57
2600 60
2700 62
2800 64
2900 67
3000 69
3100 71
3200 73
3300 76
3400 78
3500 80
3600 83
3700 85
3800 87
3900 90
4000 92
4100 94
4200 96
4300 99
4400 101
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now the time at 4400 rpm 11.102 - .925 = 10.17
Even 11 seconds is good.

Seats look sharp, AJ.

It may be asking much, but could you post a summary of what you've done so far to get running? It's hard to piece it together through 6 pages.

Bob

That is a great point! I will attempt to do that. At times it felt like I went 3 steps forward and then 2 back. I will summarize this posting. I am very close to having it all tied up and then I will sell it.

Do you have a sale price in mind?

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: WOW Ryan that was fast. Yes I now the VSS is set for different tires and yes the time is not correct because of it. I knew that all along and have been waiting for you to say that. My guess was about a month.

A test huh?

Ryan I really like your help. Your knowlege is very useful. If you could tell me what the loud clank is i would be happy. I never had it until I dropped the craddle out and fixxed the trans harness. I had first gear starts before after I cleared the codes and started the car in first. Now first gear starts are no problem, but I have a loud clank from under the Passengers seat. I only used a 3/8 impact to tighten the pass through craddle bolts. I tightened them this morning with a 1/2 impact "snapons best" but I still hear it. Only on hard acceleration and a couple of times on hard braking. sound like the coolant tube is hitting the floor on the right side. Ryan give me a hint.

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Cadillac Tech
ASE MASTER TECH since 1988

86 Northstar Fiero
85 RX7 former SCCA car
56 TR3 small mouth 6.0L
Formerly Washougal WA Resident
A.J. Whiteley

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: Hey Ryan I do not have dog bone mounts. That should save some weight and knock off two seconds. Dog Bones Suck!!

Not quite.

General rule of thumb is, for every 100lbs that you shave; you gain 1/10th of a second in the quarter mile. So losing the dog bone mounts might save you a fraction of a 1/10th of a second.

At any rate, great job on the install; and I can't wait to see the finished product!

It was a joke. Ryan said that the car can not run the # because of the weight VS HP.

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: It was a joke.

I figured that, hence the " + " after the sentence.

That sounds like a great price to me. Especially considering all the design and construction work you've done. Design one wants $5000 just for a kit with no engine or car.

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: Hey Ryan I do not have dog bone mounts. That should save some weight and knock off two seconds. Dog Bones Suck!!

I don't either... so your numbers are still off.

Hey Loyde
The Guy with the CTS V. Do you remember are conversation. It was about a book on the front of his car. I asked the body shop manager about him. He is an engineer for a major engine manufacturing plant about 5 block from my work. The book on the front seat was for C++ programming. I know a lot of guys at this place. I have not talked any technical stuff with them for years. The last time I did the conversation was about a 2 cylinder V twin air cooled two stroke. The engine was for a Mopar called a CV for China. I guess they need to be able to program engine controllers.

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Cadillac Tech
ASE MASTER TECH since 1988

86 Northstar Fiero
85 RX7 former SCCA car
56 TR3 small mouth 6.0L
Formerly Washougal WA Resident
A.J. Whiteley

This dash panel is very different in the way it is assembled into the car than they have been in the last ten years or so. Basically for quite awhile the panels are attached to the carriers "metal bar from side to side" then the dash is loaded with all the accessories and wiring. Then it is installed into the car over the already installed HVAC unit. This panel is installed in the car after the carrier has been. This is a very big deal. This unit attaches to a large aluminum carrier that has alignment tabs. I guess this way all the cars could be built the same until this part is put in and that would make it that car. Think of it like a TV. Ten TV's are made on the same assembly line the inside frame and screen are all the same. They look different after the outside covers are put on. Same TV, but you would not know it from the outside. Again this is a big deal, because the way it is attached to the carrier, the construction and the materials used. This will be very easy to install over the Fiero carrier.
Long posting, but this will be easy to install.

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OEM STS V finish.
THIS IS THE BEST IMAGES I COULD FIND
LEATHER WRAPPED DASH


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I will trim the dash as needed and then cover the dash in leather.
MR Mike maybe able to help me?

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Time line recap
I purchased a 86 fiero in September
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Repair a bad casting “coolant leak” in a 99 replacement block with about 5K miles on it.
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Repaired a 4T80E trans That had a P0741 DTC. Turbine shaft seal.
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Trans was from a 2000+ Deville it has an IMS instead of an external range switch.
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Cut the right hinge off the firewall and relocated it only after poking a hole in the valve cover
New valve cover.
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Scrapped the idea of mounting the powertrain unit to the cradle and hung it off the body.
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Drilled the mounting hole in the side frame rails after centering the power-train unit front to back
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Welded the front cradle cross bar in place and wasted days trying to use the original rear bar before giving up and making my life so much easier.
Called in a favor and had the cradle powder coated.
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Built two axles I used the Northstar tulips, 4.9L tripods, Beretta 12” shafts, Fiero outer CV joint.
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Rebuilt the Calipers. Installed all new brake hoses. New Pads and Rotors in the rear.
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Cut the right coolant tube and turned the outlet to point at the left side of the car. It had pointed at the alternator. This was a 4 Cylinder car.
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Made my PCM box and mounted it.
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Programmed the PCM to a Korean VIN Y.
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Purchased a 555G PASS Key III bypass module and wired it in. I had a little trouble getting it to work with the Korean PCM calibration.
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Welded the block a second time after finding the casting had separated all the way to the deck
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Built a nice shifter from a combination of a Fiero, Seville, and an SRX.
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Insulated the firewall and sealed the ends of the pad.
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Relocated my PCM for a better fit and nicer appearance.
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Opened the trans back up and changed the Trans Fluid Pressure Sensor from a two wire to a three wire.
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Started in on the Interior. New seat covers “Northstar”, carpet, firewall cover, door panels, headliner.
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Relocated my fuse box for the Engine controls behind the console at the old PCM location.
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Need a little more time on the harness.

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Cadillac Tech
ASE MASTER TECH since 1988

86 Northstar Fiero
85 RX7 former SCCA car
56 TR3 small mouth 6.0L
Formerly Washougal WA Resident
A.J. Whiteley

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: The G TECH read 13.45 @ 105.5 MPH Quarter mile. This back up my 10 second run to 100 MPH.

Much better.

But if you can get to 100mph in 10 seconds, then you should have no problem doing the 1/4 in 12.5. Unless you skipped 3rd or something...

Still holding my breath for the dyno...

Ryan I ran a 12.48 @ 118 mph. Still getting something odd at high MPH. Tech II was inop. I replaced the VSS.
Nice street To test on. in between a Harley plant and a train yard.

[This message has been edited by AJxtcman (edited 04-15-2007).]

When I needed to get the car going I could not find my LS1 fuel pump. I know now what my surge is in third at high RPM.
The car will be faster soon.
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Cadillac Tech
ASE MASTER TECH since 1988

86 Northstar Fiero
85 RX7 former SCCA car
56 TR3 small mouth 6.0L
Formerly Washougal WA Resident
A.J. Whiteley

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: I do not agree with the term 180° crank. I would think split throw crank and maybe flat plan. Split throw cranks break, makes for uneven crank load in most applications. I just read a little bit on this V8 crank it is like a 60° V6 crank and I am familiar with it. One application used a twisted cross plane or 90° crank. I am not 100° positive that the 05 + engines are this way.

No. Ferraris do not split their crank throws. A Northstar (and the vast majority of V8's on the market) has a 90 degree ("square") crank. The firing order is that of two V4's end to end. Ferraris, Maseratis, the new V8 BMW M3 and a few others of extreme sporting intent use a 180 degree ("flat") crank. It is just like an inline 4 crank except that the rod journals take two rods instead of one. This makes a flat crank V8 two inline 4's on a common crank.
As mentioned before, this changes the exhaust pulse sequencing and allows superior scavenging. It also changes the engine sound significantly. Flat crank V8's don't "throb" the way square crank engines do.
FYI, flat cranks are banned in NASCAR.

As has also been mentioned before, a square crank engine can have the exhaust benefits of a flat crank engine with 180 degree headers. This requires pairing TWO cylinders from one bank with TWO from the other. The original GT40's had headers like this.

quote Originally posted by AJxtcman: I only used a 3/8 impact to tighten the pass through craddle bolts. I tightened them this morning with a 1/2 impact "snapons best" but I still hear it. Only on hard acceleration and a couple of times on hard braking.

I know you've heard of a torque wrench.


Good numbers. You can tack $500 to the price of the car if you have a for-real 12 second timeslip to give the new owner!

Will I am under the impression that the 180° crank is a throw crank. It would be like a 2.8L V6 or even better yet a 3.8L EVEN FIRE. You understand the EVEN FIRE is a 180° crank.

Will when I read the posting I was confused and did a little research on the term 180° crank. I found that it was a split throw crank. Several companies make this type of engine. I think I read about how Audi had actually twisted the cranks in the first 180° motors they turned out. I am probably wrong and it was someone else, but it goes back to the split throws.
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When I am in work on Saturdays I have to make the car drive out by the end of the day. If that mean loosely assembling until Monday night that is the way it. I have said before some days I go forward and then back two steps.
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I have been in race mode and that has consumed all my time. The kid with the 99 car said his motor was knocking AGAIN. He pulled it out and brought it to me. The motor was fine, but not good. New bearings and a cam to go with the 1.6 roller rockers. The knock was the injectors. Yes injectors. The OEM are mounted in the intake. So I had to modify the intake and add a rail. We had 3 other intake and none had race gas in them, but we may have had 6 good injectors. That would be 16 injectors and only 6 good.
This motor has to be stock. It took a lot of work to make the fuel rail look like it came on the car. The injectors are all mounted at a slant to make the deal harder

I know how V6 cranks are made and that they need split throws in order to be even fire.

A 180 degree crank for a V8 is NOT a split throw crank. It has 4 throws and 4 rod journals, JUST LIKE a 90 degree crank. The only difference is the orientation from one throw to the next. A 90 degree crank throw every 90 degrees. A 180 degree crank has the 1st and 3rd throws lined up and the 2nd and 4th throws lined up 180 degrees opposite the 1st and 3rd throws. I'm sure you've taken an inline 4 engine apart. That's a 180 degree crank.

There are some screwed up V8's that use strange bank angles like 65 degrees. This is done for packaging. Those engines need split throw cranks to be even fire. The only one I know of currently on the market is in a Volvo (or maybe Saab?) SUV. This is NOT the same as a flat crank.

I understand what you are saying. I was at the races all day. First place again in the season opener. I will find the time to look up that info and send it to you. I am sure that the info is incorrect by the way you described it. Like I said I was a little confused so I did some research. I think what I read will be incorrect and a bad source.
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I need to get out and look at my no communication issue. The Tech II does not work in my car after I changed some wires. The Data line has to be good because my PK III bypass module is near the DLC. If I had a bad circuit the car would not start.

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Cadillac Tech
ASE MASTER TECH since 1988

86 Northstar Fiero
85 RX7 former SCCA car
56 TR3 small mouth 6.0L
Formerly Washougal WA Resident
A.J. Whiteley

AJ:
Do you have a picture of the front mount and how it attaches to the engine? My Aurora uses a different mount that sits on top of the frame rail.

TIA,
Bob

The one by the oil filter or the one by the balancer?

I guess I should say passenger side mount, by the balancer.

Bob

Tommy won the season opener for the 3rd year in a row.
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I have been busy with his stuff. I would like to get my Beretta on the track this year

Thanx AJ, this is the part I'm missing:


Is that bracket and mount available on all FWD Cadillacs?

Bob

98 on up Sevilles and 2000 to 2005 Deville's. I used the left body mount on the right and the right on the left side. This is because it is on the back of the car. I you are looking at the front of the car the your right is the left and if your working on a Fiero on the rear your right is the right.