Pennock's Fiero Forum
  Technical Discussion & Questions - Archive
  Fiero Fire, Ecm Issue. (Page 2)

T H I S   I S   A N   A R C H I V E D   T O P I C
  

Email This Page to Someone! | Printable Version

This topic is 2 pages long:  1   2 
Previous Page | Next Page
Fiero Fire, Ecm Issue. by Shill
Started on: 04-07-2010 01:45 AM
Replies: 53
Last post by: phonedawgz on 08-25-2010 08:47 PM
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-06-2010 01:35 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by Hudini:


Unfortunately, no it will not. The '84-'86 used a 300 series TBI where the '87-'88 used a 700 series
TBI. The good news is those 300 series TBI's are found on many '80's-'90's GM cars and trucks.
I can find 10 or 20 in my local pull-a-part junkyard. You have a junkyard like that near you?


Yes, Luckily there is actually an '84 there right now.

EDIT: was able to get ahold of all fiero .bin files. Will be creating a new thread for those who need them.

[This message has been edited by Shill (edited 05-10-2010).]

IP: Logged
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-06-2010 04:19 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post

Shill

2166 posts
Member since Apr 2009
So, i had the new ECM with the old PROM in the car. FInally pulled the code and it read 51 a faulty PROM. So I switched back to the PROM that came with the newer ECU and code went away, it's idling at 1100 now, straight from a cold start. not the 2500/3000 RPM warmup as it used to Still bogging and backfiring when I give it gas. Sounds as if it is missing quite often, can't be too positive as my ears aren't trained to recognize that. Anyways. My old prom is the DDB0203 and the new PROM is the DKY1888. What sort of issues will i run across using the wrong PROM? does anyone have a DDB0203 PROM I could purchase?

Once again, a link that was posted a while back with all the ECUs and PROMs. http://www.exatorq.com/ludis_obd1/fieroprom.html


EDIT:ACK! Just noticed, the DKY1888 is listed as the auto trans ECM. I may need a new ECU completely.

EDIT#2:is there a difference between ECM and ECU? I never noticed much before, but I use both in the same sentence, describing the same thing.

[This message has been edited by Shill (edited 05-06-2010).]

IP: Logged
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post05-10-2010 10:11 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post
Found a few sites in my search. ANyone here fluent in another language? http://www.fiero-sector.de/...powerchip_fiero.html

http://www.moates.net/files...26156/lr8/WS_FTP.LOG
Looks like an FTP log. so the .bin is somewhere on their server. I can't seem to find my way around it.
IP: Logged
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post08-23-2010 04:57 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post
The car is running great, made a long trip to fiero fest in richland. One problem I am having is that when I rewired it, I must've crossed the temp sensor and the temp gauge. The warning light slowly brightens until the t-stat opens and then the light will quickly dim and begin to brighten when it closes again. The temp gauge just sits at cold. I'm assuming that I got the colors wrong and that the gauge is powering the light and the light is powerign the gauge. Which color wires are the correct ones that go into the connectors at the block?
IP: Logged
phonedawgz
Member
Posts: 17091
From: Green Bay, WI USA
Registered: Dec 2009


Feedback score:    (23)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 291
Rate this member

Report this Post08-23-2010 05:13 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
Go to the temp gauge sender, there is a green and a green with tan wire. Usually the plastic of the connector is broken off. Take the two and swap them and that will make the light and gauge work correctly




This applies IF your plastic shell is still in place for the Temp Gauge Sender connector
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
You might have to put a paperclip into the plastic connector to bend a metal tang back to get the metal connector to pull out. After you get the two out, bent the tang back out so the metal connector stays in the plastic shell

[This message has been edited by phonedawgz (edited 08-23-2010).]

IP: Logged
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post08-23-2010 11:33 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by phonedawgz:

Go to the temp gauge sender, there is a green and a green with tan wire. Usually the plastic of the connector is broken off. Take the two and swap them and that will make the light and gauge work correctly




This applies IF your plastic shell is still in place for the Temp Gauge Sender connector


it was on there until I accidentally broke it off putting my socket over it to tighten it down. so I can just reverse the plug and it will be fine?

IP: Logged
phonedawgz
Member
Posts: 17091
From: Green Bay, WI USA
Registered: Dec 2009


Feedback score:    (23)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 291
Rate this member

Report this Post08-24-2010 01:48 AM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
I'm not sure what you are saying. You need to swap the two wires on the temperature gauge sending unit. One should be green the other green with a tan stripe
IP: Logged
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post08-24-2010 04:01 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post
The plug is square, I can turn it 180 without re soldering my wires.
IP: Logged
phonedawgz
Member
Posts: 17091
From: Green Bay, WI USA
Registered: Dec 2009


Feedback score:    (23)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 291
Rate this member

Report this Post08-24-2010 04:17 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
OK - then you did and it fixed it right?

the sender should look like this


it should be located here


unbroken the connector from the wiring harness should have looked like this

(ignore the wire swap instructions if you can 180 the connector)

[This message has been edited by phonedawgz (edited 08-24-2010).]

IP: Logged
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post08-24-2010 08:28 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post
I will be heading out tonight and will let you know the results in the morning. I don't doubt you at all though, so I suspect it will work flawlessly.
IP: Logged
phonedawgz
Member
Posts: 17091
From: Green Bay, WI USA
Registered: Dec 2009


Feedback score:    (23)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 291
Rate this member

Report this Post08-25-2010 08:17 AM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
If your temp gauge is still doing the "pegging" when starting (as it did from the factory) you might want to 'fix' it.

Here is the fix for the pegging. It also has a fix for an innaccurate temp gauge.
http://www.fierosails.com/tempgage.html

[This message has been edited by phonedawgz (edited 08-25-2010).]

IP: Logged
PFF
System Bot
Tony Kania
Member
Posts: 20794
From: The Inland Northwest
Registered: Dec 2008


Feedback score:    (7)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 305
User Banned

Report this Post08-25-2010 12:32 PM Click Here to See the Profile for Tony KaniaSend a Private Message to Tony KaniaDirect Link to This Post
I spoke with Shill last night. He just fired her up after changing plugs and wires. He has the marine block 4cyl, and I must say it is quite peppy. This car was a basket case, and he has slowly pulled his first car back from the dead. Nice job Pennocks!
IP: Logged
Shill
Member
Posts: 2166
From: Spokane, WA
Registered: Apr 2009


Feedback score: N/A
Leave feedback

Rate this member

Report this Post08-25-2010 05:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for ShillSend a Private Message to ShillDirect Link to This Post
 
quote
Originally posted by phonedawgz:

If your temp gauge is still doing the "pegging" when starting (as it did from the factory) you might want to 'fix' it.

Here is the fix for the pegging. It also has a fix for an innaccurate temp gauge.
http://www.fierosails.com/tempgage.html



It has always done this, even when the connectors were disconnected or reversed, etc. What would the benefits of it not pegging? I see no problem with the gauge test at startup unless there is some hidden issue this will cause.

IP: Logged
phonedawgz
Member
Posts: 17091
From: Green Bay, WI USA
Registered: Dec 2009


Feedback score:    (23)
Leave feedback





Total ratings: 291
Rate this member

Report this Post08-25-2010 08:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for phonedawgzClick Here to visit phonedawgz's HomePageSend a Private Message to phonedawgzDirect Link to This Post
The advantanges of changing the wiring to eliminate the pegging

1 - You then have a check lamp function as you should for the temp light
2 - Your temp gauge isn't getting more and more inaccurate every time you start the car
3 - Your needle doesn't to the spaz out dance when you start the car.

The advantages of leaving it miswired as stock

---
So you can decide. It is a common belief that GM miswired the check light function to the wrong leads. There is no other explaination that makes any sense as to why GM would have left off the check light function and made the temp gauge do it's nasty start spasm.

The instructions on the link show how to swap them. You swap would be a little easier since on the engine end all you would have to do is reverse the plug rather than pull the connectors out of the plastic shell. You will still need to do the corrisponding swap at the dash connector end as per the link.


btw - Light and gauge working correctly now?

[This message has been edited by phonedawgz (edited 08-25-2010).]

IP: Logged
Previous Page | Next Page

This topic is 2 pages long:  1   2 


All times are ET (US)

T H I S   I S   A N   A R C H I V E D   T O P I C
  

Contact Us | Back To Main Page

Advertizing on PFF | Fiero Parts Vendors
PFF Merchandise | Fiero Gallery
Real-Time Chat | Fiero Related Auctions on eBay



Copyright (c) 1999, C. Pennock