Call me paranoid, but as a general rule I do not put any fuel connections close to the exhaust. If it was my car, I would reroute the fuel lines and fuel filter to keep them as far away from the exhaust/turbo as possible.

UPDATE:

Decklids's almost there. the spring that hold it up is hitting the air intake, but if we remove it, it'll still hit the alternator. we'll probably just cut the lid, and reinforce it...


See? we're close.


got an air cleaner off of a Dodge Van, and cut it to make it work. i would have liked to have hooked it up to the ram air unit on the side, but it just won't work. if we attached, it would have been air filter and a chance for damp air. the ram air is still sucking air in, and putting it into the engine compartment, it's just not direct. i think we'll live.


my dad did a beautiful job on the intercooler. it only sits, like, 1/2 an inch below the rest of the car, so it's a great fit.


Wiring's all we've got left. :\


Almost done, guys, and pretty soon we'll have videos, and pictures, and 1/4 mile times, and speeding tickets, and big, bright grins on our faces... :]

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

Nice job but I would take the extra time to low mount the alternator. Even with a huge cut in the bracing the lid still won't close. Also keeping the fuel lines far away from the exhaust is a good idea.

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"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

quote Originally posted by fieroguru: Call me paranoid, but as a general rule I do not put any fuel connections close to the exhaust. If it was my car, I would reroute the fuel lines and fuel filter to keep them as far away from the exhaust/turbo as possible.

I agree! This V8 I just picked up had the fuel line coming up and over the exhaust manifold on the firewall side. When I pulled it out of there, it was already getting scorched on the undeneath side. I ran it back through the tunnel where the filler and vent hose come in the along the frame rail and around the back trunk wall. I fear I was colse to spraying gas all over the front manifold and poof! Use a lot of care with fuel lines.

I really think that the lines will be fine. we just ordered a turbo blanket, last night, so it'll be in, soon. and we've got cool air blowing through there, in that area, and we've got the '84 decklid with the vents on the top, so the heat will be realeased... it shouldn't be a problem.

(EDIT) woah! i broke 1500 views. :]

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

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quote Originally posted by Mr_jacob7: we just ordered a turbo blanket, . (EDIT) woah! i broke 1500 views. :]

The original Grand Prix McLaren turbo had a heat shield placed over the turbo.

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"THE COLUSSUS"
87GT - ALL OUT 3.4L Turbocharged engine, Garrett Hybrid Turbo, MSD ign., modified TH125H
" ON THE LOOSE WITHOUT THE JUICE "

Hey, guys.

been working on the wiring, all day yesterday, and today. we got the engine running, in the car, but then the engine started to bog down, like it was lacking fuel. played around with a new pump, and tried a whole bunch of different things, but nothing's seemed to work so far... we're thinking it's the fuel pressure regulator, so we're going to change that out, after lunch. should be *fun*.

thanks for the support, guys. almost done, so bear with us! :]

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

Didn't get much done, today... :]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fD4uCwjded4

(second time typing this, because of the stupid "f5" button.)

Okay. as you can tell, it was actually the 10th time runnign it, but we were mocking Hollywood. we had been chasing around a problem, (dropping the tank three times to check the fuel pumps) and we finally managed to find out why our fuel pressure was at 9 psi, rather than 45. it was a hole in the hose connecting the pump to the fuel line. we were looking all the way up around the fuel pressure regulator, when in reality, the problem was half and inch from home. talk about kicking yourself in the butt.

anyway, the engine's running reliably, and well. we actually managed to rig up the wiring enough to take it up the street. it was the fastest car i've ever been in. my dad was driving, and as he stepped on it, it felt like being sucked into a black hole, except for the whole "dying in the black hole" part. he gave it, like, 40% throttle, and it zoomed forward, and then we heard a "PPSSSSH!!!" as a hose came off of the turbo.

20 minutes and 3 burns later, and we tried again. feathered the pedal, and it felt drivable. he pushed a little bit (maybe 20% throttle) and it was denting my headrests. finally, he gave it around 50%, and the thing lurched forward again, bringing tears to my eyes (not the emotions, but the sheer pressure in my skull) and then made a "PSSSSSSH!!!" again, as the hose clamps flew off again.

dang tease!

anyway, we're getting some better clamps, and probably cutting some things to make things fit, but that's in the future. was a great day.

i can't wait to get my turn. :]

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

[This message has been edited by Mr_jacob7 (edited 11-07-2009).]

Sweet!

It sounds great!

Way cool and congrats!

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Two thumbs up! Great to see someone blazing a new trail and sticking through to... well... near completion! And hey, it's OK to have tears in your eyes when it lights up the first time. When I got my SBC going the first time, I told my wife it was because of the rich exhaust stinging my eyes... whatever excuse works for you.

Congrats. Very cool!

Just for you guys. :]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SwaGfIy17k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UmxqkcYyvIc

There yar. :]

Pardon the decklid corded down, and the wood planks working as dogbones, and the wires coming out the wazoo... we're still mid-swap. haha.

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

Not to hi-jack, but why won't those exhaust manifolds work on a Iron-headed 2.8/3.1/3.4?

They will with mod. to the blot hole's. there hard to come by for one and if you have Fiero manifolds then your better off making you own crossover pipe.

Vids. are great. Pooor cameraman......

Dude, you gotta be stoked with that. The McLaren 3.1 looks like without TOO much work it snuggles in there pretty good. If I could lay my hands on one...

yeah, the video's not the best, and if your stomachs are nauscious, i apologize. the cameraman was my 10-year-old brother, so, ya know...

it's extremely tight. rough to work on, but we manage. we're hoping to get it fixed up enough to make it to daytona, for the turkey rod run, in a few weeks. it'll kinda be embarassing to drive it up, the way it is. idk. we'll see.

would you guys bring it, mid swap?

anyway...

could somebody please move this to the construction zone? i think it's more appropriate, there, i just didn't do it at the time. i would just open a new thread, but i wanna keep it all together. thanks.

(edit) Oh.. okay, no-can-do with the construction zone. thanks, Khw.

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

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decklid shuts. we just decided to cut it, and it fit well. still seems to have a lot of support, so once we make it loook pretty, i'm sure it'll be fine.

somethin went out on the fuel pump again. >:\ just wiring, though. we'll look at it, tomorrow.

(edit) Nevermind. just a loose wire. we took it out, and it's still bogging down. it'll hit, like, 4000 RPM (and quite quickly, i should add) and then it just, like, stops, and goes back to idle. my dad thinks it's the waste gate actator. we're in the process of ordering a new one, so we'll see if it works.

the thing is amazingly fast. and for those of you at the turkey rod run, we'll be there.

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

[This message has been edited by Mr_jacob7 (edited 11-14-2009).]

quote Originally posted by Mr_jacob7: could somebody please move this to the construction zone? i think it's more appropriate, there, i just didn't do it at the time. i would just open a new thread, but i wanna keep it all together. thanks.

I don't think you can start a thread in the construction zone. I think the powers that be "Cliff" decides when a thread is worthy and moves it there. I could be mistaken though.

Edit: Yup, just checked and there is no new topic button in the construction zone.

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quote Originally posted by Khw: Edit: Yup, just checked and there is no new topic button in the construction zone.

How odd, I see the new topic button at the top of the page.

quote Originally posted by TiredGXP: How odd, I see the new topic button at the top of the page.

You are correct. I didn't click into a thread but when I did it was there. However if you press the button to start a new topic it will not let you post it unless you are a forum admin/mod or you have the password.

quote If you are an administrator or moderator, you do not need to type a forum password. If you are not, you must supply the forum password in order to post a message in this forum, unless you have been given specific permission by your administrator.

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My dad just dropped it off at a muffler shop, yesterday. i'm ill, so i couldn't escort it. :[

will take pictures and maybe a video, too, when it gets home, today. i'm excited. Dual-exhaust.

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

Yum! I'm definitely watching this! The last 3.1 Turbo swap I saw was into a Z24, unfortunately it didn't last long.

I'm looking forward to some new videos!

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1990 Sunbird SE /// 1995 Beretta Base

following closely

Well, here's the promised video. go ahead and laugh, at the end... :P

lol.

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"Be not led astray, bretheren beloved..." -James 1:16.


Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

What did you go with exhaust wise?
I plan to just run the biggest pipe I can from the turbo to a split into dual's ending in Z28 tips.
My buddy told me most of their turbo cars go mufflerless for less backpressure,and they don't sound very loud.
Most that i've heard are very tolerable.

Neat swap. Like I said a while ago, I'd post in here when I got a chance. I don't really have a chance, but I'm taking it anyway (heh).
I can appreciate the low-buck approach to get it running, and it is! Hopefully it'll be plenty safe, reliable, and fun for you.
It sounds great with the new exhaust, especially since you can hear the turbo through it (always a beautiful sound), what muffler/s are on it? Not Flowmaster, I hope?

I'd like to give you some insights if you don't mind, sharing knowledge is half the fun I think!

A few corrections...

quote Originally posted by Mr_jacob7: projected times: current (205 hp): 14.48 Sec with boost chip (245): 13.64 Sec With Boost chip and bigger turbo (320): 12.48 Sec like I said; i doubt it's all correct. we'll just have to see.

245hp would be really pushing the stock TGP 22 lb/hr injectors, it might have enough fuel but it might run lean. When running that far to the edge of fueling, you definitely should have a better tune than one new chip can provide to be safe. That much power on the TGP T25 (not even a small T3 as was incorrectly mentioned) is possible, but it'll be blowing hotter air than stock, and the intercooler will get heat soaked faster.
320hp is not possible on the TGP injectors, you'd have to get larger ones and tune for them, and for everything else. I don't remember if it was mentioned what fuel pump you're using, but it'll have to be upgraded also for this much power, no stock Fiero pump will do it. A larger intercooler would be required to keep the intake temps down, and it'll need to have good ambient temp airflow through it as well. It's likely that you won't even get to this power level without 100+ octane, because it'll require around 18-19psi with the stock TGP heads and very restrictive intake manifold (A Gen III top end swap would go a LONG way in getting you closer). The 'next size up' turbo will also have a very hard time keeping up. Aside from all that, the TGP tranny won't be happy at those torque and power levels, as they are known for being weak (though slightly better than the 'non TGP' automatics of the era)
There are more details involved than just that, but it's a start if you later want 320hp(+) out of this setup.

For the record, many many many people with all types of cars have run 12's or faster on much less than $30,000 (for the entire car and setup). You can spend that much if you want because there are thousands of ways to skin a Fiero, but it isn't required to run 12's. With 320 crank hp and a tranny to handle it you'd easily run 12's in your car, and everything I mentioned that needs upgraded won't even be close to 30k.

The intercooler mounting is fine for stock boost, but the perforated plate that holds it in has got to go, or at least be cut out in the center where the IC fins are. It blocks much more airflow than you might think.
It won't matter much at first, until you run the car for a little while and the IC gets heat soaked (especially on a hot day), but then you'll lose power at the least, and have detonation at worst. The stock TGP chip calibration is good at pulling timing and protecting the engine in those conditions (pretty much all stock cals are), but it's not something you want it to be doing regularly, it's bad for the turbo if nothing else (super-hot exhaust gas going straight through it).

Do you have a boost gauge? If not, install one before ANYTHING else because, while it 'should' be running the stock 8-9 psi when hooked up as original, you don't know for sure that everything is working correctly or that there weren't any errors in hooking it up. An improperly working wastegate setup can make for a really fast car... for a short time. You don't want to waste all that hard work you put into it, right?
If you have a gauge in there, then good, it should read 8-9 psi. Keep an eye on it occasionally.

Decklid notching is said to cause bowing of the decklid in that area over time because of the constant decklid spring pressure and heat cycling, but I have no personal experience with that. Keep a lookout for it at least.

Also, it was incorrectly mentioned that this is the first-running TGP Fiero swap, it isn't. I know of at least one other member who completed and is (or at least was) driving his, he just hasn't posted about it. It's done similarly to this car, except using the original Fiero 3-speed (living on borrowed time) with reduced boost to help save the tranny.

Hopefully I've helped clarify some things, if I can help with anything (through the internet anyway), just ask.
Enjoy your newly turbo Fiero!

I'll start a thread hopefully soon about my in-progress TGP 3.1/3100 5-speed swap, for now some details are in bmwguru's "Haus of Guru" thread.

Take care, and God bless!

I've begun to post up my '88 Fiero TGP swap/build thread if you want to see it. At present I haven't gotten to where the project is currently, but in due time.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/078498.html

Most of you (I know mrjacobs has) have seen my $50 TGP find thread so i'll be doing one soon also.
Glad to see I have more than 1 brain to pick.

in a quick answer, because we're about to take her out for ice cream. (she doesn't get any, though.)

exhaust = from the motor to a "Y" split, and then to two 10" resonators, and then out of some ugly, temporary tips.

1/4 mile times were just a quick approximation (very approximated, and on the high-end of things) and the result of an online calculator. i'm not expecting 12's, on this budget. (mooching-off-my-dad budget)

the fuel pump was changed. its a high-pressure performance pump.

the intercooler comments are taken into account. we'll check it out. thanks.

Installed the boost gauge tonight, actually. it says that we were getting around 10, and then the engine cuts down. thinking the waste gate.

will keep an eye on the decklid.

i didn't think this would be the first swap. we lookedall around, though, and didnt see any, so i just assumed. that's cool, however, that other people have done it. would love to compare and contrast with em.

you have clarified some things, and i appreciate it, and the interest of you, and the rest of you guys.

to reward you; new pics of the car in front of our new landscaping. note the new stickers on the rear and the side.

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

Where did you get the sticker?
I'm diggin' that,I could have one made in vinyl pretty easily.
I'm thinking maybe something in brushed aluminum(against my 88's black exterior) and going the width of the rear similar to the ferrari f40 I think.?
M C L A R E N


I'm feelin' it a bit,I usually don't like flashyish.
Sorry,I think i'm stealing your creativity.
Hope you don't mind.

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Enjoy the ice cream. Yum.
I like the badges!

Cool, resonators shouldn't be terribly restrictive if they're the straight-through kind. I was thinking that sounded a little bit like some Flowmasters I've heard, I was way off! Either way, it sounds great.

Another note on the IC... if it's possible to angle it upwards (facing the front a little) it'll get slightly more airflow that way too, the curvature of the floorboard becoming the firewall is that way so air from underneath gets sucked up into the engine bay for cooling, the optimal angle would be perpendicular to that curve at the point it's located. It probably wouldn't make a HUGE difference, but would probably be worth something (especially at higher speeds).

Now that you mention 10psi cutting, I remember that the factory calibration does something to it. I forget exactly whether it cuts fuel or spark, or just limits the factory wastegate to 10psi, but I'm almost positive that it's the ECU that's doing it to you, and on purpose.
However, it begs the question, why is it trying to run over 10psi if it's hooked up as factory? It shouldn't be, and that may be a wastegate or wastegate setup issue. More research needed...

I was referring to Dennis Lagrua (who is notorious for inaccurate information from what I and others have seen) mentioning you being the first, I wasn't aware you thought of that also. It's one thing to say "I might be the first because I've never heard of it done but I'm not sure", wholly something else to say with confidence "If you succeed you will be the first one to complete this swap." such as he did. Sorry for the confusion.

Where were all you guys when i was doing my 3.1lmpfi (non-turbo) swap last year lol. I was suprised it wasn't more popular but the turbo will definatly help make it a pretty quick car.

i know; i'm surprised there aren't more 3.1 fieros out there... guess it's because the 3800 is an easier swap, and it's way faster...

the 3.1 turbo and the 3.1 are really not the same engine at all, though... it's not so much the 3.1 with a turbo, it's the turbo with a 3.1 on in.

here are a whole bunch of specs about what's different on the McTurbo:
http://www.turbograndprix.c...nd%20Differences.htm

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

quote Originally posted by Mr_jacob7: i know; i'm surprised there aren't more 3.1 fieros out there... guess it's because the 3800 is an easier swap, and it's way faster... the 3.1 turbo and the 3.1 are really not the same engine at all, though... it's not so much the 3.1 with a turbo, it's the turbo with a 3.1 on in. here are a whole bunch of specs about what's different on the McTurbo: http://www.turbograndprix.c...nd%20Differences.htm

I've seen those specs before about the block and everything but i thought it said on 60deg that they were said to be speculation. Who knows. I cant wait to see the quarter mile times out of this though. Have you done any 0-60's yet lol?

edit: i wish i had gone with a 3800sc to, i think i could've done it for close to the same price and possibly less headache because its so documented.

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done a 0-60? yeah. recorded it? not yet. we're still having problems with the waste gate actuator sticking, or something along those lines, so the engine cuts off around 4000 rpm (70-ish MPH).

still working out kinks, then we'll figure it all out. :]

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Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

quote Originally posted by mtownfiero: Where were all you guys when i was doing my 3.1lmpfi (non-turbo) swap last year lol. I was suprised it wasn't more popular but the turbo will definatly help make it a pretty quick car.

IMO, a 3.1/NA swap would be kinda pointless depending on situation.
Now if your 2.8 goes,and you need another engine then yeah I would drop in a 3.1 if it's what I had.
If I didn't have a 3.1 turbo fall into my lap for $50,then I wouldn't have searched it out or even messed with it.

For all the work that needs to be done,it's not worth it for a 3.1/na unless you just need a new engine and happen to have one laying around
or are trying to keep the build low cost or don't care about power just want a couple more cubes of displacement since you need an engine anyway.

Not that it's alot of work,but just the work of changing the engine I wouldn't do to gain the power of a 3.1/NA.
For all that work I would rather step up to another engine with better support,flow,parts avail,etc..

I'm doing it cause the price is right($50 for entire car) I shouldn't need to weld (I can,just don't want too) and I need an engine as mine won't be around much longer i'm sure.

i love how we just totally bashed that guy's car... :\

sorry man. not our intent. i've actually been watching the boost gauge, and it says that the boost is only being delivered when i pretty much floor it. if this is true, then the 3.1 is a quick motor, even without the turbo.

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"Be not led astray, bretheren beloved..." -James 1:16.


Thanks, Danyel, for the graphic.

quote Originally posted by Mr_jacob7: i love how we just totally bashed that guy's car... :\ sorry man. not our intent. i've actually been watching the boost gauge, and it says that the boost is only being delivered when i pretty much floor it. if this is true, then the 3.1 is a quick motor, even without the turbo.

I dont consider it bashing really, when you type stuff out it can come off a lot harsher than it may have been intended. The reason i did the swap was because of avaliability and the price i got a completely rebuilt motor for. Also by having the 7730 and DIS ecu and ignition i knew if i wanted to i could always upgrade to a 3x00 swap with the gen II block. For my first car, taking out an engine let alone a swap and doing it 99% by myself i think i came out ok. The 2.8l had a rod knock and i didnt drive it far like that but when compared to the 3.1l id say the 3.1l is more tq'y if that makes any sense. I have a couple mods to mine too that might squeeze out 155 hp give or take.

Nope,no bashing meant.
That's my opinion based on my point of view.
My time is valuable,and for that kind of work a 3.4/3400 would be minimum.
Of course if I had a 3.1 in the backyard,it would be a different story (obviously )