Yours vs Mine...

[This message has been edited by Jncomutt (edited 12-17-2010).]

turns out i have a f35 from the forced induction cobalt ss. i will rectify the problem in the morning from my supplier.

I know for a fact that the new F23 are at least as strong as the old ones fact is Cobalt people are swapping their F35 for F23's due to them being strong and better gear ratio's only issue with t he F23 is lack of after-market clutch options. Just read some Saturn ion forums you will see that the F23 can take a beating. Side note i believe the 2000 L200 had a F25? basically a F23 case with a clutch with the spline count of a F35 so you can use the F35 clutch and axle set-up. Again ill have to double check this but i do remember people using the F25 Clutch for use in F23s on LSJ engines.

problem solved. now have 3 f23's. 2 from cobalts, 1 from cavalier.

Could someone post a pic of the top of a Pontiac 2.0 OHC engine so I can be sure we're talking about the same motor we get over here?

Thnaks

quote Originally posted by mera7: problem solved. now have 3 f23's. 2 from cobalts, 1 from cavalier.

Please post up some pics.

quote Originally posted by Younggun88: I know for a fact that the new F23 are at least as strong as the old ones fact is Cobalt people are swapping their F35 for F23's due to them being strong and better gear ratio's only issue with t he F23 is lack of after-market clutch options. Just read some Saturn ion forums you will see that the F23 can take a beating. Side note i believe the 2000 L200 had a F25? basically a F23 case with a clutch with the spline count of a F35 so you can use the F35 clutch and axle set-up. Again ill have to double check this but i do remember people using the F25 Clutch for use in F23s on LSJ engines.

Interesting... where did you find this info? Confirm?

quote Originally posted by mera7: problem solved. now have 3 f23's. 2 from cobalts, 1 from cavalier.

Any progress in the R&D?

Just a thought, might want to P.M. Rodney and ask him about using these transmissions. I know he makes adapters and kits for the late nineties cavalier transmissions. He may have some insight on the newer ones.
I thought I read somewhere about a kit to make these work, but i cant remember where.
Good luck

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here is a pic of the 3.63 ratio 2010 cobalt f23 with the cavalier bellhousing bolted to it.

quote Originally posted by mera7: here is a pic of the 3.63 ratio 2010 cobalt f23 with the cavalier bellhousing bolted to it.

Do you have any pictures of it apart before you put it together?

sorry i didnt take pics while i had the trans apart.

quote Originally posted by mera7: here is a pic of the 3.63 ratio 2010 cobalt f23 with the cavalier bellhousing bolted to it.

Um.... No its not. That's the ecotec bell housing. If you got it from a 2002 cavalier with a 2.2, it could have been the ecotec 2.2 instead of the 2200 (Vin 4 engine) you have to make sure its vin 4 or you've got the wrong one!

here we go again lol... i am not originally from the fiero community and am not totally familiar with all the bellhousing options that were available. i will call my supplier... again

EDIT; yes it was a 2002 cavalier 2.2 but i dont know what vin. i will have to check that out.

[This message has been edited by mera7 (edited 12-20-2010).]

quote Originally posted by mera7: here is a pic of the 3.63 ratio 2010 cobalt f23 with the cavalier bellhousing bolted to it.

Just curious, how difficult was it to swap bellhousings(1-10)?
Also, have you tried to mate any of your transmissions with the 3800, to see how they line up?

quote Originally posted by nosrac: Also, have you tried to mate any of your transmissions with the 3800, to see how they line up?

Seriously?

The 2002 jbody was available with 3 engines mated to the f23, the LD9 (twin cam, the updated quad 4) The 2200 OHV (the one you wanted) and the Ecotec (the one you got apparently) Next time ask for a 2000-2001 to eliminate the mix up of the 2200 and the Ecotec since both are 2.2 liters.

How exactly did you manage to remove the old bellhousing and install the new one without noticing they were the same? If they arent the same then its likely you got the LD9 version, Which is different then the ecotec or the 2200...

Sounds like your supplier has thier heads deep in there asses but you cant help but blame yourself as well.

quote Originally posted by Jncomutt: Seriously?

Yes, Can you just "look" at a F23 and tell you have the correct bellhousing? It would be the first thing I would do it insure I had the correct one, especially if I got the wrong one before.

quote Originally posted by Gandalf: Could someone post a pic of the top of a Pontiac 2.0 OHC engine so I can be sure we're talking about the same motor we get over here? Thnaks

here you go 2.0 pontiac ohc engine

quote Originally posted by bubbajoexxx: here you go 2.0 pontiac ohc engine

C20XE & C20LET or something like that. Yes its the same motor that came in a boatload of Opels.

quote Originally posted by nosrac: Yes, Can you just "look" at a F23 and tell you have the correct bellhousing? It would be the first thing I would do it insure I had the correct one, especially if I got the wrong one before.

i am not the only one having trouble finding the right f23, someone else here on this thread has had issues as well.

quote Originally posted by KurtAKX: C20XE & C20LET or something like that. Yes its the same motor that came in a boatload of Opels.

And definitely has the same bolt pattern as our Fieros? Well that IS good news! :-D

quote Originally posted by mera7: i am not the only one having trouble finding the right f23, someone else here on this thread has had issues as well.

How, its not that hard... Cav/sunfire 00/01/02 with a 2.2 and a manual trans... they made tens of thousands of them probably.

It is also very simple to look at the bolt pattern before buying one/going to look at one. the LAST thing you want to do is ever tell a junkyard person any information that is not needed... When looking for a part... you proudly became the owner of BONE STOCK 2001 sunfire with a 2.2 with a stick, that needs a new transmission.

car-part is not that complicated to use...

quote 2001 Transmission Chevy Cavalier M.T., 4-134 (2.2L)-65K 65,000 grade A H-037 $250 C & C Used Auto Parts USA-OK(Oklahoma) 1-800-749-1179

Hell, there are even some NOS ones on here...

quote 2000 Transmission Pontiac Sunfire NEW TAKE OUT,10 MILES 1,000 A QOO36A $500 New Castle Auto Wrecking, Inc. USA-PA(New-Castle) Request_Quote 1-800-245-2226 Request_Insurance_Quote

quote 2000 Transmission Chevy Cavalier Y,2.2,5SPD,8K-8960 8,000 A 01A007 $350 Allgeier Auto Parts USA-OH(Cincinnati) Request_Quote 800-745-3378 / 513-353-3377 Request_Insurance_Quote

[This message has been edited by darkhorizon (edited 12-21-2010).]

quote Originally posted by Gandalf: And definitely has the same bolt pattern as our Fieros? Well that IS good news! :-D

Careful!
Look on the first page, https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/103406.html#p30
the 2.0 OHC DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME PATTERN as the Fiero engines. the 2200 Cavalier (2.2) does, that is also pictured on the first page.

quote Originally posted by Fierobsessed: Careful! Look on the first page, https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...HTML/103406.html#p30 the 2.0 OHC DOES NOT HAVE THE SAME PATTERN as the Fiero engines. the 2200 Cavalier (2.2) does, that is also pictured on the first page.

Ah cr@p... But an F23 can be bolted to a 2200 cav bellhousing, whether it came from an OHC, a 2200 or an ecotec?

in 2002, Cavaliers came with 2.4L OHC's (quad 4's) 2200's and Ecotecs. All at the same time!
And they ALL had F23 transmissions available. So you have 3 bell housing types to choose from:

Quad 4/Twincam (Unique to this engine only)

GM Metric pattern Which includes... 2200, 2.5, 2.8, 3.0, 3.1, 3100, 3.2L Isuzu, 3.3, 3300, 3.4, 3.4 DOHC, 3400, 3.5 Isuzu, 3.5 DOHC (Shortstar), 3500, 3.8, 3800, 4.0 Northstar (sort of matches), 4.1 caddy, 4.3 Diesel, 4.5 caddy, 4.6 Northstar (sort of matches), 4.9 caddy, 5300.

Did I miss any? Im a little fuzzy on the 2200's variant's bellhousing patterns. I don't know them well.

and the Ecotec bellhousing, unique to its own like the quad 4 is.

quote Originally posted by mera7: i am not the only one having trouble finding the right f23, someone else here on this thread has had issues as well.

Sorry if my statement came across wrong, Believe me, I'm not pointing a finger. A novice mechanic like myself, is just wondering how does one know he has the correct transmission? I plan on making a junkyard run but don't know how to tell just by "visual inspection" if I have the right one since there are many F23 bell housings.

[This message has been edited by nosrac (edited 12-21-2010).]

quote Originally posted by Gandalf: And definitely has the same bolt pattern as our Fieros? Well that IS good news! :-D

NO!

quote Originally posted by Gandalf: And definitely has the same bolt pattern as our Fieros? Well that IS good news! :-D

NO it does not the OHC engine has its own bolt pattern and is not compatable with the v6 or the duke look at the engine bolt partterns Pics I posted

[This message has been edited by bubbajoexxx (edited 12-21-2010).]

You can tell if you have the right bellhousing from 50 ft without even a second guess, also what exactly does the OHC 2.0 have to do with anything ? it was never attached to f23's atleast not here.


this is way easier then you are all making it, if your not sure if its the right one save yourself money and do some research (aka look at a picture)


2200 SFI PUSHROD ENGINE in a 2000-2002 cavalier/sunfire there really is no way to screw this up unless you just plain dont even look at the transmission.

quote Originally posted by FieroFiend: You can tell if you have the right bellhousing from 50 ft without even a second guess, also what exactly does the OHC 2.0 have to do with anything ? it was never attached to f23's atleast not here. this is way easier then you are all making it, if your not sure if its the right one save yourself money and do some research (aka look at a picture) 2200 SFI PUSHROD ENGINE in a 2000-2002 cavalier/sunfire there really is no way to screw this up unless you just plain dont even look at the transmission.

the 2200 cavalier motor was not used in europe but the 2.0 OHC engine was used in many opal's and vauxhaull's
he needs to know what cars in europe used the F23 with a V6 fiero pattern

Make absolute sure its a 2000+ with that engine as they were using the 2200 in 98-99 as well looking identical but was not the F23. Just adding to bubba's post.

[This message has been edited by FieroFiend (edited 12-21-2010).]

quote Originally posted by bubbajoexxx: find a cav or sunfier with this engine and a manual trans and you have the right bellhousing

The yard I usually go to they have the engines and transmissions already pulled and on the shelf with a tag.
I would like to go in and "look" at a F23 transmission and know I have the right one.
Maybe I need to take a pic with my iPhone and study up...lol

This is what the bellhousing would look like sitting on the shelf at a recyclers... This picture has a lot more information in it than most people will realize.

quote Originally posted by Jncomutt: This is what the bellhousing would look like sitting on the shelf at a recyclers... This picture has a lot more information in it than most people will realize.

Just what the Dr ordered...Thx.

2 more trannies today... 2002 vin 4 cavalier f23 and another 2010 cobalt f23

Finally scored yourself a winner, the darker of the two is without a doubt the proper 2200 bellhousing.