So say I go to take the exhaust manifold off and i break a bolt. Why cant I extract it, and just put another one in? Or just go ahead and order a set of studs and do what I have to do to get the others out port it and use the new studs and put it back on.
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09:57 PM
86FIFI Member
Posts: 749 From: Statesboro, GA Registered: Aug 2010
Ok, so why cant I order another set of studs, and if these break I can drill them out and replace them all with the new ones?
Also, could I do true duals to get rid of the restrictive Y, or possibly the two pipes into an x pipe? Or with the car being naturally aspirated, should I stick with the Y or is there even room to do true duals?
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10:08 PM
phonedawgz Member
Posts: 17091 From: Green Bay, WI USA Registered: Dec 2009
If you can get them out. Break them off flush or less and you can have a real b**** getting whats left out. Best is to get them to come out without breaking.
There was a post a while back of someone useing stock GM exhaust manifold studs. Not sure what engine they were for. The bolts are standard metric threads.
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86FIFI Member
Posts: 749 From: Statesboro, GA Registered: Aug 2010
So could I get a stud out in 1 solid piece, and take it to my local Fastenal which is a nut and bolt place around here and get the same length and thread bolt?
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Oct 7th, 2010
fierofool Member
Posts: 12912 From: Auburn, Georgia USA Registered: Jan 2002
So could I get a stud out in 1 solid piece, and take it to my local Fastenal which is a nut and bolt place around here and get the same length and thread bolt?
Oh God be careful about buying from Fastenal. I bought some stainless blots with ny-lock nuts & they froze on the bolts BEFORE they even tightened down!. Had to break them with a pull handle to get them off. Probably made in china. I'll get my bolts from the hardware store from now on. Sending you a PM... Later, ~ Paul aka "Tha Driver"
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Ok, I will keep that in mind when buying the nuts and bolts. Also I will look for the thread about the studs. I ordered the clutch kit today, let's hope everything is correct and I have the get the flywheel resurfaced soon, I am eager to get the car on the road! But want to do everything right while the motor is out.
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phonedawgz Member
Posts: 17091 From: Green Bay, WI USA Registered: Dec 2009
You can bring the piece of bolt you have left for the Y pipe bolt.
It might be easier to just knock off the welded on nut on the Y pipe and just replace the bolt AND nut. I have a wire feed so I would prob knock the welded nut off and weld a new one on if the bolt was stuck in beyond what a torch would take out. You can also double nut the Y pipe to header bolts to make sure they dont come loose
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Oct 9th, 2010
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Posts: 749 From: Statesboro, GA Registered: Aug 2010
Got the heat extraction tubes, some heat shields, and part of the transmission casing painted today, and dropped my flywheel off to be resurfaced. Waiting on the clutch fork to come in, and then reinstalling the engine shall begin.
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Also, I was thinking about getting the engine strut rebuild kit for the stock dogbone, rather than buying another dog bone. Have you guys tried this or know anyone who has? Just wondering before I do it.
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phonedawgz Member
Posts: 17091 From: Green Bay, WI USA Registered: Dec 2009
If your stock dogbone has the rib that runs around the outside, it will be a pretty easy job. Once you get the old rubber out, the new Fiero Store poly bushings can be pressed in with your hands. If your dogbone is smooth on the outside---well, have fun.
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Well we hit a road block today, as well as made some progress. And muratic acid is my new best friend for fighting rust. We got the exhaust manifolds off, and reinforced the flange on the outside.
We had a hard time with the clutch fork bushing, and I will definately need a new one before I install the new fork. We finally got the fork out, removed some more paint from the plenum, got a couple more heat shields painted, going to order the clutch fork bushing, exhaust manifold gaskets, studs, dog bone bushings, and i believe something else but cant remember what, but I will order it tonight. And hope to have the clutch stuff done by next wednesday,
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phonedawgz Member
Posts: 17091 From: Green Bay, WI USA Registered: Dec 2009
One problem with the acid - It 'hardens' the surface by removing free electrons. This extra hardening can lead to stress cracking in the future. One way to keep it from happening is to use the acid as little as possible. That is brush off the rust with the wire wheel first and use the acid for final clean up.
Evaluate the parts before you dip them in acid. If they are a high stress part don't dip them. Don't dip springs. Don't dip bolts that hold suspension. Don't dip A-arms or other suspension parts. DO NOT DIP ANY STEERING OR BRAKE PARTS!!.
Brackets can be diped without much problem.
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phonedawgz Member
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I only used it on heat shields, and the header flanges. I laughed out loud at ur quote. The road block was the clutch fork bushing took. Forever to get out, and now I have to wait for it to come in to move forward. At leeast after doing all this I know everything is done right and should have a pretty reliable can engine and transmission wise.
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Also I have a question, I planned on doin true duals instead of porting the y pipe. is there anything wrong with true duals? i dont hear much talk about people doing it, so I figured I would ask. Is there anyhting against doing this? or something that makes it difficult to do?
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the300zxmaster Member
Posts: 66 From: Statesboro, ga Registered: Aug 2010
When the gas exits the cylinder head it is at it's hottest. As the gas cools, the volume of gasses decrease. Porting the exhaust manifolds will make a much larger difference than anything past the cat. The second biggest thing you can do for the exhaust is to port the Y pipe. Beyond that the changes won't make as much of a difference.
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Well that makes sense, I just figured the true dual would also give it a meaner sound with a hlittle better air flow. Ill just stick with the stock setup and port the y-pipe to keep it simple, I would like a magnaflow racing muffler but its gonna be hard to find a muffler to match the way the fieros muffler is.
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10:45 PM
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Just ordered the clutch fork bearing, exhaust manifold gaskets, dog bone bushings, the seal for the clutch fork, and stud kit for the exhaust manifold.
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Also another question. I love this intake at the top of this length... http://www.westcoastfiero.com/intake/intake.html would it fit my 2.8? It says 2.8-3.4, but would it do fine on my 2.8? i Like how its in the fender well, and right behing the side scoop.
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Oct 14th, 2010
fierofool Member
Posts: 12912 From: Auburn, Georgia USA Registered: Jan 2002
Any intake that pulls its air from inside the engine compartment is breathing thinner, hot air. In the case of the Fiero, the colder the air, the more dense, so you're better to leave the stock setup. If you want to improve the stock breathing, you might want to try a K&N filter. A little pricey on the initial purchase, but over the long term, the recharge kit will save you some money compared to replacing conventional filters. The recharge kit IIRC is about $20 and will do the filter 5 or 6 times.
The description says the filter is inside the fenderwell, meaning you will have to remove something, probably the fender well liner in order to service the filter.
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the300zxmaster Member
Posts: 66 From: Statesboro, ga Registered: Aug 2010
Any intake that pulls its air from inside the engine compartment is breathing thinner, hot air. In the case of the Fiero, the colder the air, the more dense, so you're better to leave the stock setup. If you want to improve the stock breathing, you might want to try a K&N filter. A little pricey on the initial purchase, but over the long term, the recharge kit will save you some money compared to replacing conventional filters. The recharge kit IIRC is about $20 and will do the filter 5 or 6 times.
The description says the filter is inside the fenderwell, meaning you will have to remove something, probably the fender well liner in order to service the filter.
I will have to find the links but it looked as if you remove the tube that elbows up into the stock air canister and it provides just enough room for the filter to go into the opening created by removing that piece and it is then fed by the side duct contraption. I imagine a light shroud could be fabricated to close off any small opening from the fender well to engine bay.
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Oct 15th, 2010
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Posts: 749 From: Statesboro, GA Registered: Aug 2010
Got the clutch disc and flywheel installed today. Got all the openings on the exhaust manifold grinded, just have to smooth it a lil more, and do the piece on the inside. The grinding stones that came with the air tool were brittle and I went through about 5 of them.
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Oct 16th, 2010
phonedawgz Member
Posts: 17091 From: Green Bay, WI USA Registered: Dec 2009
Yeah as a general rule, the harder a thing is the more brittle it is. Bend a good knife blade and it snaps. Do the same with soft steel and it bends. Take your time grinding, make sure you wear eye protection and don't worry too much if you use up a few grinding stones.
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12:33 PM
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Ok, thanks for the heads up. Well I was looking at the engine balance sheet from when the PO installed the remanufactured engine, and come to find out my engine is bored .40 over.
On a seperate note, I need some extra tips on porting the y pipe. I don't exactly understand what and where to cut and dremel. I couldn't find a step by step thread.
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Oct 17th, 2010
86FIFI Member
Posts: 749 From: Statesboro, GA Registered: Aug 2010
Will the 87 GT rims fit on my 86 SE? And are they any lighter than my rims? I think I can work out a trade with a guy for his GT rims but before I ge them I want to make sure they fit.
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02:56 PM
86FIFI Member
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Also, when porting the exhaust manifolds, do I grind away the flaps in the main chamber on the manifolds. Seems like they are pretty restrictive as well.
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phonedawgz Member
Posts: 17091 From: Green Bay, WI USA Registered: Dec 2009