On the one hand it would be a unique One-Of-A-Kind swap. Would most likely catch it from both the honda camp and the GM camp. Its your car, spend your money how ever you want to
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17Car Member
Posts: 482 From: Morrisdale, PA Registered: Jun 2009
I think the s2000 engine is loosely based on the newer k-series motors which are normal rotation engines. the older b,f and d-series stuff was reverse rotation. The s2000 is front engine rearwheel drive which would make mounting it up tricky. If I was to pick a honda motor to use, I'd probably go with a k24 with the rsx type s or tsx cylinder head. Plenty of torque down low(for a four cylinder anyway) and the ability to rev to the sky when you wanted to. Plus it's fwd so you could use its trans and just figure mounts and axles out.
As someone mentioned, those engines are just despicable if you're under 6k.. It would be a downgrade from a 2.8 IMO unless you just want your car to be able to rev out to 8 grand.
Originally posted by nitroheadz28: It would be a downgrade from a 2.8 IMO unless you just want your car to be able to rev out to 8 grand.
Seriously? They both weigh roughly the same and the 2.8 cuts out a 7.5 0-60 with a 16.2 in the quarter mile and the S2000 can pull out a 5.7 to 60 and run a 14.1 Talk about a downgrade.... Oh and they can run out to 9k.
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Raydar Member
Posts: 41112 From: Carrollton GA. Out in the... country. Registered: Oct 1999
Seriously? They both weigh roughly the same and the 2.8 cuts out a 7.5 0-60 with a 16.2 in the quarter mile and the S2000 can pull out a 5.7 to 60 and run a 14.1 Talk about a downgrade.... Oh and they can run out to 9k.
I didn't say they couldn't pull a decent 0-60. Just said (actually paraphrased from C&D) that you'd have to drive the dog snot out of it in order to do it. You might be able to bang off a fast 0-60, but i don't think you'll do it frequently, without breaking something, or cooking a clutch.
I didn't say they couldn't pull a decent 0-60. Just said (actually paraphrased from C&D) that you'd have to drive the dog snot out of it in order to do it. You might be able to bang off a fast 0-60, but i don't think you'll do it frequently, without breaking something, or cooking a clutch.
Guys have no problem doing it, its made to be a track car and it shows, they really do take the abuse. Also with that, I think if some one did put the S2k engine in a Fiero it most likely wouldn't be a daily but something to beat the snot out of. Plus, it doesn't make enough torque to really break anything.
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nitroheadz28 Member
Posts: 4774 From: Brooklyn, NY Registered: Mar 2010
Seriously? They both weigh roughly the same and the 2.8 cuts out a 7.5 0-60 with a 16.2 in the quarter mile and the S2000 can pull out a 5.7 to 60 and run a 14.1 Talk about a downgrade.... Oh and they can run out to 9k.
I should have meant more specifically as using it as a daily driver, the powerband- no thanks. Its not a downgrade looking at it on paper, in terms of driveability it is IMO.
I should have meant more specifically as using it as a daily driver, the powerband- no thanks. Its not a downgrade looking at it on paper, in terms of driveability it is IMO.
I think you should get out and just test drive one, I daily drive an RX8 and I make 5 more ft/lb of torque at 158ft/lb and really, it's not a big deal at all. I never have to downshift to pass some one or make it up a hill, everything is smooth. The s2000 is identical. I've met an S2000 and that thing just walked all over my 8. Just giving credit to honda for making one hell of an engine thats all.
I think you should get out and just test drive one, I daily drive an RX8 and I make 5 more ft/lb of torque at 158ft/lb and really, it's not a big deal at all. I never have to downshift to pass some one or make it up a hill, everything is smooth. The s2000 is identical. I've met an S2000 and that thing just walked all over my 8. Just giving credit to honda for making one hell of an engine thats all.
I've raced 1 on the highway and 1 off a light to about 70 in an auto 2.2L Cobalt.. On the highway the difference was there, but from a stop we were dead even until about 50. I know it doesn't mean much, but its the experience I've had with them. I'm not knocking it at all- hell I suppose that powerband would fit the personality of our cars well. I suppose I just like an engine that has a little more balls down low.
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My son just sold his s2000, and it seemed to be pretty strong compared to the 2.8 thats in the fiero now. i knew the engine wasn't too big and you can still get many aftermarket products for it. i was wanting to install a 3800 but was just thinking was anything else avaliable. just hate to put a 100,000 mile motor in a car. its hard to find a low mileage 3800.im appericate all the responds. thanks glbottoms
The best place for an s2000 engine would be in a caterham lotus 7 replica.
Hah. When I was searching for more info on the S2K engine yesterday, one of the links I came across was a post on a more general auto forum, asking if anyone had used one in a 7 replica.
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RULOOKIN Member
Posts: 1157 From: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jan 2010
problem with it is you have to use the S2000 cluster or computer will not work, where i build my car there a a few guys dropping S2000 motors in older datsons to make drift cars, they use the cluster, wont look so nice in a fiero dash but for the drift cars they dont care !
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hogrunr Member
Posts: 25 From: cleveland,tennessee usa Registered: May 2010
Let's take a look at this one from another angle. The Honda engines are good engines, however, the transaxle in the Fiero is meant for a medium reving higher torque engine. If you want a Fiero to get up and go you need torque through the working rpm. This means the high revving Honda motors just aren't designed for the platform. Why is it that swappers enjoy the 4.9, 3800sc and sbc's? It is because they all are good torquers to one degree or the other.
An engine that doesn't come alive until 6000 rpm is just no good for a Fiero.
Originally posted by Arns85GT: Let's take a look at this one from another angle. The Honda engines are good engines, however, the transaxle in the Fiero is meant for a medium reving higher torque engine. If you want a Fiero to get up and go you need torque through the working rpm. This means the high revving Honda motors just aren't designed for the platform.
Why would one have to keep the stock Fiero transaxle? A large number of the GM engine swaps don't even do that. No reason the NSX transaxle couldn't be bolted up behind the F22C1 engine from the S2K.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Originally posted by Arns85GT: Why is it that swappers enjoy the 4.9, 3800sc and sbc's? It is because they all are good torquers to one degree or the other.
I'm going to have to say its probably because it's all gm to gm making it a lot easier and more cost effective for the gains. Also because its so well documented that nearly any one with the least bit of mechanical experience can do it. No one on here wants to spend a lot of money for an extra 100hp. Plus if people were going to swap in a honda engine I doubt that anything else in the rear is going to be Fiero related... Look at Zedder 24, he using a 4g63 and transmission out of an eclipse. I believe "The Fieromaster" is also doing this or has it done.
At the end of the day its not because the Fiero isn't made for it, it's because no one wants to spend the money for something unique when they can spend less money on a proven swap that will make more power.
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RotrexFiero Member
Posts: 3692 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Jul 2002
If i went with the 3800 sc engine and had the engine already, what would it cost to get one installed. i don't want to tackle something like this but the car has alredy been restored. thanks glbottoms
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RotrexFiero Member
Posts: 3692 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Jul 2002
