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Project Genisis Lo Budget 3800SC by hercimer01
Started on | : 05-05-2011 01:13 AM |
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Last post by | : hercimer01 on 03-17-2012 02:50 PM |
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May 5th, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Well here it is. The start of something good. This is what I have so far. _1.jpg) 86 GT 49K miles 4 speed (bad motor) _1.jpg) .jpg)  The donor, 1998 GTP 130K miles   The motor.  Fierox moumts, I have them this is his pic. I like pics by the way, so be prepared for more. What do you guys think? ------------------ Red 88 Formula 3.4 pr 4 speed automatic Black 86 GT 3800 SC automatic swap in progress [This message has been edited by hercimer01 (edited 08-03-2011).]
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01:13 AM
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fierogt27 Member Posts: 836 From: Jacksonville, NC Registered: Jan 2011
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Well, whats going to make it low budget?
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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I was wondering the same thing. LOL I have 300 at least into this.
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01:56 AM
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Seriously though, I really am just going to go mild on the motor (gaskets only and maybe a pulley). The wiring harness i ca do my self and the trans 4t65EHD will be redone through bartering. My buddy used to work at Maaco so I bought a new spray gun today for him to use.
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02:01 AM
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May 12th, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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MS95744 Supercharger Gasket w/2 Yellow O-rings MS98014T Aluminum Intake Manifold Gaskets VS50465R Valve Cover Gaskets This is what I'm going to buy tomorrow. Is there any thing else I should get for the engine? That is gasket wise? My coupler seems to be good. [This message has been edited by hercimer01 (edited 12-15-2011).]
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01:31 AM
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darkhorizon Member Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
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Skip the oil pan gasket.. It wont fix the problem, the oil pan itself is the broken part. Alot of RTV on the old gasket works well enough.
In terms of the trans.. If it isnt broke dont fix it.. and if it is, get a junkyard trans.
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08:09 PM
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1fatcat Member Posts: 1519 From: Zimmerman, Mn Registered: Dec 2010
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Get an oil pump pick up tube gasket and a tube of silicone sealer for the pan gasket. If you reuse the old one, make sure to clean ALL the oil off. Silicone sealer will not stick to oil. But as Darkhorizon said, you can reuse the pan gasket as long as ALL the oil is cleaned off (needs to be rediculously clean of oil). And silicone both sides of the new or used gasket. The pan has ripples in the sealing surface from the factory, and one side of the pan gasket does not have a high protruding seal, it's almost flush with the plastic frame. So you want to use a good sealer.
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09:32 PM
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CarverToo Member Posts: 374 From: Winchester, VA 22603 Registered: Apr 2009
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What's the issue regarding the oil pan? Ah, I see. Thanks 1fatcat! [This message has been edited by CarverToo (edited 05-12-2011).]
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09:32 PM
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RotrexFiero Member Posts: 3692 From: Pittsburgh, PA Registered: Jul 2002
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Paid $500 for my 3800SC, did my own mounts, and a lot of other fabrication (exhaust, wiring, alt mount). That's keeping it on the cheap side. Aside from the engine, it's all the other little stuff like fuel lines, hoses, CA intake, and belts that adds up.
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09:41 PM
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May 13th, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Thanks guys for all the input. I bought all the gaskets today before I was able to read this. I think I will return the oil pan gasket, but it comes with the pickup tube gasket. I wasn't able to find a part number at Autozone for the oil tube gasket, maybe I can find one at Napa. I paid $119.00 plus tax. I did make them price match the LIM MS98014T to Rock Auto at 50.79. I paid list for every thing else. I could have gotten them to match everything else. Oh, and I did get a tube of Permatex black silicone. EDIT; I did return the oil pan gasket, I still need the oil pickup tube gasket P/N. [This message has been edited by hercimer01 (edited 05-13-2011).]
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12:48 AM
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by RotrexFiero:
Paid $500 for my 3800SC, did my own mounts, and a lot of other fabrication (exhaust, wiring, alt mount). That's keeping it on the cheap side. Aside from the engine, it's all the other little stuff like fuel lines, hoses, CA intake, and belts that adds up. |
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I paid 500 for my GTP too. I got the 86 GT (the motor had a rod knock, 40K MI, go figure) and an 86 SE (running with no title) for $1300. I sold the 86 SE for $400 and took a set of good BFG radial TA's off it. So $900 for the gt with good tires and spotless interior. [This message has been edited by hercimer01 (edited 05-13-2011).]
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by darkhorizon:
In terms of the trans.. If it isnt broke dont fix it.. and if it is, get a junkyard trans. |
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I have friend who has me RR transmissions so he can rebuild them in his garage. He wants me to rebuild it, $500 for parts and he will step me through the rebuild for one RR in exchange. I can work off the money, 200 for each RR. That's how I paid for the motor gaskets. The tranny fluid was pitch black with 130K miles. Honestly, I want to take my chances with the trans as is, new fluid and filter. I drove it before i took it apart and it seemed fine. What do you guys think.
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Its like Christmas!  I returned the oil pan gasket and edited the prices.
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05:25 PM
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darkhorizon Member Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
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| quote | Originally posted by hercimer01:
I have friend who has me RR transmissions so he can rebuild them in his garage. He wants me to rebuild it, $500 for parts and he will step me through the rebuild for one RR in exchange. I can work off the money, 200 for each RR. That's how I paid for the motor gaskets.
The tranny fluid was pitch black with 130K miles. Honestly, I want to take my chances with the trans as is, new fluid and filter. I drove it before i took it apart and it seemed fine. What do you guys think. |
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I would let it ride... I love these transmissions myself.
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05:28 PM
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Thanks DarkHorizon. I think I will let it ride.
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May 14th, 2011
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RCR Member Posts: 4416 From: Shelby Twp Mi Registered: Sep 2002
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Looks like a nice project. Good luck. Also, a note from my 7yo daughter: "You spelled Genesis wrong" - Genesis  Bob
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Oops.
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01:33 PM
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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I removed more body panels today for paint.
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May 17th, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Should I have cleaned the grime off before I took it apart?
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fierogt27 Member Posts: 836 From: Jacksonville, NC Registered: Jan 2011
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well go ahead and take off the LIM and take the TB off the supercharger and clean everything separate. It will be a lot easier.
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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May 18th, 2011
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fierogt27 Member Posts: 836 From: Jacksonville, NC Registered: Jan 2011
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I know your trying to do low budget but go ahead and fork over the 50 dollars for the aluminum gasket. especially if your going to continue moding it Edited because my stupid computer auto corrects [This message has been edited by fierogt27 (edited 05-18-2011).]
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04:13 AM
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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| quote | Originally posted by hercimer01:
MS98014T Aluminum Intake Manifold Gaskets
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These are aluminum right? What do you mean by "molding it"
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04:23 AM
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fierogt27 Member Posts: 836 From: Jacksonville, NC Registered: Jan 2011
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yea man your good on that gasket
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06:17 PM
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May 21st, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Installed the LIM today. 
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May 22nd, 2011
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Niterrorz Member Posts: 4119 From: Registered: Sep 2010
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wow looks great your not to far from me id love to come check it out sometime.
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Niterrorz, PM sent. I painted the valve covers.
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May 24th, 2011
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jasonfox Member Posts: 818 From: virginia Registered: Oct 2010
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I would have plugged those coolant passages to the TB in the LIM.
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May 29th, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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I was out of town this week. I was looking forward to getting back to work on the engine. I painted the throttle body and supercharger. 
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05:37 AM
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engine man Member Posts: 5309 From: Morriston FL Registered: Mar 2006
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i don't know about the low budget part but it looks like it will be a nice swap and nice car looks good
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Lo Budget here means money spent to get it done. I dont plan to go go with elaborate setups, ie expensive. This thread is for a swapper to follow so they can plan on how much it will cost to get it done before they start.
The work i just did on the motor is the cost of gaskets and spray paint and elbow grease.
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Jun 1st, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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And the fuel rails painted.   [This message has been edited by hercimer01 (edited 06-01-2011).]
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12:18 AM
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Is this the right Oil Filter adapter (98 GTP)? Its getting the 4T65EHD, The Fiero is an 86. Ill be using my fierox mounts.  Edit; It turns out the oil pressure switch on the 98 GTP is two pin. It needs to be replaced by one from an 88 2.8 or equivalent. (3 pin for the gauge.) [This message has been edited by hercimer01 (edited 07-09-2011).]
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Jun 8th, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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I got the 2.8 engine off the cradle finally. The cradle is in really good shape for a northern Illinois car but still needs to be sand blasted. I found someone local who said he would do it cheap. I don't know how much yet, I will drop it off this weekend. [This message has been edited by hercimer01 (edited 06-08-2011).]
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Jun 11th, 2011
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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Before  After, primer only($120)
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hercimer01 Member Posts: 2308 From: Rockford IL. Registered: Mar 2008
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My Prothane bushings are on the way.
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Jun 12th, 2011
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darkhorizon Member Posts: 12279 From: Flint Michigan Registered: Jan 2006
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| quote | Originally posted by hercimer01:
Is this the right Oil Filter adapter (98 GTP)? Its getting the 4T65EHD, The Fiero is an 86. Ill be using my fierox mounts.
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Yep, that will work fine.
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americasfuture2k Member Posts: 7131 From: Edmond, Oklahoma Registered: Jan 2006
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| quote | Originally posted by hercimer01:
Thanks guys for all the input. I bought all the gaskets today before I was able to read this. I think I will return the oil pan gasket, but it comes with the pickup tube gasket. I wasn't able to find a part number at Autozone for the oil tube gasket, maybe I can find one at Napa.
I paid $119.00 plus tax. I did make them price match the LIM MS98014T to Rock Auto at 50.79. I paid list for every thing else. I could have gotten them to match everything else.
Oh, and I did get a tube of Permatex black silicone.
EDIT; I did return the oil pan gasket, I still need the oil pickup tube gasket P/N.
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whoa i did not know you could get AZ to price match things you find on rock. i need to start enforcing this every time i go to AZ. maybe even oreillys, advance and napa will.
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americasfuture2k Member Posts: 7131 From: Edmond, Oklahoma Registered: Jan 2006
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 looks good.
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