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M90 Supercharged 4.9 and Short Distributor w/ External coil by FriendOfYours
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Originally posted by 1fatcat:

Also, where's the alternator going to go?


Heres a bad photo of where I have the alternator mounted. I used one off a 3800, I have yet to wire it though. Good news is that the top of the intake manifold has a lot of extra room =)

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any progress ?
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Any updates ??
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...I plan to do what you guys are doing ,,,, but in a slightly different way,,,,,,

I plan to cut OFF the part of the supercharger that would hit the distributor... and duct the throttle mount above the distributor without having to modify the cap

...I plan to cut the supercharger in a couple of days.... and I will post some photos
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I thought of cutting it as well but I was too scared. good luck =)
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I would like to see better pictures of your low alternator mounting set up. I did a search and came up with this "https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20120111-2-111991.html" .

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Originally posted by bamman:

I would like to see better pictures of your low alternator mounting set up. I did a search and came up with this "https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Archives/Archive-000001/HTML/20120111-2-111991.html" .



Those are some good ones on the link you posted.

Here are some of my pics. Right now im not going to use the extra idler between the crank and alternator. I might have to though.

http://i.imgur.com/NFgZY.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NqGYA.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yJzKT.jpg
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....I have made some great progress on my version of the supercharged 4.9

After a great deal of thought, measuring, and test fitting .... I was able to get the supercharger to fit under the hood.... without cutting off the throttle mount

The coil will need to be remotely located and the 8 cable terminals on the distributor cap will need to be "bent" to a position so that the spark plug wires will be plugged in horizontally.

.....The best part is that it is going to fit WITH the stock 4.9 alternator in its original position !!! I did some grinding on the bottom of the alternator mount so that the alternator will sit as low as possible... and grinded down one of the ribbs on the supercharger extension housing

It is very fortunate that the extension housing on the GM M90 supercharger is very long.... if it was any shorter, the alternator would not fit.
It is also very fortunate that the fiero hood has a bubble.... The supercharger wouldn't fit without it

I will try to get some photos taken and hopefully posted tomorro

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Here is a before shot.....



...I been driving this for several years now... and the time has come for a performance upgrade

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Originally posted by MaxCubes:

....I have made some great progress on my version of the supercharged 4.9

After a great deal of thought, measuring, and test fitting .... I was able to get the supercharger to fit under the hood.... without cutting off the throttle

The coil will need to be remotely located and the 8 cable terminals on the distributor cap will need to be "bent" to a position so that the spark plug wires will be plugged in horizontally.

.....The best part is that it is going to fit WITH the stock 4.9 alternator in its original position !!! I did some grinding on the bottom of the alternator mount so that the alternator will sit as low as possible... and grinded down one of the ribbs on the supercharger extension housing

It is very fortunate that the extension housing on the GM M90 supercharger is very long.... if it was any shorter, the alternator would not fit.
It is also very fortunate that the fiero hood has a bubble.... The supercharger wouldn't fit without it

I will try to get some photos taken and hopefully posted tomorro


With the M90 pulley aligned you definitely have to move the coil to fit it under the hood. I'm interested in the remote coil =)
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Originally posted by MaxCubes:

The coil will need to be remotely located and the 8 cable terminals on the distributor cap will need to be "bent" to a position so that the spark plug wires will be plugged in horizontally.



Sounds like you adapted a Vortec distributor to the Caddy 4.9?
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Ok... here is my hack job in progress.... it barely... and I mean bearly fits under the hood...


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obvoiusly I still need to weld up a plenum under the supercharger....


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The best news is that the distributor actually fits without modification to the cap .... barely!!! ... a lot would depend on how high your 4.9 sits on the cradle...


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Here you can how the alternator barely fits... I had to grind off a rib on the extension housing and grind on the underside of the alternator mount so that the alternator would sit as low as possible...


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Here you can see I grinded away on the underside of the alternator mount.... This bracket is modified to sit low and previously modified to fit on the Allante intake also...


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Here is a view of the belt arrangement I will be running with belt being loosely test fitted...


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Here is a view of my small belt tensioner assembly... I didn't need to do any changes to it for the supercharger...


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A view of the tensioner installed...


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Like I said, It all barely fits... Hood closed, you can see how high the supercharger pulley sits ... I had to grind on the vent fins a little bit so the pulley and belt wouldn't rubb...

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In this shot you can see the chunk I had to grind off the hood to clear the supercharger extension housing...

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Another view...


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I dont see any pictures
EDIT :Opened in internet explorer and it worked.

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Any chance a ZZP inner cooler could fill the gap ??

Pics show up fine..
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Would probably make the blower sit to high and hit the deck lid. Granted I am personally not against cutting the deck lid and adding a scoop.

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Any chance a ZZP inner cooler could fill the gap ??



Hmmmm.... Good idea !!

The kits are quite pricey... but... after looking at the design it looks basicly like a simple heater core stuffed into a spacer

.... since I still need to fabricate a plenum... it looks like it may be possible to simply design one with a heater core (intercooler) integrated within.... without needing to make it any higher... I may have plenty of room to do this since my supercharger sits so high to clear the distributor and alternator anyway

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You can put a smaller pulley on it, that will help a little for clearance.

 
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Like I said, It all barely fits... Hood closed, you can see how high the supercharger pulley sits ... I had to grind on the vent fins a little bit so the pulley and belt wouldn't rubb...



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ok..some progress today on getting a plenum made for the supercharger.
I found some nice thick 1/4 inch iron plates and started measuring, drilling, grinding and test fitting.
Lots and lots of measuring before I weld...
And will post some more pictures soon
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Why steel rather than aluminum?
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Yes aluminum would be lighter... But steel is less likely to warp during welding.
I'm much more familier with welding on steel... It wont look as good as aluminum, but it will not be seen anyway... once the supercharger is bolted on.
The strength of steel is a plus in this case... especially with the stress of a heavy belt driven supercharger riding on top.

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... a few quick words on my progress...

First the good news...
It looks like I will be able to keep both the bypass valve and pvc valve on the supercharger functional.

Bad news...
It will not have an intercooler... Just not enough space to squeeze in a decent size intercooler.
.... a very small one would fit... But then it wouldn't cool the air efficiently and would be a flow restriction.
If I wanted to put in a big efficient intercooler then I would have to raise the supercharger even higher and cut a huge hole in the hood and right side grill to clear (not what I want to do)
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Ok... some more hack job photos.... ....



The lower plenum portion.
...used an allante plenum gasket and some yellow paint and drilled away
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test fitting the lower portion of the plenum on the engine...



....There are 10 holes in this plate of metal... .wherever there was a threaded hole in the Allante intake... I drilled a corresponding hole
The four studs for the Allante upper plenum is not sufficient for a supercharger plenum.
The supercharger is big and heavy and belt driven and it takes force to drive it... and needs a strong base to hold it
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wouldn't it be easier to adapt it to the stock 4.9 TBI style intake with the injectors in the ports? also can you use a distributorless ignition system on it to save space also?
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And here is the the upper portion of the plenum (where the supercharger will mount on).....


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Test fitting the upper portion of the plenum...



I still have more grinding to do on this plate.... so I can have a little access to bolts and nuts below

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Top view...



....still need to weld on the walls... a sort of funnel to the lower 8 ports
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another view with supercharger in place...


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