Finally got the 2.8 in my 86 SE project to run properly. Now I need to do the brakes and looking at the bleed valves indicates I'll be replacing all calipers and likely flex lines as they are original. The Ogre's cave indicates using the MC is NOT recommended as it ends up creating MC problems. I don't have a vacuum pump and I'm having some difficulty finding a $20. version as mentioned by the Ogre. Has anyone ever tried to bleed brake lines using an air compressor and the venturi effect. What I am proposing is a clear plastic bleed line (line 1) from thre bleed valve into one side of plastic "Y" connector (say left side of the top of the "Y"). The output of the "Y" (the foot of the "Y") would have a clear plastic tube (line 3) into a recovery container (clear container so you can see what is happening). The other side of the "Y" (opposite of the bleed line) would have another piece of clear plastic tubing connected (line 2). If my theory holds water (or should I say brake fluid), applying compressed air to line 2 should create a vacuum in line1 and draw the brake fluid though the lines from the MC. Watching line 1 will tell you when all the air has been bled out (line 3 and the recovery container won't tell you anything because your using air to create the vacuum). COMMENTS/INPUT APPRECIATED.
You could try, but I think you would need a fair amount of air flow to generate enough vacuum to pull the fluid.
Have you though of using Speed Bleeders? They are a bleeder with a one-way check valve so that you can bleed the brakes by yourself using the 'pump' method. Other than that, have you tried Princess Auto for the vacuum system?
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blander66 Member
Posts: 285 From: Ann Arbor MI Registered: Sep 2010
Are you thinking somthing like this? I used to work at a vette restorition shop and I used one of these to bleed brakes. It is by far one of the best methods I have used. Speed bleeders are the fastest Method I have use.
I see no issues with your method above, I have a AC vacuum pump that works off the venturi effect and that will pull almost 30 inch of vacuum!
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fieroguru Member
Posts: 12453 From: Champaign, IL Registered: Aug 2003
Make sure the diaphram is installed to keep the air seperate from the brake fluid, keep the pressure low (5-10 psi), and don't let it run out of fluid.
Too much pressure and you can spray your front compartment and fenders with brake fluid...
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85 SE VIN 9 Member
Posts: 690 From: Harwood Heights, IL, USA Registered: Apr 2010
The hard part is getting the bleeders open without breaking them off. In my humble opinion and unfortunate experience, you probably need new calipers, hoses, and lines. Bleeding the brakes may be the easiest part. I used speed bleeders, but now I have a leak in a hard line. Good luck!
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fieroguru Member
Posts: 12453 From: Champaign, IL Registered: Aug 2003
The hard part is getting the bleeders open without breaking them off.
Make sure to hit the top of the bleeder screws a few times with a hammer before trying to loosen them. It might mushroom the top of the bleeder slightly, but they will still work, and the impact normally helps the bleeders come out w/o snapping them off.
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ottercomet Member
Posts: 50 From: Whitby Ontario Canada Registered: Aug 2011
Make sure to hit the top of the bleeder screws a few times with a hammer before trying to loosen them. It might mushroom the top of the bleeder slightly, but they will still work, and the impact normally helps the bleeders come out w/o snapping them off.
This vehicle sat for 15 years. I have already sheared off the bleader valve on the right rear caliper and that was after soaking it with liquid wrench a couple of times a day for about 5 days. I'll try the hammer trick with the liquid wrench on the next one but I'm not holding out much hope. Visual inspections shows a lot of corrosion - almost as though they were welded together. The previous owner drove it in winter and around here they use a lot of salt on the roads. But nothing venrured nothing gained. I was at PartSource today and they have calipers on sale - I'm going to order all 4 while they are on sale - If I can ge the valves open, I can always return the parts. As far as bleeding, fieroguru's idea and photos (male compressor fitting in a master cylinder cap looks like the simplest and least expensive.
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Sep 7th, 2012
aaron88 Member
Posts: 280 From: Ottawa, Canada Registered: Oct 2003
I have one of these, smaller version of what was posted above: It works well, and really quick. I've seen chinese knockoffs at the tool store cheap lately. It uses a fair bit of CFM with the throttle open fully. Rated at 4.3cfm @ 90psi. Supposed to suck 26" Hg. So, yes, if you can rig up your own, it'll work. Nothing much to the design of the thing. Air flows over tube going into container, creating a vacuum. Another hose comes off the container that goes to your bleeder screw.