My explanation is... I forgot. Seriously. With the exhaust and the fire, my mind was all over the place. I forgot simple things like his wheel cap covers and decklid vents. If he comes down this weekend I'll give them to him or I can ship them
I really wish I would have had more time to make it look better, but I spent much more time pulling the cradle in and out, fixing things that shouldn't have gone wrong
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Purple86GT Member
Posts: 1592 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Mar 2012
My explanation is... I forgot. Seriously. With the exhaust and the fire, my mind was all over the place. I forgot simple things like his wheel cap covers and decklid vents. If he comes down this weekend I'll give them to him or I can ship them
Ok.. fair enough.. I won't lie, I'm not impressed but at least Capt got his car back and hopefully I get a kit some time soon...
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
I've got your parts together Capt and the dogbone that is on that motor is the wrong one, that is the old one that came with the Cadillac. I took it off to get to the back end of the motor and got them mixed up as the new one is sitting right here
If I'm not mistake that one is literally in half on the inside, you should be able to tell by grabbing the rubber
The Fuel Pressure Gauge that was on the fuel Rail I need that as well.
So far the list is
Both Rocker Support Beams. From the sounds of it, I am going to NEED THOSE. Wheel Covers Both Engine Covers Fuel Pressure Gauge My Solid Dogbone. Those are expensive joints. If you have it, I would like my old exhaust back. This one hangs really low and frankly is louder than my straight through bottle muffler. My old Poly Mounts, I know one was completely toast, but I plan to drill right through it and bolt it together, so at rest it is sitting on poly but when its under load it will act as a solid mount as the bolts will hold it together. I am also going to order the complete Poly Kit from Dickman.
Please get all these parts together and I will come to the shop and pick them up on either Wednesday or Thursday, as well as pick up the balance of cash.
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Hey status on my kit as well? Sent a pm with no responce. Any chance you could ship out the parts you finished so i can get a move on with the swap itd be nice to get even the fuel pumpso ican install my gas tank
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Zac88GT Member
Posts: 1024 From: Victoria BC Registered: Nov 2004
I'm just throwing this out there but.. What about tossing the cam and slaping a turbo on there? Not a crazy "you need to tune it based on the weather, the blow off valve scares children" turbo, but just a mild 8-10lbs of boost. I think it would give you more power than the cam.
Honeslty... I know little to nothing about the 4.9.. and I own and drive many Caddy's lol.
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The Fuel Pressure Gauge that was on the fuel Rail I need that as well.
So far the list is
Both Rocker Support Beams. From the sounds of it, I am going to NEED THOSE. Wheel Covers Both Engine Covers Fuel Pressure Gauge My Solid Dogbone. Those are expensive joints. If you have it, I would like my old exhaust back. This one hangs really low and frankly is louder than my straight through bottle muffler. My old Poly Mounts, I know one was completely toast, but I plan to drill right through it and bolt it together, so at rest it is sitting on poly but when its under load it will act as a solid mount as the bolts will hold it together. I am also going to order the complete Poly Kit from Dickman.
Please get all these parts together and I will come to the shop and pick them up on either Wednesday or Thursday, as well as pick up the balance of cash.
The gauge is under the bottle, I saw it last night and yes I still have your exhaust. I wouldn't put in on there tho, it's way too small now. I only drove it with the 2.5" twice and it never touched the humps around here, but I'd be happy to rework it when you come. Both the poly mounts were mushroomed, they are gone.
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FieroMaster88 Member
Posts: 7680 From: Mattawan, MI Registered: Nov 2000
Yeah, I'd say broken rocker bridge, collapsed lifter or loose rocker arm. I'm sure if you take it apart you will find something loose or broken. Does it have steel rocker support? It also sounded like it started a little hard, maybe the timing is off causing the glowing manifolds? Whats the fuel pressure at? Oh, and what type of oil is in the car?
What I tried to say but did a poor job of it, is there are 2 separate knocking noises. The loud constant one you could hear easily at fire up and a 2nd one that is a much deeper tone, like a main or rod bearing thumb. Unfortunatly due to the clatter noise you can't hear the other and I don't want to run it long enough to try and get the motor to make the other noise.
I have thought about a Turbo, but I need to get the car to simply run and be driveable before I go with any more mods.
I am going to pull the valve covers and see what is going on. However as I have mentioned I need to go to Oregon for 6 weeks and I am supposed to leave on Wednesday.
The oil is 10w40 with some sort of cam break in additive.
I will check the plug wires when I get a chance. When they went to bring the car up, they did have the engine bay fire and had to replace several of the wires, I guess it is conceivable that a plug wire snuck on in the wrong order. I will have to check that. I am going to look over as much as I can before I have to leave.
I think the most important thing will be to get the rocker bridges and install them. At least then we can rule that out. When I do the bridges I will also check the plug wire routing and check for any other wires that might be intermitantly shorting and such. I am going to toss up a photo gallery later tonight of the car and such.
@ Dallas, I will look under the NOS bottle to see if the Fuel Pressure Gauge is there. If it is Great, I just didn't see it when I was taking all the photo's. The Nitrous Pressure one is there though for sure, as its still attached to the NOS lines.
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
The Fuel Pressure Gauge that was on the fuel Rail I need that as well.
So far the list is
Both Rocker Support Beams. From the sounds of it, I am going to NEED THOSE. Wheel Covers Both Engine Covers Fuel Pressure Gauge My Solid Dogbone. Those are expensive joints. If you have it, I would like my old exhaust back. This one hangs really low and frankly is louder than my straight through bottle muffler. My old Poly Mounts, I know one was completely toast, but I plan to drill right through it and bolt it together, so at rest it is sitting on poly but when its under load it will act as a solid mount as the bolts will hold it together. I am also going to order the complete Poly Kit from Dickman.
Please get all these parts together and I will come to the shop and pick them up on either Wednesday or Thursday, as well as pick up the balance of cash.
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Originally posted by FriendOfYours:
The gauge is under the bottle, I saw it last night and yes I still have your exhaust. I wouldn't put in on there tho, it's way too small now. I only drove it with the 2.5" twice and it never touched the humps around here, but I'd be happy to rework it when you come. Both the poly mounts were mushroomed, they are gone.
Oh and remember to set aside a 4cyl throttle cable.
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
The full gallery of all the photos I took today is at , http://captfiero.com/49foyend The end meaning end of the build.
This picture has several things I am curious about.
The red wires drooping down are unfused power wires I can't get in to really see them, but if they had made contact with the muffler that could have caused a short that burnt of smaller wires leaving the larger ones in tact. One of the reds does appear to be a bit melted. What do you think has turned the muffler that odd sort of brown in a few spots?
And lastly I mentioned in an earlier post, that I would need to replace a few missing bolts, this is one of the ones I did notice. I can see the one is ready to come out, so I am assuming the mount was put in loose to allow for adjustment and then your assistant must have forgotten to go back and tighten it down.
Also I forgot to ask, do you know where the grommets are, and the PCV Line/Valve parts. I am sure they are kicking around someplace. But I do kinda neat to get something in their.
I guess this must have been straight when you assembled it, and as it went through a few heating / cooling cycles has drooped, but it is barley 2 inches from the ground. If you saw in mine, I had a custom dog leg bend put in the old system, as a straight pipe from the muffler to the tip leaves the muffler pointing down. I don't know how to explain a dog leg bend, but it keeps the muffler high, then drops down to clear the cradle and has the tip attached level with the frame and tucked up.
I do want to say, overall the install was cosmetically very nice, and a huge improvement over what the car was. It needs some fine tuning to but if this motor ran right, I would be really pleased with the entire package and would be here ranting and raving about how cool it was.
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Jan 29th, 2013
wftb Member
Posts: 3692 From: kincardine,ontario,canada Registered: Jun 2005
i am really glad you got your car back .this thread had become like an addiction for me .i would open it expecting great things , only to go away disappointed needing a quick pick me up .good luck with the move and good luck with the rest of your build , and have a good sleep , i feel like you have been awake for months .
if you do go turbo, everyone seems to be remembering PBJ's set up bass ackwards. The turbo is a large one, off a 6.7 turbo diesel. The pressure he said it liked best was low, he said it liked to run about 3-5 psi if I recall correctly. As for this thread, I'm like everyone else, at a loss for words. I hope you get it ironed out okay.
Well, I'm trying to be optimistic, that loud "knocking" sound in your video could be something rattling against something else?
I think it's a pushrod hitting the valve cover. I'm guessing that a stud pulled out of a rocker bridge. I believe FOY said that it still had the aluminum rocker bridges. If he's got the steel ones in hand, it should be a simple fix. (It also looked like it had a "miss" from the way it was shaking. That would also point to one cylinder not firing.)
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lou_dias Member
Posts: 5350 From: Warwick, RI Registered: Jun 2000
first post from 10/12/12 "This weekend Capt Fiero is dropping off his baby for a motor swap and it'll be getting our best treatment"
Well I'll be dammed!
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zkhennings Member
Posts: 1931 From: Massachusetts, USA Registered: Oct 2010
Really sorry about all the problems I can't imagine what that must have been like to get bad news after bad news.
I was looking at this picture
And I notice that the nuts on the balljoints are not the crown type that accept a cotter pin to keep them from spinning... Which personally I would replace those with the right type of nuts unless that is the nuts they came with for some reason? But if they are off the shelf nuts I would not leave those there in case they back themselves off
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gen2muchwork Member
Posts: 861 From: dearborn, MI Registered: Feb 2012
Really sorry about all the problems I can't imagine what that must have been like to get bad news after bad news.
I was looking at this picture
And I notice that the nuts on the balljoints are not the crown type that accept a cotter pin to keep them from spinning... Which personally I would replace those with the right type of nuts unless that is the nuts they came with for some reason? But if they are off the shelf nuts I would not leave those there in case they back themselves off
I saw that too. they look like nylock, at least the bottom one. I cant imagine how annoying a nylock nut on a spinning balljoint could be to remove. Personally, I've never seen one used there, but maybe its right idk?
I have seen them come that way new from the box, I feel safer with the cotter key design but these days it seems like more and more are being packaged with nylocks and if you want to go with a cotter key you need to drill a hole for it.
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
Really sorry about all the problems I can't imagine what that must have been like to get bad news after bad news.
I was looking at this picture
And I notice that the nuts on the balljoints are not the crown type that accept a cotter pin to keep them from spinning... Which personally I would replace those with the right type of nuts unless that is the nuts they came with for some reason? But if they are off the shelf nuts I would not leave those there in case they back themselves off
That is the way Moog is doing it now, they have moved away from cotter pins and moved to Nylocks. The first time I saw them on a customers car I was worried. IIRC there is a hole for a cotter pin and I may put a cotter pin in, if these do have the hole for one. I do trust Moog if they say the Nylocks are safe, I'll believe it.
That was one of the jobs that I had FOY do, was install a complete new front suspension, upper and lower controls arms with new moog ball joints in the top and bottom as well as all poly Bushings. In fact it was actually his Father that re-did the front suspension for me while FOY was doing the motor swaps. I met his Dad when they dropped the car off to me. Really nice guy.
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
I think it's a pushrod hitting the valve cover. I'm guessing that a stud pulled out of a rocker bridge. I believe FOY said that it still had the aluminum rocker bridges. If he's got the steel ones in hand, it should be a simple fix. (It also looked like it had a "miss" from the way it was shaking. That would also point to one cylinder not firing.)
Yes this motor does have the aluminum bridges we left the steel ones off of this motor to test the blown head gasket theory. Just in case the other bridges were made wrong and somehow putting pressure in places that it shouldn't.
I am pickup up the steel bridges from FOY in a couple days.
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nosrac Member
Posts: 3520 From: Euless, TX, US Registered: Jan 2005
Yes, It IS definitely BROKEN...and needs to be redone,IMO. Sorry Man, as I know exactly how this feels!
If it were me I would go back 100% STOCK with some poly mounts.
Your lean condition is probably due to the Custom TB/Intake taking in too much air that is NOT compensated by the tune.
Once I get the rockers sorted out, I am going to check the oil pressure again with a mechanical gage, as it was reading 5lbs of oil pressure at idle and barley getting 20lbs at 3000rpms.
With 10w40 it should have been more, but I can't even address the bearing issue until I get rid of the top end knock.
I am also going to get my thermal gun and check to see if it is a bank that is lean, or the entire engine is lean, then as a last ditch I'll grab an adjustable Fuel Pressure Regulator and some Mustang injectors and toss on there. FOY did give me 2 ECM's so I am assuming one ECM has His Tune in it and one my the chip with my Personal Tune in it. I don't have a Wide Band, but I do know where I can borrow one for a few days.
However all of this will have to wait as I am leaving in the Morning for 6 weeks in Oregon.
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
Did you remove the accessory drive belt and start the car?
Oh If it was just Front Caddy Main Bearing Thump I would be ecstatic, however that was not the knock I was hearing. I will however give it a shot, just to rule it out. When I get back from Oregon.
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
I had to move the car out of the way so it can sit while I am gone. (only about 10ft forward) So it gave me another chance to video the engine at varied RPM ranges. I never reved it over 2500 and was moving on a muddy section of grass. (that's why I had to move it, wife did not want it left on the lawn for a month and a half) So while moving it onto the driveway, here is a new video.
I think the deeper knock only shows up when the engine is hot and the oil is thinned out. So there must be 2 totally different issues.
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FieroMaster88 Member
Posts: 7680 From: Mattawan, MI Registered: Nov 2000
I am going to be leaving for Oregon hopefully Wednesday Jan 30th and heading by the shop. Can we arrange a time in the evening to pick up the parts for my car and the balance of the cash? I just sent you an email about it all.
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Purple86GT Member
Posts: 1592 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Mar 2012
I am going to be leaving for Oregon hopefully Wednesday Jan 30th and heading by the shop. Can we arrange a time in the evening to pick up the parts for my car and the balance of the cash? I just sent you an email about it all.
Any chance you can pick up my swap kit at the same time? I tried to contact FOY and so far he has not been returning my messages...
Cheers!
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
Any chance you can pick up my swap kit at the same time? I tried to contact FOUND and so far he has not been returning my messages...
Cheers!
If he has it, I have no problem picking it up for you. He mentioned something about a shipment he had sent out and UPS called him to say they could not deliver the package as no one was there to pay the duty? Was that your kit? So ya if you can get in touch with him about it, and tell him to have it ready with my stuff, I can grab it for you.
Side note, I just finished installing the MSD Digital 6 Plus Ignition Box on my Fiero and re-wired the huge Tach, between those mods and replacing the plugged up cat, I can't belive how well the car is running. It is going to be a joy to run to Oregon with.
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Purple86GT Member
Posts: 1592 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Mar 2012
If he has it, I have no problem picking it up for you. He mentioned something about a shipment he had sent out and UPS called him to say they could not deliver the package as no one was there to pay the duty? Was that your kit? So ya if you can get in touch with him about it, and tell him to have it ready with my stuff, I can grab it for you.
Side note, I just finished installing the MSD Digital 6 Plus Ignition Box on my Fiero and re-wired the huge Tach, between those mods and replacing the plugged up cat, I can't belive how well the car is running. It is going to be a joy to run to Oregon with.
That was my flywheel and filer neck. I refused the duty fees from UPS and self cleared the package through CBSA. I have that package. He said he was going to put my swap kit in your car and forgot as he... as he mentioned in this thread a few posts ago.
Hopefully he will respond to my emails or text message soon. If you can ask him about it it would be awesome.
Thanks!
.. autocorrect on this tablet is driving me crazy..... I had to edit this post 4 times and finally gave up! Lol!
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Capt Fiero Member
Posts: 7657 From: British Columbia, Canada Registered: Feb 2000
Ok Gotcha, Both you and he have all my contact info, so call or text me with what you end up with. Oh if you are texting make sure you send it to 604-807-2623 I don't know if texting will work through call forwarding.
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David Hambleton Member
Posts: 1592 From: Stoney Creek Ontario Canada Registered: Nov 2012
Not to detract from this riveting tale of Fier-woe but since everyone seems to be following it I suggest for shipping to Canada to use United States Parcel Service. I've had several Fiero Store deliveries through USPS & Canada Post & there were no fees other than those paid to the Fiero Store. I used United Pirates Society once & got fees & duties & fees to collect the fees! USPS & Canada Post have online traceability as well. Also, with all due respect to the expectations & efforts of the principal players in this thread, I can't help but wonder if the outcome would have been significantly better if the meticulous Bloozberry style attention to detail had been employed. Too bad he's at the other end of the road (the Trans Canada Higway). Anyway, here's hoping for ultimate success Capt.!
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Jan 30th, 2013
Purple86GT Member
Posts: 1592 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Mar 2012
Not to detract from this riveting tale of Fier-woe but since everyone seems to be following it I suggest for shipping to Canada to use United States Parcel Service. I've had several Fiero Store deliveries through USPS & Canada Post & there were no fees other than those paid to the Fiero Store. I used United Pirates Society once & got fees & duties & fees to collect the fees! USPS & Canada Post have online traceability as well. Also, with all due respect to the expectations & efforts of the principal players in this thread, I can't help but wonder if the outcome would have been significantly better if the meticulous Bloozberry style attention to detail had been employed. Too bad he's at the other end of the road (the Trans Canada Higway). Anyway, here's hoping for ultimate success Capt.!
It seems that using USPS from where FOY is, there is no way of getting tracking information. (this is how my kit apperently originaly got lost...). I have no figured out how to self clear my packages when shipped via UPS. So I don't have to pay their retarded fees. As a matter of fact, when I self clear, it's cheaper than Canada Post brokerage fees.
I'm trying to get in touch with FOY but not having any luck... He said to always be in contact with him before "freaking out" on the forum. I held my word and doing just that. It doesn't seem to be working...
Boy, Capt', that title heading for your thread isn't very appropriate anymore! Having met you and your wife, before, on one of your earlier Oregon trips, I really symathize with your situation. There sure seems to be a number of "experts" taking hard earned Fiero owners money and providing little in return. If I can't do the work, one of my friends can! That's my motto , and I'm sticking to it after seeing everyones problems with getting work done. I sure hope you get it all sorted out.
