will the grill still have the stock plastic protector part behind the new bumper?
as for design i think the yellow or white with the arrowhead in the center and no other lettering or badges on it.
The new bumper will be designed with the egg crate safety material removed. You can see by the large grill openings that there would be no room for the egg crate behind it. For that reason, we'll have to state that this bumper is "for offroad use only".
We are looking into ways to reinforce our nose, though. Our thought now is to try to make some webbing inside the bumper for support and a bit of bump protection. As with all products, you'll have to use our bumper at your own risk.
Couldn't one just fab up a aluminum or steel reinforcement out of flat stock bent to the curves inside the bumper? something like that would also make sag in the future a little less of a worry..
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CrazyDragn Member
Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
I'm thinking maybe some rebar or 1" square tubing welded close to the frame possibly, BoostDreamer is our welder, I will have to talk to him about that. Plausable tho.
The reason I thought alum would be good is lower cost in shipping, its easier to bend up into comlpex shapes and it doesn't rust. Just food for thought lol
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
I just started a thread in the Mall selling floor mats. The procedes from these sales will fund this project. If you want this nose, you might want to help out by buying a pair. Only $25 shipped with Priority Mail.
i would be more comfortable with building the nose around the egg crate safety material. i think you can still get the desired effect with the safety intact
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
i would be more comfortable with building the nose around the egg crate safety material. i think you can still get the desired effect with the safety intact
Look at how much shorter the GTO bumper is overall. Now look at how deep the grills are set in. There isn't going to be much room in there. Like I said though, the stock METAL crash bar will remain in place. I do want to add additional fiberglass or plastic webbing inside the bumper to mimic the purpose of the eggcrate. The eggcrate is designed to be sacrificed in an accident. The braun of the system, the crash bar, will still be there. Need a pic?
Just FYI, sagging won't be a concern on a fiberglass nose. So you won't need any structural support to hold its shape. As long as the fiberglass isn't paper-thin, you'll be fine.
Also, the purpose of the eggcrate material is to absorb energy during an impact, by crushing. Reinforcing the bumper will not absorb energy, but rather will transfer more of it to the chassis. This is exactly the opposite of what the egccrate material does.
Maybe you could use crushable grille material?
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coady Member
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Just FYI, sagging won't be a concern on a fiberglass nose. So you won't need any structural support to hold its shape. As long as the fiberglass isn't paper-thin, you'll be fine.
Also, the purpose of the eggcrate material is to absorb energy during an impact, by crushing. Reinforcing the bumper will not absorb energy, but rather will transfer more of it to the chassis. This is exactly the opposite of what the egccrate material does.
Maybe you could use crushable grille material?
What I want to do is in a sense, re-create the eggcrate as a permanent part of the new bumper by making a web system inside the back of the bumper. I think it would help disperse the force over a larger area.
Use foam inside the bumper.... this will help absorb some of the impact. Modern cars use foam to keep the shape, and to act as the egg crate in the fiero.
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CrazyDragn Member
Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
so pouring the foam will give you not only the best looking bumper out there but the safest as well. good work guys.... starting to put money aside to pay for one of these now....
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
I wouldn't mind putting a $25 option fee down towards the purchase rather than buy floor mat.
I appreciate the offer but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that. At this point we can't guarantee ANYTHING concerning this bumper. What we can guarantee is that all profits from mat sales will fund this project. It would be too easy for this to go south and people would be wanting a product or their money back. That sort of thing can get ugly really fast. I'd rather avoid it.
Very true. Some people don't understand the difference between an option and a down payment. I have faith that if you make this nose, it will be well received.
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jaskispyder Member
Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
I appreciate the offer but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that. At this point we can't guarantee ANYTHING concerning this bumper. What we can guarantee is that all profits from mat sales will fund this project. It would be too easy for this to go south and people would be wanting a product or their money back. That sort of thing can get ugly really fast. I'd rather avoid it.
Didn't Tucker do that with the radio?
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
LOL, you see those two very small shot cups? I only put maybe 1oz in each one to make that big monster - - it slow rised and then BAM!!- - - absolutely awesome!
I just started a thread in the Mall selling floor mats. The procedes from these sales will fund this project. If you want this nose, you might want to help out by buying a pair. Only $25 shipped with Priority Mail.
We have received several offers of investment capital. We very much appreciate the offers and the trust and faith you're extending to us. Unfortunately, we cannot accept those offers. Our greatest fear is that we will disappoint those who have invested. Here's what we CAN do to sweeten the pot - Buy a set of mats for $25. 100% of that money minus materials and shipping will fund this project. When we have a bumper that we are ready to sell, we will give a discount to everyone who bought mats. We will give a $15 credit toward the purchase of the bumper to any member who buys mats. That will mean you get the pair of mats delivered for $10. If, in the end, we fail and cannot offer the bumper, you still got a functional item for your car at a very good price.
This is where we poured the 2 part urethane foam in:
Here you can WATCH IT RISE!!!!!!
We placed enough in the front for us to cut and trim into place. We will be adding the quater panel from sides in after this dries and we get more 2 part urethane in. another note* BoostDreamer made me some Black Floor mats today.
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and then BAM!!- - - absolutely awesome! 
