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'68-69 GTO Nose - The Project has Begun! by Boostdreamer
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Last post by | : BlackEmrald on 05-25-2013 04:22 PM |
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May 8th, 2013
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by FieroDan86:
I vote yellow! The black version just reminded me too much of the 91-92 Firebird "Bat" nose which I hated and thought ruined a good looking car. |
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What about the white one?
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02:23 PM
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fierocarparts Member Posts: 2552 From: Dallas-Fort Worth TEXAS Registered: Feb 2009
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I think black works best. And agree arrowhead in center. Turn signals behind grills. Looking good! May be the next "Must have".
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05:41 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by coady:
will the grill still have the stock plastic protector part behind the new bumper?
as for design i think the yellow or white with the arrowhead in the center and no other lettering or badges on it. |
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The new bumper will be designed with the egg crate safety material removed. You can see by the large grill openings that there would be no room for the egg crate behind it. For that reason, we'll have to state that this bumper is "for offroad use only". We are looking into ways to reinforce our nose, though. Our thought now is to try to make some webbing inside the bumper for support and a bit of bump protection. As with all products, you'll have to use our bumper at your own risk. ------------------ Jonathan
Please join me in prayer that forum member Wichita gives his life to the Lord Jesus. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/100383.html https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/121056.html
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05:43 PM
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jaredmurray88 Member Posts: 1153 From: wellersburg pa Registered: Mar 2011
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Couldn't one just fab up a aluminum or steel reinforcement out of flat stock bent to the curves inside the bumper? something like that would also make sag in the future a little less of a worry..
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07:15 PM
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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jaredmurray88 Member Posts: 1153 From: wellersburg pa Registered: Mar 2011
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The reason I thought alum would be good is lower cost in shipping, its easier to bend up into comlpex shapes and it doesn't rust. Just food for thought lol
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09:37 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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i would be more comfortable with building the nose around the egg crate safety material. i think you can still get the desired effect with the safety intact
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09:53 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by coady:
i would be more comfortable with building the nose around the egg crate safety material. i think you can still get the desired effect with the safety intact |
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Look at how much shorter the GTO bumper is overall. Now look at how deep the grills are set in. There isn't going to be much room in there. Like I said though, the stock METAL crash bar will remain in place. I do want to add additional fiberglass or plastic webbing inside the bumper to mimic the purpose of the eggcrate. The eggcrate is designed to be sacrificed in an accident. The braun of the system, the crash bar, will still be there. Need a pic? ------------------ Jonathan
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10:02 PM
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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that would be really great to help me understand
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10:09 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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Blacktree Member Posts: 20770 From: Central Florida Registered: Dec 2001
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Just FYI, sagging won't be a concern on a fiberglass nose. So you won't need any structural support to hold its shape. As long as the fiberglass isn't paper-thin, you'll be fine. Also, the purpose of the eggcrate material is to absorb energy during an impact, by crushing. Reinforcing the bumper will not absorb energy, but rather will transfer more of it to the chassis. This is exactly the opposite of what the egccrate material does. Maybe you could use crushable grille material? [This message has been edited by Blacktree (edited 05-08-2013).]
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10:23 PM
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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| quote | Originally posted by CrazyDragn:
Wrecking the front of these cars is catistrophical to begin with, just be a safer driver!
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im planning on doing this car for my little girl and when she is old enought to drive it will be hers so yes safety is formost for me on this build.
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11:03 PM
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May 9th, 2013
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by Blacktree:
Just FYI, sagging won't be a concern on a fiberglass nose. So you won't need any structural support to hold its shape. As long as the fiberglass isn't paper-thin, you'll be fine.
Also, the purpose of the eggcrate material is to absorb energy during an impact, by crushing. Reinforcing the bumper will not absorb energy, but rather will transfer more of it to the chassis. This is exactly the opposite of what the egccrate material does.
Maybe you could use crushable grille material?
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What I want to do is in a sense, re-create the eggcrate as a permanent part of the new bumper by making a web system inside the back of the bumper. I think it would help disperse the force over a larger area. ------------------ Jonathan
Please join me in prayer that forum member Wichita gives his life to the Lord Jesus. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/100383.html https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/121056.html
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09:21 AM
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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that sounds great. would rather have to buy a new bumper from you guys instead of my little one hurting herself. keep up the great work....
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09:46 AM
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jaskispyder Member Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
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Use foam inside the bumper.... this will help absorb some of the impact. Modern cars use foam to keep the shape, and to act as the egg crate in the fiero.
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09:59 AM
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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so pouring the foam will give you not only the best looking bumper out there but the safest as well. good work guys.... starting to put money aside to pay for one of these now....
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10:59 AM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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fierocarparts Member Posts: 2552 From: Dallas-Fort Worth TEXAS Registered: Feb 2009
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I wouldn't mind putting a $25 option fee down towards the purchase rather than buy floor mat.
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12:33 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by fierocarparts:
I wouldn't mind putting a $25 option fee down towards the purchase rather than buy floor mat. |
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I appreciate the offer but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that. At this point we can't guarantee ANYTHING concerning this bumper. What we can guarantee is that all profits from mat sales will fund this project. It would be too easy for this to go south and people would be wanting a product or their money back. That sort of thing can get ugly really fast. I'd rather avoid it. ------------------ Jonathan
Please join me in prayer that forum member Wichita gives his life to the Lord Jesus. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/100383.html https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/121056.html
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12:55 PM
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fierocarparts Member Posts: 2552 From: Dallas-Fort Worth TEXAS Registered: Feb 2009
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Very true. Some people don't understand the difference between an option and a down payment. I have faith that if you make this nose, it will be well received.
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01:10 PM
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jaskispyder Member Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
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| quote | Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
I appreciate the offer but I wouldn't feel comfortable with that. At this point we can't guarantee ANYTHING concerning this bumper. What we can guarantee is that all profits from mat sales will fund this project. It would be too easy for this to go south and people would be wanting a product or their money back. That sort of thing can get ugly really fast. I'd rather avoid it.
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Didn't Tucker do that with the radio?
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01:12 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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frickin cool man keep it up lol
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07:03 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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| quote | Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
How much yeast did you put in that cake? Yikes!
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LOL, you see those two very small shot cups? I only put maybe 1oz in each one to make that big monster - - it slow rised and then BAM!!- - - absolutely awesome! ------------------ Notchie to Fast Back Conversion
After Market Steering Wheel Conversion
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09:55 PM
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May 10th, 2013
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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| quote | Originally posted by Boostdreamer:
I just started a thread in the Mall selling floor mats. The procedes from these sales will fund this project. If you want this nose, you might want to help out by buying a pair. Only $25 shipped with Priority Mail.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/065895.html
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We have received several offers of investment capital. We very much appreciate the offers and the trust and faith you're extending to us. Unfortunately, we cannot accept those offers. Our greatest fear is that we will disappoint those who have invested. Here's what we CAN do to sweeten the pot - Buy a set of mats for $25. 100% of that money minus materials and shipping will fund this project. When we have a bumper that we are ready to sell, we will give a discount to everyone who bought mats. We will give a $15 credit toward the purchase of the bumper to any member who buys mats. That will mean you get the pair of mats delivered for $10. If, in the end, we fail and cannot offer the bumper, you still got a functional item for your car at a very good price. ------------------ Jonathan
Please join me in prayer that forum member Wichita gives his life to the Lord Jesus. https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum6/HTML/100383.html https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/121056.html
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09:31 AM
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IROCTAFIERO Member Posts: 791 From: Montgomery, Al USA Registered: May 2005
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This isn't my cup of tea but I really wish you guys the best of luck in this. Always cool to see new things, even if it isn't for you.
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09:36 AM
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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2.5 Member Posts: 43235 From: Southern MN Registered: May 2007
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Any projected cost estimates of purchase price of the bumper at this point?
Have you decided "nose up"(kid of like upside down GTO) or "nose down"(like real GTO) yet?
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04:52 PM
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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May 11th, 2013
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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10:27 PM
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May 13th, 2013
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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it's Monday!!! i can't wait to see the pics of your progress!!!!!!!
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02:08 PM
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Boostdreamer Member Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
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CrazyDragn Member Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
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OK, HERE WE GO: This is the bottom of the plug This is where we put the front of the plug on: This is where we poured the 2 part urethane foam in: Here you can WATCH IT RISE!!!!!! We placed enough in the front for us to cut and trim into place. We will be adding the quater panel from sides in after this dries and we get more 2 part urethane in. another note* BoostDreamer made me some Black Floor mats today. ------------------ Notchie to Fast Back Conversion After Market Steering Wheel Conversion '68-69 GTO Nose Project[This message has been edited by CrazyDragn (edited 05-13-2013).]
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05:29 PM
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coady Member Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
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awesome guys you got me drooling... also would like to see those black mats...
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08:24 PM
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quins&dads88 Member Posts: 64 From: LaCanada, Ca. U.S. Registered: Mar 2013
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You Make......I Shall Buy! Yellow All The Way.
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09:24 PM
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