Ill place pics of my black floor maps up tomorrow, sun is down and you need light to really see these to appreciate BoostDrreamers work. They also help us fund our project so - BUY SOME!!
How about putting the turn signals where the light strips are and making the grill open with hide-away headlights like the GTO?
What's next..A hood tach with a shift light..?
Hideaway headlights would require cutting the crash bar, etc. It would be something someone could do on their own but not something that could be produced in "kit" form.
The headlight doors are separate from the bumper. Not everyone will want those. We have to have a solution that everyone can use. We're still thinking about turn signal placement.
Jonathan
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jaskispyder Member
Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
Just a thought... you should be mocking up the designs on a stock fiero, not a choptop, or other modified body. This could skew the look and feel.
The lights on the opening of the headlight... will that work, as I would think you would need to cut back a lot so as to make them visible, otherwise, they won't be visible straight on, unless you are looking from above.
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coady Member
Posts: 934 From: Ontario, Canada Registered: Aug 2012
i like it but think that the holes should be a little more rounded but not functional. the air should be allowed to flow up from the rad through the add on and out up by the window allowing for great air movement on the rad instead of forcing air down and causing the nose to want to rise at higher speeds. don't you think? i love the fact that you guys are allowing us to be part of the planning and input our thoughts and ideas. also making sure that the finished product is more to the liking of a larger buyer group... very smart on your part!!! keep up the great work!!!
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TXGOOD Member
Posts: 5410 From: Austin, Texas Registered: Feb 2006
Just a thought... you should be mocking up the designs on a stock fiero, not a choptop, or other modified body. This could skew the look and feel.
The lights on the opening of the headlight... will that work, as I would think you would need to cut back a lot so as to make them visible, otherwise, they won't be visible straight on, unless you are looking from above.
I agree, it looks somewhat different on the White car on the first page, as that car has a stock top and it`s not lowered. But maybe that would be more incentive for choptops and lowering components.
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jaskispyder Member
Posts: 21510 From: Northern MI Registered: Jun 2002
Just a thought... you should be mocking up the designs on a stock fiero, not a choptop, or other modified body. This could skew the look and feel.
The lights on the opening of the headlight... will that work, as I would think you would need to cut back a lot so as to make them visible, otherwise, they won't be visible straight on, unless you are looking from above.
We are working off of a stock Formula parts car of mine. It is straight with no damage to the fenders or hood. We will level the car before we begin sculpting. It isn't chopped or anything. For a more "average" view. Look again at the black and gray car. It has the stock height roof.
I don't think the headlight doors will be a problem. I think the photoshop is very realistic. I may not modify the stock doors, I might make new ones.
Some thoughts. If some of the grille is not flow thru, that would be somewhat of an air dam, if that is of any concern. Air that does flow through, will it be more than an original Fiero nose? It looks like it could be. If so air outlets may be warranted, or it could be that headlight lid "pop up" could happen at an earlier speed than the infamous 100mph pop up.
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
i like it but think that the holes should be a little more rounded but not functional. the air should be allowed to flow up from the rad through the add on and out up by the window allowing for great air movement on the rad instead of forcing air down and causing the nose to want to rise at higher speeds. don't you think? i love the fact that you guys are allowing us to be part of the planning and input our thoughts and ideas. also making sure that the finished product is more to the liking of a larger buyer group... very smart on your part!!! keep up the great work!!!
That photoshop is just a quick rendering of an idea. It is not in final form at all. We've got Terry working on a picture for us that is close to being done. We'll post that here when it's ready.
You are right about the air flow. That is the whole idea for this "scoop". It will actually be a beauty cover for the holes in the hood. The idea is to allow the radiator air to escape up and over the car through the outlet at the cowl. Just like you said, to increase cooling air flow and to keep the nose down.
We appreciate the interest and ideas. Just talking about it allows our minds to think through details, etc. It is very helpful.
You are right about the air flow. That is the whole idea for this "scoop". It will actually be a beauty cover for the holes in the hood. The idea is to allow the radiator air to escape up and over the car through the outlet at the cowl.
Sounds like you got it covered I like the retro V nose 2 scoop look to the hood too.
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
Some thoughts. If some of the grille is not flow thru, that would be somewhat of an air dam, if that is of any concern. Air that does flow through, will it be more than an original Fiero nose? It looks like it could be. If so air outlets may be warranted, or it could be that headlight lid "pop up" could happen at an earlier speed than the infamous 100mph pop up.
The radiator air flow comes in at a very low point on the car. See this pic of the bumper removed:
You can see there is just a big metal wall blocking the radiator at the top. All the air flows in at the bottom. Notice the nose of the yellow car. It was photoshoped from a stock Formula bumper. You can still see the factory inlets below the GTO grills. We will keep this as is or very similar.
As in the original picture where there is a downward hole in the hood, this is to allow air from the bottom of the car to flow upward to the hood. The Hood Cover then allows for more transfer of air to speed it up using the two holes in the front and push it more fastly thru the cowl and over the windshield. This would allow the air to travel with more speed in cooling for the radiator (in theory). The fan would help at idle but the faster you would go the cooler your radiator would be.
Here's a pic of how this process got started. We cut up a 2" insulation board to make the block. We used STUFF to spray in the missing sections to fill in. We found out quickly that we were not going to be happy with the shaping ability and quality of this foam so we tore it all out, bit the bullet, and bought the good stuff.
One suggestion: If possible you should start w/ a fiberglass bumper that has the upper part n side parts Like the one from Fiero Fiberglass, I think the guys name is JimmyS That way you would already have all the mounting points perfect Then you would just need to shape the frt part of the bumper It wold be a lot easier that building everything from scratch
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
One suggestion: If possible you should start w/ a fiberglass bumper that has the upper part n side parts Like the one from Fiero Fiberglass, I think the guys name is JimmyS That way you would already have all the mounting points perfect Then you would just need to shape the frt part of the bumper It wold be a lot easier that building everything from scratch
I agree the mounting points will be a headache. We have two fascias that we could sacrifice for the cause. Not sure how we're going to address it at this point.
I agree the mounting points will be a headache. We have two fascias that we could sacrifice for the cause. Not sure how we're going to address it at this point.
last night i was thinking about how to get the perfect fit. then it hit me why not take the pointy nose bumper cut the front out of it. mount it the fill the inside with the foam. when hard carve out the desired shape. then glass over it to get the mold. does this sound possible? just a thought...
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Boostdreamer Member
Posts: 7175 From: Kingsport, Tennessee USA Registered: Jun 2007
last night i was thinking about how to get the perfect fit. then it hit me why not take the pointy nose bumper cut the front out of it. mount it the fill the inside with the foam. when hard carve out the desired shape. then glass over it to get the mold. does this sound possible? just a thought...
If I understand you correctly, it sounds like something we're discussing. All options are still on the table at this point.
doesn't this sound like the easiest way to make the original mold. i think that it would speed up the process as you would just have to work on the gto shape and not have to worry about getting the fitting to the car correct. again just a thought.
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Posts: 6939 From: Dickinson, Texas USA Registered: Nov 2006
doesn't this sound like the easiest way to make the original mold. i think that it would speed up the process as you would just have to work on the gto shape and not have to worry about getting the fitting to the car correct. again just a thought.
CrazyDragn and I have our next session planned for Wednesday. Our first order of business is for him to show me his ideas about mounting and attaching the nose. He's been working on that aspect of it and he'll show me what he's come up with then. At that point I'll be able to see if I can add anything to it and we'll brainstorm from there to come up with a working process. Then we'll push forward with that plan and try to remain flexable to new ideas and solutions to unforseen problems that crop up.
great!!! keep us posted.. if it wasnt for you guys i'd probally be taking a break from the computer but you have me checking every couple of hours to see if i missed anything exciting lol keep up the good work
on a side note not a fan of the trans am nose reminds me of the pretty girls ugly sister......
edited for trans am slam lol
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CrazyDragn Member
Posts: 1400 From: Kingsport, TN 37663 Registered: Aug 2009
great!!! keep us posted.. if it wasnt for you guys i'd probally be taking a break from the computer but you have me checking every couple of hours to see if i missed anything exciting lol keep up the good work
on a side note not a fan of the trans am nose reminds me of the pretty girls ugly sister......
Originally posted by fierocarparts: Bump up because I believe in your idea. How about another idea (but has already been done?
Nice Idea, however I think we were going with the idea that it would be a cover to the walber invert hood scoop. This would allow air from the under side of the car meet with the wind from the front of the car and creat more air displacement thru the radiator.
Nicely done. The problem with the Fiero hood is that there are so many straight lines and square shapes. It is hard to come up with something that looks good on its own and goes well with the original lines. Not to mention making it functional all at the same time.
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