Maybe it's just a few bad apples. Or, maybe every V6 owner I have met feels obligated to tell the Iron Duke guys:

"Your car is not worth fixing" or "Iron Pukes just break" or "your 84 is worthless, you can't even swap in a V6"

A few months ago I was really happy to be on this Forum.

I hate so many Forum Members now that the list is too long to post. The exceptions are too few to be worth it.

I am still going to drive my 84 and I am still going to love it. I hope that really pisses you V6 Nazis off. I also hope that someone keys every Black88GT in existence.

Next time you give your precious advice to a Duke owner understand that not everyone shares the "I have a small penis and I need to race everybody to feel like a man" issues that you do. By discouraging your fellow Forum members you may feel superior for a time, but you make other Fiero owners feel like this Forum is not for them.

As a Duke owner, there is no need for me to post on this Forum.

Cliff, you should rename this Forum the V6 Fiero Forum. It would have saved me a lot of aggrevation!

Yikes. Someone is a bit bitter.

Why don't you just consider te source and get over it. For God's sake, you live in San Jose. The traffic is so bad there it's not like you'd be able to take advantage of any performance benefits of the V6 anywho. It's like the 88 owners doggin me because I have the "inferior suspension" in my 86 GT. I live in western Oklahoma. It's not like I have curvy roads.
There is always going to be a snobby know-it-all in any group. Just know how do identify them, and discount accordingly.

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My first Fiero was a 4cyl... I loved that car. Hell of a lot more reliable than my new V6 (which is getting a new engine installed this week, by the way). But that car got sideswiped by an "officer in training". Oh well.

Enjoy your car and ignore the a$$holes.

. . .and while I don't feel as strongly as you do I notice a strong bias toward manual shift which I don't care to drive.

Don't blame all 88 owners because a few are dogging you. I like the iron duke too. I drive Jaygee79's all the time. I think your comment about keying 88 GT's makes you look like a Fu*&ing As@*&le! When I had just an iron duke in mine I never had a problem on the forum. I always give advice to the iron duke guys in the Tech forum. A V6 swap in an 84 is harder but not impossible. I may try it in JayGee's if the iron duke ever goes. The wire harness and fuel lines need to be changed. If you have an 86-88 donor just swap all the wires. I think you just need to lighten up a little. If you like what you have then that is great. Don't let other ignorant jerks get you all pissy. let it slide by. I think the forum is a great place for ALL FIERO OWNERS, 4 & 6's If you don't feel like staying then bye. Some of us will miss you on the forum. Don't blame all of us.

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My pics

I have a 4 cyl. and I love it. If you love your car then who cares what anyone else thinks or says. Just ignore the idiots. It will make your day a lot less stressful.

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I do feel allot of V6 owners are somewhat bitter towards dukes. I think its kind of silly, the 2.8 itself isnt "that" great an engine. Sure its allot faster then an iron duke fiero, but that's not saying allot. The 2.8 isnt much if at all faster then any other GM V6 out there . I'm sure theres allot of Aztecs and Montanas that would give any stock V6 fiero a good run for there money LoL. But that not the point. Fieros are fun for other reasons that just 0-60. Its the same way on the Fbody forums, if you say certain things about V6's or in anyway say they have an advantage over the 8's allot of people get pissed at you. O well, I'm sure I've already made enough people angry. That said, I would like to get a V6 fiero one day. Not because they are better, just because I would like something a little faster sometimes. Anyway, us duke owners will have the last laugh as gas prices skyrocket. hehe

quote Originally posted by LuckyTheyWereEverMade: [B][/B]

I agree with Lucky (I don't like the keying idea though, I think that was just anger speaking).

It seems like everytime someone posts something positive about the 4 banger, someone is always there to slap him.

I thought we were all in the same boat here.

Archie

Lucky - if it weren't for 4-cyl.'s, I'd never have fallen in love with Fieros.

The original '88 4-cyl. Coupe I bought back in 1990 now has 253,000 *original* miles on it, has never needed *any* internal engine work done to it (knock on wood), and it's just been given a facelift and a new look, and my Dad is thrilled with owning it, and when and if he ever decides to get rid of it, he knows that it's coming back to me.

Yeah, I've got a Formula now, but there's nothing wrong with the 4-bangers... hell, if it weren't for the success of the 4-banger Fieros, the V6 Fieros never would have made it off the drawing board.

Don't let the bastards get you down...

quote Originally posted by Archie: I thought we were all in the same boat here.

<looking down at the boat floor>

Glub! Glub! Glub!

Just remember LTWEM, those individuals will sink and/or be sunk in another thread, if not by you, then by someone else, but in the end, everyone here are friends in one way or another and a majority of us all have something in common regardless of the "status quo".

Us three (Me, myself and I) have the V6. Would like to have a V8 and would settle for a 4 whapper if need be. Its not what's under the hood, it's what you B ultimately drivin on the outside that counts.

Lucky,

Don't let a few pinheads get to ya!
Hell, all of the engines have their good and bad points. (2.8's have crappy oiling and eat bearings for lunch. Right?)
All the people that choose to flame others are merely expressing opinions. You (and most of the rest of us) know who the narrow minds are. Just consider the source and gracefully step around them, as they fall on their faces.

Raydar

Don't let a few folks ruin it for you. I have a V-6 SE and I'm am looking to get an 84 with a 2.5L/4-spd. Most of those that slam the 2.5L either never had one or had one that was beat to death. 4-cyl's may not be fast but they can be fun!

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Lucky, if you're upset by the response received by the new member, Cheekisy, then read his original post again. He asked how to increase horsepower! If you're interested in horsepower then don't use the Duke for your racing!

I've got a Duke in my 88 Coupe. It's a beautiful car, inside and out. It had one owner when I got it. It's totally stock. I love it. But I now have the chance to put my banged up, battle-scarred black 88 GT back on the road, although it won't be pretty. And I'll have to sell one of these two cars. Guess which one I'm going to keep and drive? The GT, because it's a better car, man.

But you're right. And I'm impressed with what I read coming from Archie, that the Duke owners constantly get slapped. Many of the club websites use the phrase "dedicated to the preservation of the Fiero", and that means ALL Fieros. So, yes, I believe the 4-cylinder cars deserve more respect than they get. But when the owner wants horsepower, he should be talking about something else.

I hope you don't leave. Stick around and try to pound some sense into those you don't agree with. The Fiero world needs you to do your part in the preservation of all Fieros.

hmmmm... and here I thought his '84 had just started on fire...

JUST KIDDING!!!!

My first car (and first Fiero) was an 84 duck. Love that car, even though it's currently out of service right now (needs brake work and a heater core). I really miss driving it. But I also like driving my GT, which can get out of it's own way if need be

Now just chill out and get a sense of humour man!

<----owns a 4

the 4 are a lot cheaper to maintain and easier to get parts for. No worrying about that stupid egr tubing that cracks that are on the v6.

The 4 is just as same as the 6 except for the hp and fuel mileage. Mostly every car is sold with an option to get a 4 or 6. There are probably more 4s on the road then the 6.

I think its stupid if your bashing the 4 because its a fiero. like i own a ricer and im bashing another ricer cause he has less stickers then i do and a smaller spoiler.
You help the other fiero person out, their part of the family, unless they just bought the car cause it was on the used car lot cause it was the cheapest.

I DONT LIKE DUKES!! I love them heheh that is all I own.... :P got 2 I'm reworking and another I'm gonna rreally hop up! SCOPE THIS OUT

"Pontiac's new GTP Light Fiero has sat on the pole in its first five races, set new track records, and won the last two races convincingly. It is powered by a 3.0-liter Super Duty engine rated at 330 hp"
http://www.users.qwest.net/~racing2win/Fiero_Fun.htm

I hear the part about V6's being expensive to fix/maintain. I've NEVER put so much money into a vehicle than this 86GT I have. I sure enjoy driving it, but I don't think it's anymore special than some other wheels I've owned, I wouldn't DIS the four bangers, which were much cheaper to repair or the automatics. Sometimes I miss the ease of an auto.(I'm used to one behind a V-8 though). I'm having to get the front exhaust manifold fixed again!!, which made me think about.....naw, I won't sell it, yet. I'm getting an extra set of manifolds set up to replace the one's on it now. CHinG! £u**kin CHING!!! I'm putting new shocks and struts on it tomorrow. Yeah sometimes I envy the simpler life ..*

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quote Originally posted by LuckyTheyWereEverMade: Cliff, you should rename this Forum the V6 Fiero Forum. It would have saved me a lot of aggrevation!

(snipped own reply)

Never mind.

Is there a more perfect entry level car, than the Duke Fiero for an automotive hobbyist? Let me count the ways;
1. Usually you can find one for less than $500.
2. It's steel "cage" is amazingly strong, hopefully though, you won't have to experience it first hand.
3. It doesn't have so much power that it'll get out of control for most new drivers.
4. The '84s will be classified as collectable (in FL) in three years.
5. The coupes look really nice when restored (I don't mean high-dollar concours).
6. Compared to other cars, they don't really cost too much to keep up. Insurance included.
7. Look at all the mods, conversions, up-grades, etc., you can dream or scheme about. Haze has a sharp silver coupe with 17" (or are they 18") wheels.
8. The Duke Coupes were intended to be commuter cars. If I had the space, I'd definately have one as my daily driver. Clean, reliable, with nice wheels and stereo. Suspension mods, like on my 87GT (which looks a Black 88 GT) can get pretty old on the average street.

Fieros are like Harleys, as in everybody can do there own thing. Some will like it and others won't. Fiero owners, like Hog riders, usually will let you know.

Wade

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I just replied to the other thread (the one which sparked this) before I saw this.

I am sure that "Black88gt" comment was directed at my car. Well thats pretty lame. You must feel really insecure about your car to go whining like you are ("this is my last post here boo hoo hoo"). You don't think people crap on my car every chance they get? I hang out with gear heads all the time, and most of my family is really into sports cars. Every time I *mention* my car around them they just sigh and say "Oh God here he goes with the POS Fiero talk again", do I care? No. If I did I sure as hell wouldn't own a Fiero, I would own a Firebird or some other "me too" car that 5 gazillion people have. Maybe you should look into that because if your getting this upset over an internet forum, well then I think you might have the wrong car my friend...

As I stated in another thread my first "real" car was an 84 (I had a Lada before that, but that doesn't count as a car!). I loved that car. So much so that almost 8 years after it died, I bought my 86 GT. I never forgot the fun I had driving that car. I even bought a Ferrari Dino kit on an 84 chasis with an 88 six cylinder in it! 4 bangers are just as much Fiero's as are the 6's. It's to bad that some people want to chase away Fiero owners by making bad comments (which I haven't read,). But I can't imagine that someone could let other people's opinions and comments about a car get them all worked up. Shoot, I've got a V8 in my car, does that make me more deserving to get keyed than the V6's? Lighten up...stay...and disregard the others comments. We all love the Fiero, some just love their version of the Fiero more than others. If you take life to seriously you'll end up a bitter, lonely old man. Just have fun driving your car and talking to others who enjoy them too. Personally, I think the money we spend on Fiero's is a waste. With all I spent on my engine conversion and my kit cars and interior modifications I could have bought a Ferrari 308/328. Now why would anyone want to own a Fiero when they could have a Ferrari? It's simple, because we like em, so screw what anyone else says and drive what you like. And that's all I've got to say about that.

Jay
1986 Northstar GT www.members.home.net/jaygrande

quote Originally posted by Black88GT: I just replied to the other thread (the one which sparked this) before I saw this.

??? What "other thread"? Am I missing something here? Clue me in.

If you're talking about the reply I made against the new member, I HATE V6 Fieros, it was nothing personal directed toward anyone but him. All I wanted to know was how to gain more HP from my 6 cylinder, and he does nothing to add to the topic, but replies: "Iron Dukes Rule!" I know that he may be entitled to his own opinion, but I really didn't appreciate that statement, especially when I want to know something. It was no big deal, but it pushed me over the top, and I said some things that I shouldn't have, all of which are based on opinion and not fact. I hope nobody took this statement personally and I apologize for anything that made you feel *inferior* about your Iron Dukes. Sorry.

BTW: I read the replies that Cheekisy received on his post, and saw nothing that directly ridiculed the Iron Duke. It was probably my post you were referring to however.

I just checked out the user "I hate V6 Fieros". Obviously, he's a troll. He has done three posts in three threads, all read "Iron Dukes Rule!".

Needless to say he will not bother us again.

Thanks Cliff!!

I love my 88 coupe 4 cyl. 2.5 . I loveit so much I have put in over $1500 into it in the last 2 months and plan on sticking about another grand into it this year, and none of that money is going into any engine related work, just body and interior modifications.
There is nothing wrong with liking a 4 cyl car, and with gas prices today you'll be saving a helluva lot more money than the guys with a 6 cyl. It's about loving the car.
<* Edited For decency, not change of opinion*>

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Whatever...

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Yeah, your right. That was uncalled for, maybe that's not how it is in you'r area, but here it is. I shouldn't judge places I haven't been.

everyone has their own preferences, I have a V6 but nothing wrong with having a 4 cyl. In fact I think, If im not mistaken the fastest, highest HP Fieros were the GTP 4 cylinders. Ya, thats with tons of mods, but its still a 4.

oh yea, btw, I wish mine was an automatic, my next kitcar (GT40) is gonna be an automatic. Im sick of shifting gears and using clutches.

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Bah!
The guy wasn't being flamed or singled out.
He's just got a chip on his shoulder.

ya know.. my duke is my baby If you dont like it.. oh well she's not yours.

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Spinrpg.com - Free URL & e-mail Forwarding

Dude, I love my Formula, but it was a Duke that got me into Fieros in the first place (re-read LZeitgeist's post - same car). And it was a Iron Duke automatic that got a good friend of mine into cars at all! Before the Fiero cars were just an appliance to get him from point a to b. Now he loves playing with his car! Ok, so his is an 88, but don't hold that against him . Do I prefer V6's and stick shifts? Sure. I prefer stick shifts, and I always prefer the most power available. If a Saturn 5 was available from the factory, I'd want to know if there were any upgrades for it!

Enjoy that 84, man! You're welcome around here, IMO, any time.

There is definitly nothing wrong with 4 cyls. The fastest internal combustion engine was an Oldsmobile Quad4 in the '87 Aerotech.

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All I am saying is my little 88 duke rocked last weekend. It led the train that smoked the mountain on the way to Toney last weekend. So instead of hot rodding start w a good tight suspension, clean interior, kicking stereo. And you can hang with the big boys in the twistees and get yourself a coke while their topping off at the next gas station. But your gonna get smoked on hills and straightaways. If I want monster speed Ill jump on my deathbike. Ok I lied I want a 3800 supercharged in mine.

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Best Fiero I ever saw was an 85 4 banger. A local AutoZone employee drives it. Totally restored and looks better than new. I'm not kidding either. Way better than any other Fiero I've ever seen. I just got back from Toney AL and none of the cars there could even come close.

That's it - time comes for an engine swap, just to keep the peace, maybe I'll put an Audi 5-cylinder in my Fiero

After I acquired three V6 Fieros, I actually bought a 1988 Duke-powered Fiero, and I like it. So I can't go around and say, "There's no going back, after you've driven a V6."

Two are 5-speeds (one Getrag, one Isuzu), one's a 4-speed, one's an automatic. One's a GT. Two have sunroofs. One even has a trailer hitch. One has the 1988 suspension. So I've a pretty good cross section of all the configurations.

Notice I haven't brought myself to sell any of them. I like them all, and for different reasons.

BTW, if I said too many discouraging words about the Duke engines, I apologize.

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My little 87 coupe was a runner, Man I miss that car. Dollar for dollar it was a much better deal than my 86SE V6 . After Ogre got me together on the sensors it ran fine!

And now with Fierojoe and his nice blue paint job I really miss it!!!

DXR_DAD

I love my little 4 cyl. I can keep up with all the 6's on the highway. Of course I run the speed limit. It's an automatic too!
Wouldn't trade her for anything.

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I have a 84 with the duke, I love it, it died so i pulled the engine and i am putting the caddy 4.5 in, I also own a 85 that runs but for some reason i like the 84 more and i'll just sit in it for hours pretending it ran, i like the 84 alot more dont really think its any different just somethign about it... plus i think the 84's and the 88's will be worth alot of money in the next 10 years (my guess, 88 is the last one and 84s are the first one)

goonight ::falls asleep::

oh yea i just bought a rebild kit with pistons and everything for my 84 duke so i can have a spare engine for the 85... that cost me some desent money... dukes are fun (expecally with the 5 speed)

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Any Fiero is a relative of mine (87 GT), and a long as the owner maintains it, should continue looking and running good. But I know what you're talking about. I usually check the V6 forum at www.thirdgen.com (Camaro website) and the V6 owners there hear the same type of "put a V8 in it" BS continuously. Every question on how to get more horsepower from a V6 has some "genius" giving the :swapin a V8 answer".