This thread started out like a bad Jerry Seinfield bit...

"Four Cylinders, I mean, What is the deal?"

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Dillon
Black '87 SE V6

Actually the Quad4 does have a rumble and is about the same sound as the 2.8l while at WOT. I watched a real video clip of someone dyno'ing a Beretta GTZ, man did it sound mean.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA mean??? That's all I have to say.

You know sloth, you're right this argument can't be won because it's not an argument.
two things:
1) It seems you think you need to have an engineering degree to figure out that if you have more displacement, you will have more power. Stock V6 vs. stock 4. Well let's see that's 2 more cylinders. You are not a genius for figuring that one out.
2) You're blatant ignorance on this matter is just downright funny and you better stick your foot in your mouth right now before EVERYONE loses respect for you.

You know what else,
My Pentium III 500mz processor is faster than my old 133 i used to have. Anyone without a pentium is lame. Why would you spend money on a computer that is soooooo slow when you can have the smooth humming of that good ole 128mb ram.
You can put as much money into your 133 as you want but my 500 Pentium stock will always take it.

No $hit

I think all of you are wrong. V8's and V6's are too big, I4's too small. Go 5 cylinder! I had an 86' Audi Coupe with an I-5 and it was great. Real torquey down low and the best sound ever to come out of a single exhaust tip. Sort of a refined growl. And it was naturally aspirated. Ha!

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Sean W.
'84 SE 2M4 WS6, The "Buzz Bomb". (restoration project to become daily driver)
'84 Sport Coupe, The "Black Wedge of Death" ($150 running car)

I am a little confused with the idea of "stock" being thrown around here. Since are talking about racing (or at least - quickness of cars) why don't we stick to the definition used when you enter your car at the track.

A TSi (which will happily run mid to high 14's right off the assembly line) is said to be perfectly stock with the 14b turbo in it. That is to say, I will complete in the bone stock catagory at any given race with a TSI (no upgrade turbos, nothing... bone bone bone bone bone stock)...

I have never been one for huge engines. My mother owned a 85 5.0 firebird. Nice car, tons of fun, but I certainly did not consider it as fun to drive as the fiero (im speaking about acceleration.. and overall feel of the car). My TSI was almost equally as enjoyable as the Fiero. The only add-on I had to it was a 2.5" dynomax cat back. It had a really low moan to it (similar to a fiero... but not quite as a deep). The tips on it were completely stock.

Anyhoots, I think you are tossing around 2 ideas into on message. there are add on turbos (ie.. the ones you put on civics) and then there are stock turbos. The TSI (and many other turbo-from-the-factory cars) are enginered specifically to work with that turbo (ie... when the turbo goes on a TSI it is SUPER slow because the compression is so low on the engine... thats the way its designed)...

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Yea well ricecooker ill challenge your PIII 500 128meg with my PIII 450 224meg ram. You name the time and place and well race...

What engine did the Quad4 come in that is in Standards car? that would be stock to that car, no forced induction.. more than likely spank your lil 'modded' GT.. Fieros suck, admit it!

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Ray - "And God said there shall be one in thy owns image, and he made me"
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I hear this same kind of crap about my V6.
Sloth:
Why can't you just respect what another persons doing or likes?
If we all had/drove the same car with the same engine in it wouldn't that be pretty boring? Isn't the idea of building a car up partly to make something different or something that stands out in the crowd?

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Dave Gunsul
N.I.F.E. member
86 GT modified
85 SE daily driver

quote Originally posted by sloth85GT: Again, you 4 banger owners are talking about turbos against stock V6's. Were you not reading what I was saying? Or are you just stupid? Or both? Of course you need that turbo to beat a STOCK V6. If that SAME V6 had a turbo, same boost, who'd win? The V6!!!

All I have to say is my friend has a Type R Integra. He swapped a (i think) 2.2L Vtec J-spec engine into it and it has over 200 HP NA, and it is stock....will take a turbo eclipse any day...except the GSX. BTW, how does a stock V6 fiero beat a TSi? A friend of mine had a GSX eclipse...and it would eat a stock fiero, it would walk all over GT mustangs...and hang with cobras.
I think you better watch what you say. You could get youreslf into trouble quick.

I will get a type R integra and open a can of 4 cyl NA whoop ass on your V8 lovin self! Dont tempt me
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James Essar
AOL IM Name: FieroMaster88
88 Coupe With a new V6

[This message has been edited by FieroMaster88 (edited 07-30-2001).]

I think there are definatly advantages to go with a turboed car (typically found on 4 bangers) ... It is basically a technology vrs muscle debate. I like 5.0's and v8's too..

.. but ..

Look at it this way. Do you have more respect for a person who put 1000 bucks into a 16g, and a larger fuel pump to run low 14's while keeping the actual engine stock, or the guy who spent 3000 to drop a big old v8 in his car, which is essentially changing the car. Not to harp on guys who do conversions, wish I had the money. But at what point is a fiero essentially just another car wrapped in a fiero cage?

The same argument could be made for alot of "ricers" to. If you want a sports car, buy a sport car. But there definatly different types of 4 cyl engines. There are the ones you have to respect (the guys putting out 200+ horses from the factory) , and then there are the guys how slap on some wacky stickers and think they are all that...

It is also a cool feature to be have options. By this I mean, a v8 is always a v8. Sucks gas like a pig, and gets you nice fat insurance payments. But having a nice way to dial in some extra boost when you see a kill coming on, then toning it down for relaxed driving, is also a plus..

Well, mine came out of a '93 grand am.

Completely stock, huh? So if I go out and get a Porsche 944 S2 (non-turbo) and commence spanking you in both drag race and road course... then what?

And in case you go and say the porsche is in a whole different catagory, you can find a decent 944 for less than 10 grand now.

And if you don't think a 4 banger can have a good exhaust note.. I gladly invite you up here. I'm sure you'll get a good listen while I pull away from ya'

open your mind, man.

In addition to driving my 4cyl (slow) fiero I also drive a saab9000. This saab is a turbo, 4cyl, DOHC, 5 speed. Im sorry to say but its faster then ANY american v6 I have ever driven. Its smooth, fast, gets great mileage, completely stock, and it has 160,000 miles! I could toast your 85gt six cylinder in this car, even though its "only" a 2.3......

hehe...

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quote Originally posted by GodSend: I think there are definatly advantages to go with a turboed car (typically found on 4 bangers) ... It is basically a technology vrs muscle debate. I like 5.0's and v8's too.. .. but .. Look at it this way. Do you have more respect for a person who put 1000 bucks into a 16g, and a larger fuel pump to run low 14's while keeping the actual engine stock, or the guy who spent 3000 to drop a big old v8 in his car, which is essentially changing the car. Not to harp on guys who do conversions, wish I had the money. But at what point is a fiero essentially just another car wrapped in a fiero cage? The same argument could be made for alot of "ricers" to. If you want a sports car, buy a sport car. But there definatly different types of 4 cyl engines. There are the ones you have to respect (the guys putting out 200+ horses from the factory) , and then there are the guys how slap on some wacky stickers and think they are all that... It is also a cool feature to be have options. By this I mean, a v8 is always a v8. Sucks gas like a pig, and gets you nice fat insurance payments. But having a nice way to dial in some extra boost when you see a kill coming on, then toning it down for relaxed driving, is also a plus..

I think you hit it on the head with that comment, thank you. If you want a sports car, then BUY a sports car, NOT a family sedan!

I laugh my head off every time I read everyones posts, you're all taking it WAYYY too personal, remember, this is my opinion, if you don't like it, oh well, I don't care. At least I got my two cents in.

Hey Sloth!
Gotta agree with ya, but even with a 350 SBC, I would have to warm up the internals...
My 63 Nova would turn 12/13 second quarter mile times all day, but it was **** for corners...
Now my 86 2M4 will blast through the twisties better than most, and all I added was a rear sway bar...
Lets see, a straight line car with $5000.00 engine, or a curvatious car with a freebie sway bar... HMMM... Wonder why I own 4 Fieros...
crash...

I like my little 4 cyl. It's not all that fast, but it's still fun. And it doesn't sound too bad with the duel exhaust.

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Jaime
84SE red
AOL IM: Jaygee79
ICQ: 85931334
Jaygee79's Web Page

Isn't the actual Type R Integra the fast Integra? Thats why people are slapping the 'Type R' badges on everything nowadays right?

quote Originally posted by FieroMaster88: All I have to say is my friend has a Type R Integra. He swapped a (i think) 2.2L Vtec J-spec engine into it and it has over 200 HP NA, and it is stock....will take a turbo eclipse any day...except the GSX. BTW, how does a stock V6 fiero beat a TSi? A friend of mine had a GSX eclipse...and it would eat a stock fiero, it would walk all over GT mustangs...and hang with cobras. I think you better watch what you say. You could get youreslf into trouble quick. I will get a type R integra and open a can of 4 cyl NA whoop ass on your V8 lovin self! Dont tempt me

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Dillon
Black '87 SE V6

Yeah...the actual type R integra is no joke. they are really quick. I know 2 people who have real ones. they are nice. There is some kid around here with a trans am who has weapon R stickers and a type R badge on it. He should be shot.

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James Essar
AOL IM Name: FieroMaster88
88 Coupe With a new V6:D

ok ok ok I have heard enough and i need to say something. To me the whole rice thing is a joke. Ok...so your friend puts a VTEC motor in his integra...how much did he spend? And how fast is it now? I put a 3.8 SC V-6 in mine spent less then 4000 dollars and now runs 13.3's FASTER then any Integra street car (not talking race cars now) I have raced against, oh and my car still has its full interior. Fastest ive seen...14's. As for the 4 cyl debate. I had a Quad 4 auto in my coupe and raced my bro's v-6 auto GT. We ran near identical times. 16.8- 16.4. But he alwys won. Why? TORQUE! Torque wins the races. So i am with sloth here. I am sorry...yea you can make a 4 fast by slapping a turbo on it but how fast will a V-8 go with that same turbo on it?

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Earl Sessions
3.8 SC Fiero
13.3 @ 100.67 mph (so far)

quote Originally posted by lildv1l: ok ok ok I have heard enough and i need to say something. To me the whole rice thing is a joke. Ok...so your friend puts a VTEC motor in his integra...how much did he spend? And how fast is it now? I put a 3.8 SC V-6 in mine spent less then 4000 dollars and now runs 13.3's FASTER then any Integra street car (not talking race cars now) I have raced against, oh and my car still has its full interior. Fastest ive seen...14's. As for the 4 cyl debate. I had a Quad 4 auto in my coupe and raced my bro's v-6 auto GT. We ran near identical times. 16.8- 16.4. But he alwys won. Why? TORQUE! Torque wins the races. So i am with sloth here. I am sorry...yea you can make a 4 fast by slapping a turbo on it but how fast will a V-8 go with that same turbo on it?

Well...I think he spent $2000 or so on it. It is really quick. The HP numbers are somewehere around 200 to 230 HP with NO turbo. It will beat most trans am's and camaros. And that is with a full interior! Mustangs are easy...but hey, thats a ford. The only reason I like the whole improt thing is because of all the mods you can do to them. There are guys crankin out over 400 HP on a 4 cyl. Thats amazing. Plus, they dont weigh much to begin with, so they are even faster. If you dont like them, thats fine. Just dont cry to me when your 3.8 gets smoked by a moded GSX Eclipse or a Type R Integra.

Specs on his Type R:
205 HP
140 LBS of torque
2450 LBS

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James Essar
AOL IM Name: FieroMaster88
88 Coupe With a new V6

[This message has been edited by FieroMaster88 (edited 07-31-2001).]

Torque is what wins the races, that 140 is pathetic.

http://www.attrition.org/gallery/spoof/low_perf.jpg

This says it all.

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-FE
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'92 Chevy Silverado
(wishing for 88GT Fiero)
(working on 86GT Fiero)
(Can afford 84 parts car)
:)

torque wins drag races.. remove head from anus then speak sloth

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Ray - "With one swift kick the door was off its hinges, and there he saw a god, but it was only a mirror"

HaHa..

""Turn your 85hp automobile into a 95hp automobile for under 10,000""

Classic

quote Originally posted by sloth85GT: Torque is what wins the races, that 140 is pathetic. Originally posted by Galen: torque wins drag races.. remove head from anus then speak sloth

Ummmmmmmmm Galen? Isn't that what I said? People are so uneducated these days.

And Fatal Error, that's classic, I'm still laughing my butt off.

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Gotta tip my hat to Jaygee79. She must be about the kindest-hearted person around. She seems to have something positive to say on every thread she posts in. I mean, she couldn't even think of something bad to say about Rosie O'Donnell!

Jaime, I wish I had your positive outlook. I like my 4-banger too...it's incredibly reliable, but I wish it had more HP. (And I still hate Rosie...)

quote Originally posted by ChadMan: Gotta tip my hat to Jaygee79. She must be about the kindest-hearted person around. She seems to have something positive to say on every thread she posts in. I mean, she couldn't even think of something bad to say about Rosie O'Donnell! Jaime, I wish I had your positive outlook. I like my 4-banger too...it's incredibly reliable, but I wish it had more HP. (And I still hate Rosie...)

Awww, thanks

SlothGTblahblah, I never thought anyone could be this ignorant until now. Hmmmmm let me think about it, which one is faster an unmodifed 4 or an unmodified 6? Duh. As long as they are in the same 'class' but I guess you wouldn't know about class would you? Why log into a forum and start an arguement? I guess the question you should ask is..,"What's more immature? a 4 year old or me?" I think if you look in the mirror you'll find your answer.
Or as Mr. Sanford would say, "You big dummy!"

Wipe away your tears and ask your mommy for a hug, Sloth

Who's the bigger d!ck? the man who starts a argument? or a man who brings one back up after its gone away?

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1988 Hawaiin Orchid Coupe - Fierolinks

quote Originally posted by Formula: A stock civic vtec would blow the doors off most stock 100k mile V6 fieros..... why, it revs up to make the power and has better gearing. Age comes into play with this one.

that's ironic, my stock 110k mile fiero still pulls 15.3 and I have over 30k on the current plugs/wires. I have yet to lose a race to ANY model Honda. I agree with Sloth, If you want to win races in town, get yourself a 4 speed 2.8. Unless your driving a Viper or Diablo, I will beat you to 30mph. What's the speed limit in your town?
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Silver 86 GT
completely stock,
completely fast!

quote Originally posted by Galen: Who's the bigger d!ck? the man who starts a argument? or a man who brings one back up after its gone away?

I second that Galen, thank you. This topic was the first one I've ever posted here on PFF. That was a little while ago, it's dead.

So please everyone else, don't add any more replies to this topic and let it die........again......

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nice quote Sloth. As long as I have something to share, this topic will stay up top!

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Silver 86 GT
completely stock,
completely fast!

I don't mind people replying, I'd just rather let this one die, it's been argued 5 times over already. So please just let it go......it's gone.....let...it...go.......

quote Originally posted by Formula88: Yeah, gotta hate those Lotus Esprit Turbos and Lotus Elans, not to mention the Honda S2000 or various Alfa Romeos, Fiats, Triumphs, etc. Yeah, they're only good for econo-commuting. Is it easier to get power out of a bigger engine? Sure. Is it necessary? No.

Isn't the Opel Speedster a 4 cyl. too?

please people, for heavens sakes, let this thread die and stop posting......

man who cars how many cyl you have. **** I dont have a one.
it al depends on what you are looking for .

I would like to see you ppl with V6 and V8 get 30+ mpg on a reg basis. yeah so they might not be as fast as your car but who cares. WTF is this I am better then you and your car cause I have..... *gasp*.... a v6/v8
I have seens some smaller motors on cars that can kick ass out of quit a few ppl here.

just to name a few

know of a rx7 with a 1.3L that is running 9.1 in the 1/4.

did all of you forget about the turbo lotus? it was only a 4 banger.

honda S2000. stock block 2.0L I think is running 0-60 in around 6.somthing.

yeah so what you v8 might kick most of these cars buts but who cares. when you beat my ass one race I will be driving by you when you stop for gas.

this is like the hey guys guess what my penis is bigger then yours arguement.

also you v6 guys you wanna talk being efficient. a lot of these 4 bangers will be pulling close to if not above 100hp/Liter.

oh and yeah sloth why are you talking about letting this thread die. you are the one who started this saying that the little 4 bangers suck....
oh and yeah you wanna talk no replacement for displacment then you car is the biggest pos out there right now.... I will go out and borrow my friends 502BBC with a SC I think he has it rated at around 1200hp. and no this is not a stripped race car. though again I mean would kick you ass bad but wait **** you would be able to outturn his car why?? yours is lighter... oh yeah and he could maybe get about 4-5 mpg and so again you would win the gas pump battle.

or hey if you ever want to come to idaho I will take you on if nothing else.
I may not be part of you cyl battle as I dont have any but still my 1.3 is running fairly well right now.... though I am pulling around 199k miles and no rebuild yet in site. and I think my last 1/4 was 14.6 at around 93. though I am for the most part stock

you took the words right out of my mouth rx7speed. Ahhh...the 'no replacement for displacement' crowd. I think it's awesome to see beefed up all motor 4 cylinder cars. It's a technological marvel what some people do to them. Here in Los Angeles, there are tons of modded 4 cylinder cars that will smoke V-6's and V-8s.

I almost got my ass handed back to me by a 1.6 liter AWD Mazda 323 GTX Turbo when my FD was stock. It was awesome. I think any true auto enthusiast will apreciate a 4 banger that modded for speed. Sure some of the body kits and rims may look tacky, but if it's actually a fast car...i think they deserve some respect.

Not all 4 cylinders are created equal-- for all the autocrossers in here, everyone knows that many slower 4 cylinder cars will romp on faster cars on the track (ie: Miata)

Whats wrong with taking whatever you have and trying to make a little better, faster and different than the avearge car? Thats the basis of hot rodding. Doesn't matter what you have.