You guys, all of what you just said in the last 3 posts has already been argued, instead of posting out of the blue, read all of the posts so that you're not repeating something that's been said 5 times already.

Sloth, I did read all the posts before posting this.

RX7Speed, I would normally be on your side, but there are a few things I have to disagree with.

quote Originally posted by rx7speed: man who cars how many cyl you have. **** I dont have a one. it al depends on what you are looking for . I would like to see you ppl with V6 and V8 get 30+ mpg on a reg basis. yeah so they might not be as fast as your car but who cares. WTF is this I am better then you and your car cause I have..... *gasp*.... a v6/v8 I have seens some smaller motors on cars that can kick ass out of quit a few ppl here.

new Camaros, 'vettes and Firebirds do it all the time

quote just to name a few know of a rx7 with a 1.3L that is running 9.1 in the 1/4. did all of you forget about the turbo lotus? it was only a 4 banger.

The lotus was mentioned.

quote honda S2000. stock block 2.0L I think is running 0-60 in around 6.somthing.

The aformentioned F-bodies and Corvettes, still make more power and get better gas milage despite having a motor that is nearly 3 times the size and being in a heavier car. It's also easier to get more hp out of the motor since it isn't completely hopped up from the factory to get the higher specific HP/Liter.

quote yeah so what you v8 might kick most of these cars buts but who cares. when you beat my ass one race I will be driving by you when you stop for gas.

That gives me a chance to point you out to the other people at the gas station and letting them know my car's faster

quote this is like the hey guys guess what my penis is bigger then yours arguement. also you v6 guys you wanna talk being efficient. a lot of these 4 bangers will be pulling close to if not above 100hp/Liter.

Just becasue they have more specific HP from the factory doesn't make them more efficient, see the above point about the s-2000

quote oh and yeah sloth why are you talking about letting this thread die. you are the one who started this saying that the little 4 bangers suck.... oh and yeah you wanna talk no replacement for displacment then you car is the biggest pos out there right now.... I will go out and borrow my friends 502BBC with a SC I think he has it rated at around 1200hp. and no this is not a stripped race car. though again I mean would kick you ass bad but wait **** you would be able to outturn his car why?? yours is lighter... oh yeah and he could maybe get about 4-5 mpg and so again you would win the gas pump battle. or hey if you ever want to come to idaho I will take you on if nothing else. I may not be part of you cyl battle as I dont have any but still my 1.3 is running fairly well right now.... though I am pulling around 199k miles and no rebuild yet in site. and I think my last 1/4 was 14.6 at around 93. though I am for the most part stock

It seems like every 4 or 5 months we get a 4 banger bashing thread pop up.
Give me a break.
The Fiero is a Fiero no matter what engine it has. It's true it is no Ferrari, but neither is a 6 or an 8 either.
As for trying to imply that the 4 cyl Iron Duke has no power, no tork, blah, blah. Obviously you have never driven a Fiero that has been well maintianed with an Iron Duke in it. You also weakly try to argue that they don't sound impressive. True, a single exhaust will not sound as impressive as a dual exhaust. BUT, that is true with just about any car.
Come up to Plainfield NH some time, and we will let you take a few of ours that have 4 bangers in them for a spin. I guarentee that you will change your mind.
LVMY88's Fastback currently has a 4 banger in it. She also has custom dual exhaust, and that Fiero roars louder than just about every Fiero it has sat next to to date. We call it the lean mean growling machine. Trust me, it easily lives up to that name. My Fiero5 is also a stock 4 banger, and it easily does 120MPH plus and can stick to the a$$ of any stock GT out there. Fiero1 and Fiero9 are right up there also. This isn't my opinion, it is the facts that can and has been backed up by other Fiero owners many times.

Let's stop trying to seperate the Fiero community into those with 4 bangers and those with anything else. We all love the same car. And last time I checked, all the models, 4, 6 or 8 cyl are all still called Fiero.

Steve Kelley

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On the standard 4's I had a Subaru WRX that was O to 60 MPH in 5.2 seconds. Wish my 2.8 could do that. On the modified ones well there is an 850 HP WRX for sale here at the moment for not much more than I spent on my last Fiero. Am I stupid or what staying with Fieros

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My Fiero | Fiero Accessories

Engines are just a means at arriving at an end... whether its a 4 banger or a V8.

Yeah a Corvette will handily beat a 4-banger stock, but I have also seen a Honda Civic putting out over 350 HP take a stock Vette. Before anybody goes into the "if the Vette was modified too" bit... both cars cost about the same. Vette's cost in the $40's and this Civic had $30,000 worth of mods. Hate to say it but bang for the buck was on the Civic's side here.

On the other hand the Honda was probably less reliable and used more gas, but it did win the quarter mile!

Some people like to put all their money into the fastes car they can get, others enjoy putting it into making a car fast. If your joy in owning a car is working on it and building it up, buying a cheap 4 banger leaves more money for go fast goodies than a V8 'Stang or anything else.

For going fast I like displacement... but I also respect those who build fast 4 bangers.

I also like my 4-banger Ford Probe for my daily commutes... gets a lot better gas milage than the Fiero for driving thru rush hour traffic! I can spend my savings cruising in the Fiero on weekends! Torque doesn't help much in bumper to bumper... it only costs more money.

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John
AOLIM: Fformula88

1988 Fiero Formula
1985 Fiero SE 2M6

Ok I wouldn't say all 4 cylinders stink. Yes there are a ton out there that I respect. Turbo 4's are fast.

However the Iron duck stinks. Plain and simple.

Can't go past 4500 rpm without fear of grenading something cause the parts are that weak? Come on give me a break.

Yea I know the v6 isn't that great by todays standards but its still hands down way better then the Duck. However a little buildup of the 6 and some nitrous like travis and the 6 will compete with todays v8 cars. Hell Mine would give a run to brand new cobras and firebirds and I was only running a 70 shot. Stock internals too by the way. No stock Duke could ever handle anything like that.

I never lost to any 4 when I was racing and I rarely got "spanked" by the 8's I doubt Travis will ever get beat by a 4 short of a full race car.

You Duck owners have to wake up, stop defending it only cause you own one, and see the duck for what it really is. An old tired piece of iron that doesn't do the Fiero name any good in any way

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Shaun 85 GT with nitrous
0-60 in 5.6 seconds
Shaun41178@hotmail.com

Shaun, you truely dissapoint me, and show great lack in class for ANY fiero owner.

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He's just being honest Galen and I have to kinda agree. As harsh as it may sound the duke is not that good of an engine. That being said a fiero is a fiero. It deserves our loveing care know matter what is sitting behind the driver,
I will admit I never would have bought my fiero if it was a duke. Gas milage was about as much a consideration when buying my fiero as whether it could carry a kiak. I wanted the loud exhaust and off the line torque....soooo I bought a six. If you don't care about such things....and it's perfectly fine if you don't....buy the duke.
Just keep'm on the road fella's ..... know matter what is in them.

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"You Duck owners have to wake up"

You should be carefull what you wish for there spud. I know that I for one am waking up to the fact that people like you need to understand the difference between facts and your own opinion.

"Can't go past 4500 rpm without fear of grenading something cause the parts are that weak? Come on give me a break."
The only break is somewhere between one part of your brain that tells you are about to show how unintelligent you are by saying something stupid, and the part of your brain that stops you from actually proving how stupid you are by actually opening your mouth.
I have done 120mph plus in a well maintained 4 banger on more than one accassion, and it never reached 4500rpm and it didn't fall apart. I will dispense from wasting my time and boring those who allready know the "true" facts, by going thru each part of your statements and blowing holes in them so big an elephant could walk thru.
I know your type Shaun. You think your hot $h-t because you probably blew away some nice young kid in a daily driver high mileage 4 cyl Fiero with your well maintained V6 Fiero. I'm sure that your attitude towards these up and coming Fiero lovers, who we need in the coming years to help keep the excitement alive, are going to be so motivated to stay with a Fiero after meeting someone with your attitude.
I can only pray that these people soon after having the horror of meeting the likes of someone like you, get lucky enough soon after and bump into someone like Galen or the others on here like myself who are absolutely appalled at your disrespect for the large Fiero community including the newbies who are watching and listening. Given the fact that a large part of our ever growing Fiero community (with no thanks to people like you) happen to own a 4 cyl Fiero, your statements are obviously nothing more than a silly attempt to try and get attention. You must be what, 14 years old? My 8 year old has more class than you.
Like I said to Sloth, come on up to NH and put your car where your unintelligent mouths are, or just shut the heck up please.

And now a moment of silence as Shaun also realizes that reality just hit him right smack in his big mouth.

4 bangers rule!!! Live with it!

Steve
Proud Fiero owner (Both V6 AND 4 cyl models)
LOT'S of them!

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Edited for the sake of letting the thread die.

[This message has been edited by dennis_6 (edited 09-25-2001).]

Please people, let this thread die. I've asked Cliff to lock it but he hasn't gotten around to it yet I guess. I think enough has been said about this topic, let it die......again. Jeez I hate people that dredge up old threads, look at the date on this thing, it's old, done, over. Give it up.

sorry, i have to post once. its not an arguement though. first off i would like to say, I DID NOT READ ALL OF THE OTHER POSTS!!! but if what i am saying has been said i am sorry.

i think that the main thing that needs to be learned from this post is "to each his own" i think that veiw is shared by many members, and it is for these members that i have the most respect. thank you for the space

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you can read a persons soul through there eyes.....

BlackDragon

What do you have done to your 4 banger? An 84se is supposed to have a 10.5 sec. 0 to 60 time. Is that what you call fast?

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I love both the L4 and the V6. Each has its own differences and faults. Everybody has a reason for why they prefer the other, the best way to describe it is wether you prefer prime rib or porterhouse - some days I prefer Prime rib, and some days I prefer porterhouse.

quote Originally posted by Shaun41178: Ok I wouldn't say all 4 cylinders stink. Yes there are a ton out there that I respect. Turbo 4's are fast. However the Iron duck stinks. Plain and simple. Can't go past 4500 rpm without fear of grenading something cause the parts are that weak? Come on give me a break. Yea I know the v6 isn't that great by todays standards but its still hands down way better then the Duck. However a little buildup of the 6 and some nitrous like travis and the 6 will compete with todays v8 cars. Hell Mine would give a run to brand new cobras and firebirds and I was only running a 70 shot. Stock internals too by the way. No stock Duke could ever handle anything like that. I never lost to any 4 when I was racing and I rarely got "spanked" by the 8's I doubt Travis will ever get beat by a 4 short of a full race car. You Duck owners have to wake up, stop defending it only cause you own one, and see the duck for what it really is. An old tired piece of iron that doesn't do the Fiero name any good in any way

I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Shaun...
I have FOUR 2m4's and the duck sucks a$$...
That is why I have two 3800's waiting for transplant...
crash...

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: You should be carefull what you wish for there spud. I know that I for one am waking up to the fact that people like you need to understand the difference between facts and your own opinion.

Umm Yea I think my opinion is based on fact. The Duck stinks as an engine. If it was so great it would still be around today, like the 60 degree v6, cause GM would have improved on it to make it better.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: I have done 120mph plus in a well maintained 4 banger on more than one accassion, and it never reached 4500rpm and it didn't fall apart.

I think you should go back and read what I wrote. I never said a Duck can't do 120 mph nor did I say it couldn't do it at no less then 4500 rpm. I said it can't be reved past 4500 rpm without the worry of it grenading cause the parts are too weak. Why do you think the orange line starts at 4500 rpm? Its right on your Tach for christs sake. Open your eyes. GM knows the parts are weak. Its a weak engine.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: I know your type Shaun. You think your hot $h-t because you probably blew away some nice young kid in a daily driver high mileage 4 cyl Fiero with your well maintained V6 Fiero.

Actually I think I am "hot $h-t" cause I blew away Vettes and the V8 boys. Fieros with Ducks are a waste of gas. I would laugh my @ss off if you pulled up in your duck and gave me pipe.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: You must be what, 14 years old? Like I said to Sloth, come on up to NH and put your car where your unintelligent mouths are, or just shut the heck up please.

Yes I am 14 with a nitrous powered Fiero and I drive it all the time. I like to drive illegally cause the driving age is 16 in ohio and I like to break the law Great powers of deductive reasoning you have there Steve. And what I am going to drive up to NH to prove that my v6 with nitrous is faster then your old tired Duck? And don't go and say "through the twisties" like every other 4 cylinder owner says to justify why they own a Duck. We are talking about straightline performance here cause if we were talking about suspension then the thread would have a different title. Come on man we both know that your Duck will get spanked hard. You aren't worth my time. Hell most Stangs aren't worth my time anymore.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: And now a moment of silence as Shaun also realizes that reality just hit him right smack in his big mouth.

And now a moment of silence as Steve raps his lips around my wang.

quote Originally posted by Fiero5: 4 bangers rule!!! Live with it!

Luckily I don't have to.

PS. Anyone know where I can get some HUGE Pegasus decals for the hood of my Fiero? I would love to put one on if I could or hell maybe two! That would look so cool!.

Peace and Iron Duck forever

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Shaun 85 GT with nitrous
0-60 in 5.6 seconds
Shaun41178@hotmail.com
**** FOREVER!

"And now a moment of silence as Steve raps his lips around my ----."

Well, here we see the true mentality of our little boy Shaun and people like him. What an absolutely moronic, childish and inappropriate comment for a "public" forum or anyplace for that matter.

Funny how Shaun says I am not worthy of his time. Looks like the guy calling the 4 bangers ducks, is actually a chicken himself. I called you out Shaun and what do you do? You put your tail between your legs and run away. Don't worry Shaun, I have heard all the excuses, once boys like you have there bluff called.
I also hate to burst your bubble there boy, but graphics on cars have been around since the early days of automobiles on thru the muscle cars (good job insulting all those people) thru current models today. Keep up your childish verbal attacks and you might succede in insulting every single car lover that exists, if you haven't allready.

I am always amazed where some like to pass there time by trying to bash the 4 cyl. Fieros because it can't do a 4 second quarter mile, or can't top end passed 160mph.

I don't remember ever reading any rules anywhere saying that anyone who wanted to own a Fiero, had to first drop thousands of dollars into the engine, just to make everyone else who thinks that way happy.

Bottom line: I love all Fieros. This forum is a Fiero forum, not Shauns V6 nitro only forum.
Fact: I can personally attest that a well maintained stock 4 cyl. can perform as well as a well maintained stock V6. If you want to add a turbo or nitrous to your V6, that's fine. I know of some 4 cyl Fieros that have those on them also, and they have spanked idiots like you on many accassions. I bet you never heard of the phrase, "It's not always the car, but many times the driver,"
I am willing to take on your oh so mean nitro Fiero blah, blah with my choice of one of my stock 4 cyl. Maybe the one with the most graphics
Am I little crazy? Maybe. But at least I'm not chicken.

So Shaun, think you can spank this 4 banger?

Trust me, it's a wolf in... well actually it's alot meaner than that. Now after this one slaps you around a bit, then you can get your sorry butt up out of the ditch and try your luck against this one

You know, it's sad to think that you feel the need to act like such a wuss. It sounds like you have a nice Fiero, one that many people including myself might like to see some day. It's too bad we as a Fiero community are starting to decide that the owner of that nice Fiero may not be someone we want to meet.

I think it's time to seperate the men from the boys.
Everyone line up now.
Looks like the babes know where to stand

Steve
Still proud to be a 4 cyl Fiero owner

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[This message has been edited by Fiero5 (edited 09-25-2001).]

I am a wuss cause I won't drive all the way up to NH to race your slow Duck? HAHAHAHa LOL. You crack me up Steve. How about you drive down here and I will race you on my huffy. Or are you chicken? What you just said is like me sending an email to John Hennessey and telling him that if he doesn't bring his twin turbo Viper down here to race me then he is a chicken. See how stupid that sounds? Of course John would just laugh in my face which is what I am going to do to you. HAHA

And me making that comment about my wang was to show how stupid you sounded with your "slap to reality comment". Cause oh yea I was slapped into reality.

Nope didnt' burst my bubble. Yes Graphics have been around for a long time and on muscle cars. But not cheesy (IMO) large pegasus decals that makes the hood look like trash. And I wasn't trashing everyones car with graphics on it, just yours with that ugly (IMO) huge 2 dimensional pegasus. Sorry if that stings but its not good looking. So don't put words in my mouth please.

I also never said that this was Shauns V6 nitro forum. You seem to like to put words in peoples mouths. If that is your argueing style then please take a debate class.

When you say a well maintained stock 4 cyl can perform as well as a maintained stock v6, what exactly do you mean by that? If you mean in handling then I would say yes to that as far as 85-87 V6 models. 88 would be another story. You would have to pit a 88 vs an 88 to get a true comparison and even then the formula or GT would still out handle the base model cause of the ws6 suspension on it. However if you think the well maintained 4 will hang with the stock v6 you have got to be joking!!! Everyone knows it won't. No magazine ever came close to getting a 4 to the same times in acceleration to a 6. So how can you make a statement like that? HAHA That just cracks me up.

Yes my car could spank that 4 if it is stock. The red GT is nice and if it is stock as well then yes that will lose as well. You can try but you would still lose over and over again. You won't be chicken but with all your talk you might be a bit red in the face and green with envy.

[B]It's too bad we as a Fiero community are starting to decide that the owner of that nice Fiero may not be someone we want to meet[B]

Speak for yourself Steve. Not everyone hates me.

Those girls look nice. But that doesn't mean your car is the bomb. I am sure they posed in front of a ton of cars that day. Yours was "just another one"

If the 4 is so great then why are so many people on here going to a 6 or going to an engine conversion? You say a 4 can keep up with a 6 but it cant and everyone knows that.

We can continue this if you like but not here. Just private message me. Forum doesn't need to see this anymore.

[This message has been edited by FieroMaster88 (edited 09-25-2001).]

And to think..I was trying to stay out of this....

Ok...EVERY car I have had (89 Buick century, 150K miles when sold, 86 Chevy S10, 165K miles when sold, 84 Fiero, 194K when sold and my 86SE, 90K when sold) Have had the 2.5L. It is a VERY reliable engine. My 88 came with the 2.5L, I wanted more performance options than the 2.5, so I swapped to a 2.8 and a 5 speed. But now that all this is going on I wish I would have kept the 2.5. All you are doing is succeeding in making the V6 croud look like morons.

As for the reliability issue, the 2.8 is not a very reliable engine either. They are known for rear main oil leaks, exhaust manifold leaking problems, weak lifters and pushrods just to name a few. And 140 or less HP..that's pathetic! Most 4 cyl HONDA's put that much power out.

Ok...there, I have said it. Take your cheap shots, because that seems to be all you have. Enjoy loosing to all the import boys..then making fun of them to make yourself fell better.

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AOL IM Name: FieroMaster88
Not your ordinary 88 coupe!

I've tried to stay away from this one but the flames are a' goin.

First, I do remember that Scott's 2.5 (now a 3.4) beat monkeyman's 2.8. And I don't think monkey's car was that tired because of how much work he puts into them. So yes, a 2.5 in perfect condition can beat a middle condition V6.

Second, I have a lot of respect for 4 bangers, theres a 10 SECOND mitsu eclipse awd turbo 4 running around here and its FASTER then FAST. I'm fairly sure if someone built up a duke (SD4) and put a huge turbo on it then it would blow the doors off a V6, it might even be as fast as a built up turboed V6, who knows...

third, opionion is something that everyone has, one person may think graphics are cheesy, and love big wings and wheels that barely fit in the fenders. another person may love graphics and laugh at big wings and people running dubs, its all opinion, and no matter what you say, your not going to change someones opinion. I personally like a lot of rice cars (nicely done ones). The only reson that I would put nitrous on my car is to get the cool purging effect, but I dont think its worth it, besides, I dont want to gernade a $3000+ motor.

fourth, If I knew that someone knew my times (sig) and they had a "Stock" duke, and wanted to race... I'd be weary, I tell people that my 3.2 stroker is a stock 4 cyl all the time and they belive it until they see my tailights, then they wonder about the big hood scoop on the back.

I'm done with this thread now.... I bet it will be locked shortly anyways...

peace

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Aaaw, and just when I thought I was finally getting thru to you

"Speak for yourself Steve. Not everyone hates me."

No, maybe not yet. But at least you have goals

"Those girls look nice. But that doesn't mean your car is the bomb."

I think it's fair to say that mine is as much "the bomb" as yours. Of course yours doesn't have 3 babes all over it either

"I am sure they posed in front of a ton of cars that day. Yours was "just another one"

Wrong again spudly do-wrong. The girls only posed in front of 4 other vehicles

But that's OK, one day you might grow up and maybe then you can get that kind of attention.

"If the 4 is so great then why are so many people on here going to a 6 or going to an engine conversion?"

Hmmm, looks like there are over 2000 members here. I don't think the 50 or 60 we here from on here who have "converted" to a V6, say they will or say they may at some point doesn't constitute a majority.

"You say a 4 can keep up with a 6 but it cant and everyone knows that."

That's interesting, you complained among other things that I was talking for everyone. Then YOU say "everyone" knows it. You should re-read some of the now 3 pages of this ludicrous thread. It doesn't look like everyone agrees with you.

Sorry.

"We can continue this if you like but not here. Just private message me. Forum doesn't need to see this anymore."

Funny, I thought that's what this idiotic thread was all about?

That's OK, I will let you off the hook. Were trying to clean up the side of streets anyway.

Sincerely,

Another proud Fiero owner
Both 4 cyl and 6 cyl models

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""I bet it will be locked shortly anyways...""

Uh-Oh...
I better put something in while I still have time...

ah this should about do it...

LOL, sorry I had to!

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88 Fiero Coupe...

Lots of respect to 4 cylindar owners (heck I am one) but I will settle this debate.

Race a stock 4 cylindar fiero and a stock 6 cylindar fiero. Who wins? ENOUGH SAID

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**I wish I had a GT**

OK how can someone say a perfectly running 4 cyl. can beat a perfectly running 6 cyl.

HELLO?!?! Do you not understand the concept of Hp. One has 140 Hp. One has 95 Hp. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure it out. Name one magazine that has a 4 cyl running faster then 9 seconds to 60 mph. Now, name one magazine that has a V6 slower then 9 seconds to 60 mph. All this B.S. about Joe Blow's 4 cyl beat Jack Inoff with a 6 cyl. mean nothing to me. These are 2 different drivers, in a very unscientific test. There could be a number of things wrong with either one that will significantly hurt performance (i.e. EGR)

Also, the guy who said that cracked exhaust manifolds make the 2.8 unreliable. Well, I hate to be the one to break this to you, but exhaust manifolds are not in the engine block, believe it or not. Also, I have never heard of lifters being a flaw of the 2.8. I have heard bottom end oiling problems with early 2.8s which will lead to spun bearings. But lifters and pushrods? C'mon stop making this stuff up.

NEVER, EVER forget which car gave the Fiero the bad reputation it has and will forever have.

Oh, GOD! I can't stop myself! It's on the top of the page anyway....

Master_sushi: ROFLMAO

Uh, people: WHO cares?!? Both engines have their good points. This thread was dredged up by a troll. Let it DIE. I won't post here again. PLEASE let it DIE...

damn, I'm still laughing at Master_Sushi
rofl

All I have to say (for now) is that you cannot judge how fast or slow a car is by counting the number of cylinders. That goes for V6s and V8s, too. Think about it.

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sqoach@yahoo.com

^^^^^^new project^^^^^^

84 SE (FOR SALE)*SOLD(?)*

85 Coupe (parts car)($50)*sale pending*

86 SC

Can't we all just get along? This is an OLD thread, and you two a$$wads, take your flaming somewhere else. We as Fiero owners need to learn to respect each other and stand up for each other, because honestly, there's a lot of people out there that hate our cars. Mach10 was right, it's an old thread dredged up by a troll. I'm sure it's convinced more people than just me that my views were ignorant and stubborn. Now Cliff, I'm begging you, PLEASE lock this thread.

I agree

this thread has gone on long enough and everyone has said there piece

and and as for a 4 banger not going into the 9s there are 2 atleast that I know of (both honda if I remember right) pulling 8 something in the 1/4 and that is a fwd car
there is also a green one that is pulling the 1/4 in the 7 second range

but see a 4 banger can do that

and you know I was thinking of getting a 6 to go with a fiero if I bought one. forget that after hearing some of the ppl here I will just go out see if I can figure out how to get a rotary in there :-D
that way I dont have any pistons to worry about with this stupid bickering match

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It seems to me Steve never said a 4 cyl could beat a 6. He said that it can hold it's own. BIG difference.
I know that it is true. My 88 is currently a 4 cyl, and I do just fine keeping up with the "big" boys.
I hope to upgrade mine to a 6 at some point. I do it more for looks than for performance. I think the V6 Plenum looks so cool, especially the engraved ones. I also like the side sail scoops and Mecham scoops too, even though they are also only for looks. I don't really need to get a V6 for power or performace, as my 4 like many others I am sure do just fine for what it needs to do. Besides, once you get on the highway what good does a 150 mph plus engine do for you anyway? I can be doing 65, and if I need to, blast around a truck or whatever. I can step on it at 65 or 70 and get a rush as my 88 quickly excellerates to get the job done.

I do realize that at shows, the mentality is always who has the bigger badder engine. Who has beafed it up, modded it to the extreme, etc. It seems to me that many times (not always) the Fiero with the monster engine is considered over the more stock models. I can see where this comes from. When you go to a show, and you have 20 Fieros all lines up in one section/class that all look pretty much the same, it's the extras that help make it stand out from the rest. The engine being a big one.

Steve get's pretty upset when people really want to slam 4 cyl owners. He get's very concerned about those who may decide twice about getting a Fiero, or any Fiero for that matter as they might get a one sided and incorrect impression of the Fiero. That is where he is coming from with all this.

Marian

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[This message has been edited by LVMY88 (edited 09-26-2001).]

quote Originally posted by HummelHund: I think all of you are wrong. V8's and V6's are too big, I4's too small. Go 5 cylinder! I had an 86' Audi Coupe with an I-5 and it was great. Real torquey down low and the best sound ever to come out of a single exhaust tip. Sort of a refined growl. And it was naturally aspirated. Ha!

Screw cylinders... go rotary!!!!

This isn't about who has the bigger engine. This is about a guy who thinks because his car has nice paint jobs and fancy stickers on the hood that it's now fast. That is what we like to call a ricer! Like I said befor I don't care what engine is in your fiero ...but when you make stupid comments comparing your 4 cyl. to the 6 I gotta call you on it. It's idiotic. And by the way don't compare your duke to Jap. 4 cylinders. This country has yet to make a good 4 banger engine. The difference is simple you can red line and beat the liveing hell out of honda engines all day. Do that to a duke and you'll be looking for a new engine. Run me off the road in your duke... heheheheh

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That's funny. I have watched a few import drag meets on ESPN2...seems like the outcome of at least half the races is determined when one Honda or the other blows up.

quote Originally posted by Galen: edit: I forgot to mention, as friendly as I can be(and yes I can be friendly). I do hope every duke owner(and 4tech owner gotta be PC) bashes the 2.8 out of ya ... just for the single fact, the 84 IndyPace car could walk all over your 2.8.

Huh? I have an Indy with 4 speed, and I don't think it could beat my 88GT. How do you figure?

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This thread is so hilarious.
There's so much BS in here from both sides that I can't help but laughing. Sorry.

[This message has been edited by Leper (edited 09-26-2001).]

By popular request, this thread is now closed.

Oh, and from now on, we all drive 5 cylinder cars.