with all the negativity on both boardsi think this will help us understand each other better.

i'd like to use this thread as either a "pat on the back" or a faq thread for the "other" guy's car. (no flaming, no negativity)

as a 87 mr2 owner, i really don't know much about fiero's. i just learned that they came out in 1983, when i had thought it was 1984 (like the mr2 release in japan).

i would like to say that although i love my mr2, fiero's are nicer looking cars, from every angle, imo.

my first question; what are the most common engine swaps for fiero's?

The most popular I think is the 350 chevy.
But I think about every engine has been tried. lol
Quad 4
3.1-3.4 v6
3800 N/A
3800 SC
3800 with a turbo
4.1-4.9 Caddy
Northstar Caddy
LT1
and many many more

What about mr2's Do people swap different engines in them?

oh course!!!

we just dont have as manny people swapping as you do.

Our engines are called 4A-GE. There are variations of that engine that can be swapped or other engines all together.

My MR2 for example has a 1991 JDM 4A-GE "small port" high compression.

types of 4A-GE's:
regular NA: 115 hp
Small Port NA: 140 hp
Regualar Super charged: 145 hp/ 145 ftlb tq.
JDM Super charged: 165 hp/ 160 ft lb tq.
JDM 20 vlave NA 4A-GE: 165 hp ( 8500 rpm redline)

Then there has been:
RX7 Turbo II rotory converion
MR2 Turbo engine
Many custom set ups...

Okay falling asleap...sorry

Marco

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Good Idea man)

the funniest thing happened today I was taking my sister to the mall and a older MR2 pulls out in front of me and she YELLS hey look at that fiero.

I'm running a 3.2ltr putting out around 180/190hp, My old 87 Fiero had a 3.4 putting out around 240hp but my friend put it in a tree)

My future plans are to put a 3.8ltr 3800 supercharged engine in, stock they run 13.2 at over 100mph.

I thought I saw pics of an MR-2 with a Lexus V8 in it. Does anyone have anymore info on this swap. It would be kinda like our Northstar Fieros.

Jim
87 GT
87 GT V8 T-TOP

Hi Guys, welcome to the fourm! I think you'll find that most of us have a love for anything mid-engined in general, so hey, bonous! :)

I'm currently working on a 4.6litre Northstar (it's a 32valve all aluminum engine that GM built. and it's not only powerful, but fun and reliable, who knew?! :)

I read that the motor used in the gen2 Turbo MR2s (nice cars, I wouldn't mind owning one AT ALL ! :) is essentially the same engine (block and heads at least) as used in certin 'celica' rally cars, and that it will safely rev to ~9,000rpm (if the proper synthetic fluds that all of us should be using anyway are there :)

I had no idea you had so many engine options, that 5-valve JDM sounds awesome, I wonder what it would do with a turbo?!

PS: on asthetics, I think most fieros do look better than most Gen1 MR2s, but I think the Gen2s (at least with the turbo's larger wheels) can stand toe-to-toe.

The new Spyder is a bit soft, but otherwise an awesome car of it's own sort. I can't wait for the S version!!!

Best!
Ben.

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Ben Cannon
88 Formula, T-top Metalic Red
88 Formula, Silver
87 Coupe, Metalic Red
"Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives"
-Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

Welcome to our forum.

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Modified 2.8
2.5" Drop
11" Brakes
17" Revolutions
RCC Coilover Suspension

thanks.
i haven't heard about the lexus v8 swap. the problem is there is a lot more modding done japan. as you can see, the best partsare from japan.
another swap that has been done is the 3s-gte from the mkii mr2 turbo). the us one come with 200/200, jdm have 245hp. those are a tight squeeze, tho, and the engine has to be tilted. (i may buy one this week, the guy may sell it for dirt cheap)
and yes, that motor is the same on the rally celica and the JSTC (sp?) supra's, which are over 600hp.

I've got a J spec 4AGZE.. but don't have a computer.. anyone want it? $600 got it from Best japanese Engines for $850.. new TB, WP, and TPS. It was gunna go in my friends AE86 GTS but he got a 20valve instead..

the Lexus 1UZ-FE would be killer in a MKII but i haven't seen that swap... it would fit in our cars too..

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Welcome Al, and others..

I've already said in the other threads that I have nothing against MR2s. Loved them when they first came out and then loved them even more when the 2nd generation came out. Same way I felt about Fieros. As I said earlier, my love of all cars of this platform started with my first Fiat X1/9. The Bertone design is really the original of these cars and started with his Ferrari creations.

The Fieros did come out in 1983, Al, but as a 1984 car. All cars do this, usually being introduced around September.

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Tennessee Fiero Owners

i know, but for some reason i thought the fiero's came out that same year, like the us mr2's ( my 87 was made in march 87, or later, i have to check).
now i have to find out when the 1984 jdm mr2 came out.

i don't have any particular interest in mr2's. nothing bad to say about them though, they're just another type of car someone else chooses. i am hoping though for my own selfish reasons if one of the people who has access to both a fiero and a mk11 mr2 can measure and eyeball the front facias to see if that shogun front facia will adapt to a fiero. i'd appreciate it.

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Phil T.

SERENITY NOW!!!!

I don't think the 350 chevy is the most popular swap. It's been around for longer then the 3800. If you take that into account I would say the 3800 is the most popular. Fact of the matter is, you can make a 3800 S/C put out the same Hp with less weight/mods needed.

quote Originally posted by AL2: as a 87 mr2 owner, i really don't know much about fiero's. i just learned that they came out in 1983, when i had thought it was 1984 (like the mr2 release in japan).

The Fiero was Designed/conceptualize in 1978. They planned to bring out the car in 1981 but the GM corporate office kept delaying funds and development. They kept wanting to keep the design and build costs down. (Hence using "off-the-shelf" parts) Finally Pontiac got the "go-ahead" to start making them in 1983 for the 1984 model year.
In reality, The Fiero was to be simular to the Porsche 914. If you sit a Fiero and a 914 next to each other there are many simularities. From what I remember back them the MR2 was to compete with the Honda CRX in the 2-seater market in Japan. The IMSA racing association classed the Fiero with RX-7's and Celica/Supra's for the GTU class. The MR2 was classed with the CRX and others in the GTU Lights class. I find it funny that the car magazines back then always compared the MR2 to a Fiero. That is like the article I saw that compared the Lexus, BMW, and Jeep Gran Cherokee SUV's to a Dodge Durango. The biggest complaint was the Durango handled like a truck! Considering the Durango was built on a truck platform and the others on a uni-body to give them the "car like ride".

If you compare performance data the Fiero is more like an RX-7. In the 90's the RX-7 had twin turbo's and such which made the car extremely fast. We'll never know what might have become of the Fiero if Pontiac was allowed to keep it going. A 3800 with a SuperCharger would be the logical upgrade.

I think both cars are nice, It's just personally I like the Fiero better. Just like many of the MR2 folks. They just like their cars.

A while ago I recall someone posting some pics of a Fiero with a 455ci! That thing was crazy!!!!!!!

hey Philphine:

That would look pretty good.
I've got both a MKII and an GT Fiero, I'll do some measuring for you. From memory I know the Fiero is a bit wider but I can't say exactly hom much. If I don't post any numbers by the weekend shoot me an E-mail and hurry me up. Right now my Deuce is apart for a complete suspension upgrade and I keep finding broken things I need to fix so my half-day project is going on day five. Once it's together I'll get back to you.

also in the 1st gen MR2.

3800cc Supercharged GM V6 engine
and a toyota supercharged V6 engine.

The 1st gen. MR2 Rally Car is 600 HP.

Anyone can do any swap in any car, with the right amount of sweat and $$$$$$. You guys can just put the Big stuff in easier

Marco

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Well..I dont know how many people know this...but i did an engine swap on my car. I had the 4 cyl automatic in it. Was way too slow for me. So i found a stock 2.8L ANd a 5 speed trans. Took about 3 days with a cherry picker, jack, 2 jackstands and minimal tools. Boy do I love it. How hard is it to swap another engine into a MR2? I would imagine it would be about the same as the fiero...but i am not sure.

Are there any MR2 owners here in southwest Michigan? I dont see ANY! There are only about 6 fiero's round here...and I know the owner of every one. Dont see much of either car.

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James Essar
AOL IM Name: FieroMaster88
88 Coupe With a new V6:D

muhahahah. all of these swaps are for the first gen MR2 by the way. There was a lexus v8 powered second generation MR2. here's the link, known as the MC8R by SARD. This car also raced in LeMans if I remember correctly:
http://www.mr2.com/TEXT/Sard_MC8R.html

and a picture *drool* this aside from the Group B rally MR2 is my favorite. It's just so....tasty.

What bodykits are out there for fieros? I've seen some pretty wild ones, and I guess that the fiberglass panels lend themselves to being switched out fairly easily.

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1987 Toyota MR2 N/A 5 speed
http://www.atlantamr2s.com
http://www.geocities.com/darionscard

Notable mods: Sus tech springs and sway bars, Toyota strut tower brace, KYB strut inserts, HKS exhaust, NGK plugs/wires, Momo Racer wheels (14x6), Custom intake, Kenwood 12" speaker in front trunk, Jensen amp.

Turning a NA mr2 MK1 , into a SC mr2 is a big swap , you think it would be a lot easier than it is. I know one guy about to do the swap and he said it is very involved. Another friend has an 89 SC and just put in a new motor from japan. The best MK1's for racing purposes are the 85 cars, they look the same as the rest , but the weight difference is quite large. My friends 89SC is the same weight as a GT , around 2700-2800lbs. Theres a guy in our club with an 85 , weighs 2200lbs ..stock

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Jonathan McCreery
86 GT 4spd
Koni's , Coilovers, Big Bars , 17" Trmotorsports Typhoons , 11.25" vented discs, Wilwood 4 Piston Calipers , Pirelli P Zero's, Short Shift, No cat , Cold air induction , Geni Stainless tips, White face gauges , Momo shift , momo pedals, White face Gauges , 70Hp Shot of NOS Autocrossed , Tracked , Dragged? (soon) abused.

also in 85 they had a thicker rear sway bar stock than 89, and those were the only two years to have a rear sway bar installed. 86 through 88 didn't have this.

the 85s are better on several counts. that being one of them, but I would quickly do the basic upgrades to the brakes and transmission before I would race it. Problems with warping rotors and 5th gear popout were eliminated in mid-year 86.

prolly would have to say an 88 GT is my prime pick for a fiero. I love the suspension setup you guys got. Double wishbown Ownz jo0 . however, we got stuck with McPherson. ugh...positive turn in camber sucks. But, eh. Each to his own.

Would like to get a fiero, drop in a v8 longitudinally, then mod the suspension to hell and back. talk about perma-grin.

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1987 Toyota MR2 N/A 5 speed
http://www.atlantamr2s.com
http://www.geocities.com/darionscard

Notable mods: Sus tech springs and sway bars, Toyota strut tower brace, KYB strut inserts, HKS exhaust, NGK plugs/wires, Momo Racer wheels (14x6), Custom intake, Kenwood 12" speaker in front trunk, Jensen amp.

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: The best MK1's for racing purposes are the 85 cars, they look the same as the rest , but the weight difference is quite large.

that's rue, except the "look the same" part.
out of all the mki's i'd say the 85 looks the most different.
this is an 85

only the 85 had had the black side moldings, wing, bumper guard stuff, side skirts...

do fiero's come with power steering? all, or optional, or none?

no powersteering...... how about the Mr2?

just a question for pearl blue soul? I know youve rode in both an Mr2 and a Fiero GT, does the Mr2 really handle that much better like everyone tells me or is it almost the same?

well its nice of u to vioce your opinion

well since i am the original AL in this forum,i have to say that it's true,we all have a counter part somewhere,nice to meet you AL2,that wouldn't be your red mr2 would it? .AL
84 INDY 4 speed(stole it)
86GT (rebuilt)
89 Ws6 GTA

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Carl Crawford's V6 MR2
http://www.bryanf.com/MR2/v6mr2.htm

quote Originally posted by Formula: no powersteering...... how about the Mr2? just a question for pearl blue soul? I know youve rode in both an Mr2 and a Fiero GT, does the Mr2 really handle that much better like everyone tells me or is it almost the same?

The MKI's dont have power steering, but a lot of the MKII's do. I've rode in a 88 Fomula and I have to say that the fiero understeers a bit more. However, he was much faster than I could be in the corners because he had koni's and springs and some sticky tires..

The 455 cid pics that you saw in the past was a request from Pontiac Motorsports to Gary Zumalt to be build and show it in a show room.

quote Originally posted by AL: we all have a counter part somewhere,nice to meet you AL2,that wouldn't be your red mr2 would it?

so, we finally meet, my evil twin.
i still can't figure out why i didn't just use al instead of AL2, i don't use caps much.

but no, that's uspspro2 mr2. but mine is red, too, w/o all that black stuff that i mentioned is on the 85 only.

it freaks mut that i see AL posting and it's not me. i must have close to, if not, more than 6000 posts as AL in other boards.

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What years did the MR-2 come with a super charger? Why did they stop selling MR-2's with SC's, did the turbo have more power?

Keep in mind that I don't know very much about them but I am interested in learning.

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Dave Gunsul
N.I.F.E. member
86 GT modified
85 SE daily driver

the sc was introduced for the 1986 model year everywhere, except N.A. where it came here for 1988 and 89.
the us spec ones only made about 140-145, i think. they were good for 0-60 in just under 7 sec's.

the turbo started with the mkii in 1991(more weight, cost, power, luxury...).
the us had 200hp and 200ft-lbs. jdm mkii's lasted from 1990-1999 and had offered 200hp in the na version and atleast 245 in the turbo. i think it should run 13's stock, not 100% sure though.

Mr2 types: How does the first gen's handling compare to the second gen's handling?

Wow, that's not bad at all.
Any of you MR-2 owners want to give me a ride in one of those?

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Dave Gunsul
N.I.F.E. member
86 GT modified
85 SE daily driver

Has Toyota stopped producing the MR2 now completely, in favour of the MRS?

And why the Hell doesn't Toyota sell the MRs in Canada? Bastards...

quote Originally posted by Tonker: Mr2 types: How does the first gen's handling compare to the second gen's handling?

the MKI will give u a more go kart feeling, however the MKII has much better handling

if it's a short auto-x i think the 85 handles best, like mr-bad said.
suspension between the na's and xxxxxcharged are the same, but the na's are lighter, so the sc and turbo won't handle as well, only by a little, though.
as far as a gt car, i agree, the mkii would be more stable.
the mkiii (mr2 spyder) probably handle the best since they're the newest and easily the lightest (probably also understeer the most).

Dave Gunsul, i wish i had one of those to give you a ride in. (wait, which one are you talking about?)

Are they going to put an 180 hp engine (Celica GT?) in the Spyder? I heard from the local MR2 club that it wouldn't fit.

the celica gt engine is the spyder engine
the 180hp one your talking abot is the gts engine.

why it's not offered as an option, along with the 6-speed, i can't understant. the only thing i've heard is that toyota wanted to go back to a fun, affordable car, and the 180hp and 6psd would raise the price and insurance as well.

both celica engine are 1.8L, but i don't think they can just be swapped, tranny's won't match up i, think, and i don't know about the mounts, but they might not either.
i believe the 2 engines have nothing in common with each other.

oh, since i was at the "impounded" thread;
mki mr2's don't have cupholders, i know some people MUST have cupholders.

quote Originally posted by AL2: the only thing i've heard is that toyota wanted to go back to a fun, affordable car

And all the dealers around here F'ed that idea up. They will only sell them with an $11,000 appearance package (aero lower body panels).