I don't know if this is going to work but I'm try ing to post a picture of the delorean store in Cleveland Ohio
if this don't work tell me how

also theres a place in Texas that make new deloreans www.delorean.com

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If I understand correctly, the stainless steel body panels were not solid sheets of stainless steel - they were fiberglass/plastic of some sort with a thin sheet of stainless steel formed on the outside of them.

DeLorean would have built his car anywhere he could have
I saw a green DeLorean that looked pretty cool.
There's another one that I see alot, usually at car washes for some reason.

Bzzzted, that blue(purple?) Pantera looks sweet!
The red one, not so much.
That cop car looks awesome too!

quote Originally posted by FieroKyle: Here is my question: "If he would have stayed with GM and not made the De Lorean, would the Pontiac Fiero even existed or what would it be like if they did make it???" Just a thought. Are cars in the yard might be called De Loreans instead, =). lol

Who do you think put the mid engine bug in GM? The Fiero would probably have been built right, with the blessing of GM. I also doubt that Fiero's would have been called DeLoreans. As for what either car would have been like if things were different, DeLorean was also a big fan of turbine engines.

Hell yeah. If John DeLorean had stayed with GM, he'd have told the Corvette lobby to shove it up their a$$.

The Fiero would have soared under his leadership, and the DMC-12 probably would still have been made in a form close to what existed anyway.

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Patrick W. Heinske -- LZeitgeist@aol.com
1988 Red Fiero Formula
- 1st Place - Stock Coupe - FOCOSEVA 2000
- 3rd Place - Stock Formula - FOCOA Nat'l 2001

john delorean designed the GTO !
then became vice president of Pontiac

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They look cool but are slow as hell! My se would run it off the road. When I delivered pizza their was a guy who was always a dollar tip until I saw he had one in his garage. I mentioned to him how cool they are and he tipped me 5 bucks and took me out to the garage to let me sit in it and show it off. Always got a good tip after that!

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Hey, that Texas link above described an open house this weekend, right here in Houston! I'll call the 800 number tomorrow to ask if it's open to non-DeLorean owners. If so, I'll take all the pics I can.

Thanks for that link!

That would be great Cheever! Thanks. Yeah too bad De Lorean didn't stay with GM. If he would have stayed with it may be he would have his own branch off GM called DMC, like other branches like chevy, caddy, buick, pontiac. He might of made the Corvette better than what it was through the 80's. This whole De Lorean thing has been a big topic.

I read somewhere that by buying that $3,000 watch that you were assured a new delorean when they came out. Anyone know anything about this?

Josh

America's only mass produced rear engine car..

and no ..you can't drive it

JM

quote Originally posted by JBGehling: I read somewhere that by buying that $3,000 watch that you were assured a new delorean when they came out. Anyone know anything about this? Josh

yes and no it does finance the new cars coming out but you don't get a new delorean you get a discount and you get on a mailing list like my dad. he would get holiday cards some times buy the dmc company !

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Thats very interesting about the watch and the Gold DMC 12. What was Chevy's goal or purpose with putting the engine in the rear of the Corvair?

quote Originally posted by LZeitgeist: Whenever I see a painted DeLorean, the first thought that comes to mind is "Damn... dumba$$ wrecked it and was too cheap to

If my mind serves me correctly, the Delorian was offered in a limited amount of colors in its last year of production. Red was one of them.

Rob D.

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2.5" Drop
11" Brakes
17" Revolutions
RCC Coilover Suspension

The DeLorean's last year of production was the first half of the '83 model year, and the company was going under fast. They spent their time making as many cars as they could with whatever parts were left on the shelves and putting them out the door, not coming up with new options to prolong the manufacturing process.

Besides - I can't see John DeLorean selling his 'stainless steel beauties' with a coat of paint covering them up. I think you may have been misinformed...

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Patrick W. Heinske -- LZeitgeist@aol.com
1988 Red Fiero Formula
- 1st Place - Stock Coupe - FOCOSEVA 2000
- 3rd Place - Stock Formula - FOCOA Nat'l 2001

quote Originally posted by LZeitgeist: The DeLorean's last year of production was the first half of the '83 model year, and the company was going under fast. They spent their time making as many cars as they could with whatever parts were left on the shelves and putting them out the door, not coming up with new options to prolong the manufacturing process. Besides - I can't see John DeLorean selling his 'stainless steel beauties' with a coat of paint covering them up. I think you may have been misinformed...

Must have been misinformed to some extent. I just called the company to verify and no, it was in brushed stainless only. They were planning on producing painted models but it never came to fruit. Oh and WOOHOO my 100th post!

Rob D.

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11" Brakes
17" Revolutions
RCC Coilover Suspension

Whoohoo! Happy 100th post!

Yeah, painting the stainless would uh, sorta wreck the whole idea of having the stainless steel. But another thing, brushed stainless steel is harder than heck to clean. I wonder how some people keep their De Loreans clean.

quote Originally posted by FieroKyle: Thats very interesting about the watch and the Gold DMC 12. What was Chevy's goal or purpose with putting the engine in the rear of the Corvair?

Thats a good question. I know Porsche (ferdinand or Ferrie) had ahand in the development and design of the corvair and as a result recieved a new corvair every year of production. apperently ferrie still has a gold 69 which he drives on a regular basis.

I posted a pic of the motor in my dads corvair (th eone I posted above) Single cam Flat 6 , 2.7ltrs stock , this one is around 2.9-3ltrs. This motor has Tripple webers , ie a single throat carb for every cylinder. This required specaial heads and manifolds.

I have always loved the Corvair, I'm amazed at the way the car corners , it's predicatability, it's the easiest car I have ever autocrossed. We have a 911 RS with a slew of mods , it doesn't allow any mistakes when driving the car hard. The corvair is a great car to learn to drive fast in. If you can drive a corvair or a Fiero fast your a damm good driver. I have let friends with Miatas at autocrosses try my Fiero , they can't get over the heavy steering , you have to beat it hard to go fast.

The corvairs long wheel base (108") makes any transitions in handling seem very gradual. You can drift the car with ease. Try that in a Fiero.... I will call the tow truck now , because if you have basically stock suspension , your gonna need it.

I have had a lot of experience driving ..and most of the time over driving some really well setup cars. Corvettes , 911's , Fiero's , 240 Datsuns. The corvair is by far the most enjoyable. The 911 you drive with white knuckles , it's one of the hardest cars to drive Fast. a c4 vette setup right will basically drive itself , you just have to learn to squeeze the throttle.

I'm still learning to drive the Fiero fast. I have been autocrossing it for 5 years. Last year was the biggest transition , it went from a frustrating understeer oversteer situation (with lowering springs and sway bars and koni's) to what I think is about 9 tenths of what a Fiero can perform.

As for corvairs.... My dad and Brother just picked one up on Tuesday in NYS. a 66 4 door (car I grew up with) With factory AC , 140hp 4spd , 43,000 miles , yellow with black interior , and no rust. interior is mint. But still the car will be ripped appart , dipped , repainted , and put back togehter. Even has a Multiplex. Rare car.

Can anyone guess what a multiplex is?? (hehe)

Either way I love my mid / rear engine cars. In our family we have 7 of them

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Jonathan McCreery
86 GT 4spd
Koni's , Coilovers, Big Bars , 17" Trmotorsports Typhoons , 11.25" vented discs, Wilwood 4 Piston Calipers , Pirelli P Zero's, Short Shift, No cat , Cold air induction , Geni Stainless tips, White face gauges , Momo shift , momo pedals, White face Gauges , 70Hp Shot of NOS Autocrossed , Tracked , Dragged? (soon) abused.

What do you mean drive fast? To the car's full cabalities? I don't auto-X but I know some back roads with some steep corners and bankings that I run to hard on at times. LoL. Spun my car out once already. And its just the stock setup. When I do drive it hard in the corner, I feel like the back end is gonna break on my if do anything wrong.

Stainless steel is a heckuva lot less work to clean than clearcoated paint is...

I used to know the name of a couple chemicals that would just wipe away pretty much everything without harming the stainless steel finish (I used to work for Captive-Aire Systems, a factory that made the fire-suppression and ventilation hoods that go over the stoves and ovens in commercial kitchen settings, and the hoods were stainless steel), but I can't think of the names right now... also, I think I'd heard of people blending in scuffs with either an SOS or Brillo pad, but it's been a while.

Im pretty sure I remember the Corvair Spyder being touted as Americas Porsche beater, especially when they came out with the turbo version. I think there reasoning was everyone thought of rear engine when mentioning Porsche so they may have been trying to cash in on that. Man, you know your getting old when you remember the days that corvairs and mustangs came out

quote Originally posted by rogergarrison: Im pretty sure I remember the Corvair Spyder being touted as Americas Porsche beater, especially when they came out with the turbo version. I think there reasoning was everyone thought of rear engine when mentioning Porsche so they may have been trying to cash in on that. Man, you know your getting old when you remember the days that corvairs and mustangs came out

The Corvair was supposed to be a sporty economical car to compete with the Ford Falcon and Pontiac Tempest. The rear engine was to showcase Chevy technology, and to save size/weight in better packaging. It made more sense than front wheel drive at the time (still does, IMO). The Sypder (62-64) added the turbo 150HP engine to compete with sporting cars such as the 914 and 911. All Spyder's were turboed (if I remember correctly) but they were replaced in 65 with the Corsa model, that could be had with or without a turbo.

The late model Yenko Stinger Corvairs were strong competition for BOSS302 Mustangs in SCCA racing at the time. Proof of the platforms solid design. Like the Fiero, perception, not fact, killed the car. Perhaps, if it was becoming competition for the Mustang, Chevy decided to kill it so it couldn't hurt Camaro or Vette sales? Hmmm, where have I heard that before...

FieroKyle: I mean on a Track , really pushing the car. Right now my car exhibts none of the traits of a stock fiero. The cars transitions are a lot more controlled than they have ever been.

I spun my car at 80Mph on a sweeper corner. I was driving on a track for the first time , happened before I could do a thing. Very scary , I lifted in a corner and around she came. The car amazingly slid perfectly sideways down the center of the track.

I needed new undies..espically since this was my first summer , and the Odometer was showing just over 30,000kms

For the Delorean crowd...

There's a twin Turbo Delorean on ebay , no motor pics

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Jonathan McCreery
86 GT 4spd
Koni's , Coilovers, Big Bars , 17" Trmotorsports Typhoons , 11.25" vented discs, Wilwood 4 Piston Calipers , Pirelli P Zero's, Short Shift, No cat , Cold air induction , Geni Stainless tips, White face gauges , Momo shift , momo pedals, White face Gauges , 70Hp Shot of NOS Autocrossed , Tracked , Dragged? (soon) abused.

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: I spun my car at 80Mph on a sweeper corner. I was driving on a track for the first time , happened before I could do a thing. Very scary , I lifted in a corner and around she came. The car amazingly slid perfectly sideways down the center of the track. I needed new undies..espically since this was my first summer , and the Odometer was showing just over 30,000kms

Haha, I spun mine out when I was going through a banked corner on the street at 90 mph. I driven it 85 mph before but I wanted to push the car to see how fast it could take it. SO i went in it at 90 mph and when i started to dive down (in the other lane, this was a left corner). The back end came right around on my when I started to slow it down. Scared the **** out of me.

I thought the joke was that they stopped building the DMC because they kept sucking up the white line down the middle of the road.

I like pantera's better anyway.

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My work of art.(in progress.)

Yeah, Pantera. Looks like something I might like to get into. Used to see them occassionally, but not for years. Forgot all about em. http://www.panteracars.com/carpage.html

How much does a Pantera run???? I love a black GT5, they look mean, haha, lol.

There's always the 'AeroVette', but I don't think it was ever produced... basically, a mid-engined Corvette with swoopier lines (and possibly gull-wing doors?)

quote Originally posted by FieroKyle: Ok, so the list so far for american mid to rear engined cars includes.... Fiero DMC 12 De Lorean Pantera Corvair Ford GT40 (could call this british though) Any others?????

glad you included the delorean as American

corvettes are now mid engine , and I think the f body are to .

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I consider every aspect of them American except for two things:
1. Where it was produced
2. The engine that came in it

But the designer was American and it was designed for Americans with American styling.

quote Originally posted by stsmithgt: I thought the joke was that they stopped building the DMC because they kept sucking up the white line down the middle of the road.

Man, I must be having an off day. It took me a while to get that one.

Kyle, Deloreans look like Lotuses, not exactly Amercan styling, especially in the late 70's and early 80's.

You can find very nice Panteras in the $20,000-$25,000 range. A friend bought a fully restored dark blue one for $24,000. Its pretty sharp, even has a completely polished transaxle. (wear sunglasses when you open hood).

Anybody read about the next Ford GT90 project or whatever it was called in one of the new car mags? It said something about Ford admitting the mustang can never compete with the viper and the like, so this new concept would do it instead...

quote Originally posted by Pontiaddict: Kyle, Deloreans look like Lotuses, not exactly Amercan styling, especially in the late 70's and early 80's.

I don't think they really had much physical features that common on a Lotus. Guess its just me. It took me a sec to get that joke too, so don't feel bad. lol

How much do DeLoreans actually weight? I was under the impression that they didn't actually weight much more than any other car. And if you check out the DeLorean web page at http://www.delorean.com/english/english.asp you can see that you can buy completely restored ones, and they have a performance engine that can be installed that produces more power. The replacement parts are expensive, but what do you expect for a rare car that was only made a couple of years.

And as far as that picture of the Cadillac dealership with the DeLorean sign.... isn't that just because Cadillacs have the "designed by Delorean" badges on them? Most of the dealerships here say that on their signs. Nothing special.