Alright, I thought of this one.......
Fiero GT vs De Lorean?????
The De Lorean was all brushed stainless steel with a 2.8L V-6 which cranked about 140 to 150 hp.
I am think the Fiero by a nose, but I could be wrong. De Loreans were really nice cars......when they ran.

Also I find the De Lorean just as fascinating of a car just as much as the Fiero. They have similar and are more alike than you may think.

Again, I say the Delaorean is not an American car. It's made in Ireland from a Lotus design with a French based engine.
You might as well throw DeTomatso Panteras into the battle, at least they had american engines in them.

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Really????? I always thought the De Lorean was an American car. =( I guess I am dumber than I thought, lol.

hmm de lorean was before my time... anyone have a pic? when i first read de lorean i thought El Camino

deloreans were planned in America, gm said no to Mr. deloreans idea so he got pissed and went to Ireland. he borrowed money from the British government. he made the cars for American market and wouldn't ship the cars to the UK . he went in dept in 1983 , closing his plant down .

but here the good news - he making a new delorean a cheap one for the working man and a million dollar one for racing . and yes the doors still pop up .

I met Mr. delorean at a delorean party and show in Florida a year ago. me and my dad were invited because my dad bout one new in 83 from the factory . very cool

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I would have sworn I had read somewhere DeLorean had died

The reason he went to Ireland is because after GM said no there wasn't a bank in the US that would loan him money.

The plant closed due to lack of sales and he couldn't pay his bills. I guess dope was in a slump as well! (LOL)

The car was very heavy due to the stainless steel design and wasn't very quick, even with a good power plant.

p.s.

personally I think deloreans as American cars,
the new ones are being made here in America.
also the delorean style was designed by giogetto giugiaro from ital design.

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ohhh now i remeber isnt the delorean the gmc back to the future car?

yep www.delorean-owners.org try that
love thos cars

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Ok, believe it or not, the Fiero isnt my favorite car...its my second. The DeLorean is my first..(always has been).
However, its a DOG.....slowest thing I think Ive ever driven. Im not kidding..0-60 is in the upper 9 second range. A 4 cylender Fiero would outrun one.
I still love DMC's..and will have one one day. But they are absolutly slow as Christmas. They're made for the looks only.

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My 7 Fieros

He doesn't drive a yellow nissan, as far as I know its a yellow Acura NSX.

DeLoreans are fascinating cars and so is the history behind them. However many owners have said the car's workmanship is sub par. The Ireland gov't was HUNGRY for jobs and gave DeLorean a LARGE sum of money/capital to start up a plant in a bad part of Ireland(Economy was in the dumps there).

We will have to wait and see if he actualy makes this low cost supercar. He has been talking about it for years and he isn't getting any younger.

I got my 'arse' handed to me in a lil picnic basket by a Pantera the other day twas a thing of beauty seeing its tailpipes leave me

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Ray - "With one drop of blood he realized his own mortallity, it was then he saw the true face of God. For he is not someone watching down on us, but he is in us." - Galen 2001

I'm suprised no one has mentioned this before now but one of the main reasons the delorian quit being built is because Mr Delorian was arrested for smuggling I believe it was cocain into the US in the cars. He was doing this (and I have heard it was not a regular thing, but a last ditch effort to keep his company afloat) to keep the banks off his back. I have always been fascinated with those cars. There is even a delapidated one here on the island, Stuck in the back lot of the local ford dealer. I've heard you can swap a northstar into one... That would make a sweet car.

-Marlin

a friend of mine in the car club has a red one for sale ($10,000) performance wise their dogs. Personaly I dont like them. You could beat it with a great running 4 cyl Fiero. If anyones really interested let me know and Ill give you his number.

there was a few at the car show and cruise 2 weeks ago.

There is only one masss produced mid engine car in North America and it's the Fiero.

Not 100% sure , but I believe the only Rear engine US mass produced car was the Corvair.

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what about the tucker ? its engine was mid or rear.

technically, a mid engine car is any car that has the engine located in the "middle" of the car, or between the axles. i believe if you look at the weight distribution of the corvette, it is a "mid engine" car.

i could be wrong, so be gentle

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quote Originally posted by bHooper: technically, a mid engine car is any car that has the engine located in the "middle" of the car, or between the axles. i believe if you look at the weight distribution of the corvette, it is a "mid engine" car.

I think the current definition of were the engine is in comparison to the axles only applies if the engine is behind the driver. If the engine is in front of the driver, then it is front engined. Otherwise half the cars out there would be mid engined (Prowler for one).

Don't forget about the Vectors, I saw a M12 at a show 2 weeks ago. I know they weren't mass produced but they are beautiful.

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Whenever I see a painted DeLorean, the first thought that comes to mind is "Damn... dumba$$ wrecked it and was too cheap to carry enough insurance to fix it like it was supposed to. Or pocketed the insurance check and took the cheap way out."

Now I know that some people buy them that way, so it may not be the current owner that screwed it up, but unless it got hit or wrecked, why in the Hell else would somebody paint a DeLorean?

Breaks my heart to see them in any condition other than stainless steel. (Unless it's one of the three gold American Express Card versions, and even then, they're pretty ugly in gold. They're just worth a helluva lot more because they're rare.)

Just my two cents.

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Patrick W. Heinske -- LZeitgeist@aol.com
1988 Red Fiero Formula
- 1st Place - Stock Coupe - FOCOSEVA 2000
- 3rd Place - Stock Formula - FOCOA Nat'l 2001

Lots of talk here about what North American etc... mid/rear engine etc.... did not see a mention of the Bricklin? A great albiet short lived Canadian creation!

2854 built, car was conceived before the DeLorean, unfortunatley the company went bankrupt

Car was built in 1974 in New Brunswick Canada

351 Ford Windsor V8 174hp

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Well, De Loreans are one of my favorites. Like I said they are a most unique car. I would love to have one. They are priced at this time around 10K to 15K in decent condition. Yes they were featured in Back to the Future and The Wedding Singer. Also De Lorean was the head of the Pontiac division until he wanted to go make his own cars. Here is my question:
"If he would have stayed with GM and not made the De Lorean, would the Pontiac Fiero even existed or what would it be like if they did make it???"
Just a thought. Are cars in the yard might be called De Loreans instead, =). lol

quote Originally posted by mrgone: hmm de lorean was before my time... anyone have a pic? when i first read de lorean i thought El Camino

Think "Back to the Future." The time machine as a DeLorean.

I could just see the rice boy's DMC. A flux capaciter (neon lights) with a type R V-Tech sticker on it.

I think most of the DeLoreans are painted now. If you dent it at all theres no way to repair it, anything would show. The only way to correctly repair it would be replacing the panel and there are no parts in existence any more. So theres no other solution other than paint. The really funny part is all the stainless body never rusts, but the subframe rusted to pieces.

God I heard about another car that "never rusts", but you take the plastic panels and look out. Anybody know much about the last generation Panteras? I'm talk from about '95 or so, when they had the targa top. That targa made them look AWESOME. Although I guess they switched from a 351 to a tuned 5.0 in the last years.

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'86 SE - My car is actually a MacLaren F1 with a Fiero body kit; or not.

saleenfiero: is this kinda what you were thinking of?? They are hot cars.

side note: Hockey legend Tim Horton died in a Pantera he crashed travelling at high speed on Hwy 8 between Grimsby and Beamsville Ontario Canada

I think i'm going to the police academy!

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Roger -

the DeLorean owners organizations have a parts network that makes us Fiero owners look like a bunch of monkeys playing marbles.

I've never - ever - seen a DeLorean (or even parts of one) in a junkyard - neither has anyone I've ever asked.

DeLorean owners *know* that they need to keep track of all the parts floating around for those things, whether they're on a running chassis or not... while we've got tens of thousands of interchangable parts for our cars, they have only what was put on the road. That's it. No more.

I've also seen at least a half dozen or more DeLoreans in the Raleigh area alone over the past couple years, and the only painted one I've seen in person was red, and from out of state (and about three years ago). I've seen quite a few pics of painted ones, but only one of them in person. So I'd imagine there are still plenty of original ones around...

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1988 Red Fiero Formula
- 1st Place - Stock Coupe - FOCOSEVA 2000
- 3rd Place - Stock Formula - FOCOA Nat'l 2001

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Yeah they are georgeous. Although the front end in your pics looks different. Any idea what years those cars are?

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'86 SE - My car is actually a MacLaren F1 with a Fiero body kit; or not.

quote Originally posted by Sleeper: there was a few at the car show and cruise 2 weeks ago.

Isnt that the back to the future car?

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they still have delorean dealer here in Ohio.
they restore old deloreans and sell them new.
the owner of the dealership is deloreans brother. and they still make parts for them you get them from the dealer that has the original die that made them in 81-83.

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quote Originally posted by fieroburton: they still have delorean dealer here in Ohio. they restore old deloreans and sell them new. the owner of the dealership is deloreans brother. and they still make parts for them you get them from the dealer that has the original die that made them in 81-83.

didnt know that. But with the price of stainless steel, those replacement parts have got to cost a fortune.

All De Loreans I have ever seen were the original brushed stainless steel finish, never knew of painted ones we that common. I feel that 8 out of 10 De Loreans are still original.

All DeLoren's came originally with stainless steel bodies except for 3 special "American Express" 24 carat gold plated bodies. One is at the National automobile museum here in Reno.

here is a link to one of the gold delorean its www.bigtexas.com/dmc/
this sight has pictures of the gold one and a link to the most rare,the gold with tan interior 1 of 1 made for sale for $250,000 !

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