OK, there has been quite a bit of conversation about clear taillights for Coupes & GTs. Many people have already just removed the colored Lens and replaced their clear blubs- which is fine for them. But this seem unfinished to me- and looks rather cheap. I acquired a damaged GT taillight for experimentation (Don't worry, I wasn't using my "GOOD" ones)
First off, Separating the inner & outer lens is simple. Just pull them apart (there are some clips on the sides). This is pretty much where everyone stops... they just remove the colored inner lens and replace the clear bulbs with colored ones. The Outer Lens has been removed
The Inner Lens has been removed
The Assembly with no inner lens... OK, but looks naked to me!
I Also plan on changing my "PONTIAC" to appear green by removing the red filter and replacing the white bulbs with green ones- or neon if necessary. I will also add a diffuser lens (see farther down) behind the "PONTIAC" so you don't see just the brigtness of the bulb.
I have decided to mutilate the inner lens to try to make a new style. I have found that the original lens is very similiar in texture to that of an office ceiling tile light-lens (picked up a 2x4 sheet at Home Depot for about $3). -Which I will reference from here on as the "Diffuser Lens" Diffuser Lens pattern from Home Depot.
I then cut out the colored strips in the lens using a Dremel with a Fiberglass Reinforced cutting wheel. If anyone knows a better/cleaner way to cut this plastic... please let me know, 'cause this tends to melt the plastic before it cuts cleanly. you can see in this photo how I have cut the inner lens.
I then cut the diffuser lens into strips to fit the openings. I am planning on repainting the cut parts of the lens black, so that the old Amber & Red don't show through all the time. When they are all cut I'll replace the original bulbs with colored ones still, but you won't be staring straight at reflectors- and you'll still have a semi-stock appearance. The diffuser placed on the cut opening- some heat might be helpful in bending the plastic.
My other thought- after photographing these... is to skip the cutting & gluing part, and to just shape the diffuser to fill the inside of the clear outer lens. This would probably be quicker, cleaner, easier, and look better in the end. I wil also place a piece of the diffuser behind the "PONTIAC" as mentioned above.
This concept could probably be even more easily applied to a coupe to cover the "partial conversion" look... it's just a flat piece cut to shape. BTW... be careful when cutting the diffuser lens- it can be tricky.
So, what do you think?
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Posts: 5542 From: Tarpon Springs, FL USA Registered: Nov 2000
looks good. i like the idea of the office stuff. i wanted to do something similar for my formula but couldnt think of anything to put in there. i wonder how well that stuff will work for coupes.
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: OK, there has been quite a bit of conversation about clear taillights for Coupes & GTs. Many people have already just removed the colored Lens and replaced their clear blubs- which is fine for them. But this seem unfinished to me- and looks rather cheap. I acquired a damaged GT taillight for experimentation (Don't worry, I wasn't using my "GOOD" ones)
First off, Separating the inner & outer lens is simple. Just pull them apart (there are some clips on the sides). This is pretty much where everyone stops... they just remove the colored inner lens and replace the clear bulbs with colored ones. The Outer Lens has been removed
The Inner Lens has been removed
The Assembly with no inner lens... OK, but looks naked to me!
I Also plan on changing my "PONTIAC" to appear green by removing the red filter and replacing the white bulbs with green ones- or neon if necessary. I will also add a diffuser lens (see farther down) behind the "PONTIAC" so you don't see just the brigtness of the bulb.
I have decided to mutilate the inner lens to try to make a new style. I have found that the original lens is very similiar in texture to that of an office ceiling tile light-lens (picked up a 2x4 sheet at Home Depot for about $3). -Which I will reference from here on as the "Diffuser Lens" Diffuser Lens pattern from Home Depot.
I then cut out the colored strips in the lens using a Dremel with a Fiberglass Reinforced cutting wheel. If anyone knows a better/cleaner way to cut this plastic... please let me know, 'cause this tends to melt the plastic before it cuts cleanly. you can see in this photo how I have cut the inner lens.
I then cut the diffuser lens into strips to fit the openings. I am planning on repainting the cut parts of the lens black, so that the old Amber & Red don't show through all the time. When they are all cut I'll replace the original bulbs with colored ones still, but you won't be staring straight at reflectors- and you'll still have a semi-stock appearance. The diffuser placed on the cut opening- some heat might be helpful in bending the plastic.
My other thought- after photographing these... is to skip the cutting & gluing part, and to just shape the diffuser to fill the inside of the clear outer lens. This would probably be quicker, cleaner, easier, and look better in the end. I wil also place a piece of the diffuser behind the "PONTIAC" as mentioned above.
This concept could probably be even more easily applied to a coupe to cover the "partial conversion" look... it's just a flat piece cut to shape. BTW... be careful when cutting the diffuser lens- it can be tricky.
So, what do you think?
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FieroMaster88 Member
Posts: 7680 From: Mattawan, MI Registered: Nov 2000
Lookin good! I have an idea for the coupe's tail lights..just dont have the time at the moment to do anything with them. I agree on the "unfinished" look when people just remove the colored lenses. Just doesnt look right.
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I might have a sample done for FieroRama... I'll try to bring what I have (or what I can fit in the car). The idea about filling in the entire outer lens didn't hit me until last night, so I might work on it tonight (got to see if I can heat & flex the diffuser to fit easily). I'll certainly try!
If anyone has a coupe lens to donate (damaged is OK for prototype stuff), I'll gladly see if I can work one up for it.
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Simple Fiero Member
Posts: 122 From: kelowna, BC Canada Registered: Jun 2001
okay one thing you mentioned is that you had a problem with the dremel melting the plastic, just slow it down man. take your time, man. i had the same problem with making mine. One other thing too about it why even cut out the strips, just cut the piece that you got from Home Depot and that should do it, you wouldn't have to worry about cutting and melting and you could still use clear lights cause the colors would still shine through to the clear, umm you would probably want to use the japanese LED lights though. If you have already mention all this sorry dude!
Simple... the reason I was going to remove the old colored strips, is that they show through the clear diffuser lens if just placed directly over the top- good suggestion though. And yes, I am planning on using japanese-style colored Bulbs or LEDs.
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Joe Torma Member
Posts: 3485 From: Hillsborough, NJ USA Registered: Jul 2001
Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: If anyone knows a better/cleaner way to cut this plastic... please let me know, 'cause this tends to melt the plastic before it cuts cleanly.
Rather than try and cut it all out with a dremel, try making a hole then use a variable speed sabersaw and a fine tooth metal cutting blade.
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artherd Member
Posts: 4159 From: Petaluma, CA. USA Registered: Apr 2001
Well, it's basically a huge dremel, but I use an air wheel cut-off-tool.
It's just like the dremel, but with a 3" abrasive disc and lots of torque from the compressed air, it can cut just about everything (I just used it on my tranny case to fit it to a northstar's starter for example...)
Works better on plastic, but not perfect.
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Spektrum-87GT Member
Posts: 1601 From: Yorktown, VA Registered: Aug 2001
Tonights work was a success I think! I used a single piece of my "diffuser lens" to fill the space- much easier than cut & paste! A little patience when trimming (the stuff shatters if you're not careful) and a little time with a 400degree heat gun (and a pair of leather gloves)- and it looks cool. Of course I don't have a set of lights yet, but I'll post pics in the morning of what it currently looks like. And I'll definitely be bringing the sample to Fierorama for everyone to check out!
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I first cut a pattern using a large piece of paper. I then cut a rectangle the baisc size of the piece- and trimmed the arc (that's the tough part). You can see that the piece is still flat- it will fit into the opening, but not very well.
I then used a 400 degree heat gun and bent bent/flexed the plastic to match the curve of the outer lens and the bend around the corner. Take your time on this- if you go too fast the plastic will break or warp too much (did both to one piece).
Once shaped correctly, dry-fit the pieces together to make sure the assemlbly closes correctly. I plan to use a clear silicon to attach the pieces when complete.
Here is the "final" product. You get the clear-effect (which will look better on a good, clean outer lens). And you can't actually see the reflectors & Bulbs!
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Cheever3000 Member
Posts: 12400 From: The Man from Tallahassee Registered: Aug 2001
btoth- I was originally going to keep those- cause I like them too... but on a short-term easy-to-do project, this was easier. I may still try to do it the other way (cut & paste) just to see how well that turns out. But that will be a ways down the road.
Cheever- you sound so surprised!
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Hey looks pretty neat. Eventhough they're fastback tail lights. My 86 SE has a clear tail light mod. You can't see the bulbs through it either. Just a little bit of color. I kinda like them. But they just took some regular bulbs and painted them (with some high-degree paint I'm guessing). The paint is fading and now they have a red-orange color. I would like to get some real red bulbs but Wal-mart doesn't carry them that I know of.
MinnGreenGT, I like the effect of the diffuser. I seen something similar on a notchback once but the diffuser was just sandwiched between the outer cover and inner molded red panels.
I wonder what it would look like if you'd remove all of the red and amber portion of the reflectors, leaving only the black lines and then put the diffuser behind it? Wait, no, maybe better yet, carefully lay out black striping tape or even mask & paint horizontal lines on the backside of the clear cover. It would break up the reflectors some more and still keep a stock appearance. I think that was the look you were going for and would make it possible without the hassle of cutting the out the red and amber lens. What do you think? Worth a try?
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Squoach- About the bulbs... yeah, the painted ones are OK for a little while. But you really need the ones with colored glass instead. (a few more $$ too).
Tigger- Love your car BTW. Makes me want to restore my old 84 SE! Anyway, I may try the striping to see how convincing it looks- I do really like the stock "lines" in the plastic too.
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kempo Member
Posts: 578 From: Sterling, Virginia, USA Registered: Jul 2001
Looking good. I would like to see what the lines look like on it also, might give it a more finished appearance, and (no flame intended) less ricerish. Or how about incorporating the Firebird Trans Am honeycomb taillight look into it. Way cool.
Originally posted by ChopTop: Looking good. I would like to see what the lines look like on it also, might give it a more finished appearance, and (no flame intended) less ricerish. Or how about incorporating the Firebird Trans Am honeycomb taillight look into it. Way cool.
No flame taken... it's an American Sportscar, not an import racer (not that there's anything wrong with that)! I do like the idea of a honeycomb look- might have to see what I can find to fit behind the lens...any suggestions?
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Im working on some clear lenses for my notchback but I had planned on the simple rout of using the clear between the red and the outter lens.. Cops around here will harass you cause your supposed to have so much reflective material so thats one reason why I plan on keeping the red in it.... But who knows..Maybe I can get away with it ehhe
MinnGreenGT--You want a honeycomb pattern? What about finding the bottom part of an '85 engine/decklid grille? That's got the honeycomb pattern. You could lay that on a piece of poster board and spray the pattern onto that. Then (very carefully) cut out the shapes on the poster board. Before you heat and shape the diffuser lense, lay the poster board on the diffuser lense and spray with black paint. VOILA!! Honeycomb pattern. If I remember (generally my memory is about as short as my...well, you know), I'll bring an '85 bottom panel thing to Fierorama. Also, (if I remember) I'll try to fit a notchback tail light in the car. Not sure if I'll have enough room for that and the tail light won't be in great shape, but it might be something you can work on. Email me and let me know if any of this will help.
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Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: [B]Cheever - you sound so surprised!
Frankly, yes, because I have never liked any clear taillights I've seen. Would like to see those in person someday. I myself won't do it because I'm a stock afficionado (for myself; I don't mind what mods others wish to do).
Originally posted by Cheever3000: Frankly, yes, because I have never liked any clear taillights I've seen. Would like to see those in person someday. I myself won't do it because I'm a stock afficionado (for myself; I don't mind what mods others wish to do). [/B]
Cheever- I know what you mean... my Dad has an immaculate Silver 88GT w/T-Tops and I keep trying to convince him to keep it stock, but I'm pretty sure he's planning on sticking a N* in it! And I do Love stock Fieros... it takes more to keep a stock vehicle with 100+k miles in top condition than to 'glass and paint over the problems. My car was quite a wreck when I first got it... so it just seems like the way to go! Maybe someday I'll get a bone-stock GT and keep it that way.
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Nashco Member
Posts: 4144 From: Portland, OR Registered: Dec 2000
Looks like you've got a great idea on your hands! I'd really love to see what they look like installed/lit up with day/night pics. Is anybody going to try it with the black parts still showing soon? I think I would like it more that way, but would have to see it first. I don't have access to any "spare" buckets to work with, and I'm just not at a point in life when I can afford to put my car out of commission.
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qwikgta Member
Posts: 4669 From: Virginia Beach, VA Registered: Jan 2001
Sorry if this has been said, I am not reading the whole thread, got to get to work, but when you replace your bulbs use the led replacements ones, they are VERY bright and I think would really displace the light through the plastic. Great Idea, Im going to do this to my "unfinished or Cheap" looking coupe.
Rob
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Wolfhound Member
Posts: 5317 From: Opelika , Alabama, USA Registered: Oct 1999
Minngreen, It might be possible to add the black divisions between the defusing lens and the exterior lens. If you have the textured side inward a striping tape may work to simulate the division. Coy
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mrfixit58 Member
Posts: 3330 From: Seffner, Fl, USA Registered: Jul 99
That looks pretty good. I'm not a big fan of clear lenses but I am a big fan of doing something different. I don't think I've seen a GT with clear lenses so you could be the first.
Something else for you to consider: If you move the back-up lights down to the reflector holes (like DXR-DAD) you could use that area as another tail light. Group the light pairs in the middle and the light pairs on the end and you could install sequential turn signals. I always thought that sequentials would look so cool on the GT taillights.
Just an added dimsion,
------------------ Roy :D Just another stock Blue 87 GT
Thanks everyone for your responses... I'm glad to see that not everyone thinks that this is the greatest thing in existance
Nashco- As soon as I can get two sets made, and pick up the blubs, I'll take some day/night photos to show everyone.
qwikgta- The LED replacements were mentioned somewhere before... don't even recall if it was this thread!? Do you know of any good sources? I stopped by a NAPA auto yesterday and they certainly didn't have any. I'm sorry if I offended by calling other's conversions "Unfinished or Cheap"... not my intention to offend- just my opinion
Wolfhound- I just recieved an email from my brother (who works as an R&D developer/designer for Winona Lighting) and he pointed out that the manufacturer of the lens states that having the texture face the light source allows for an increase of light transmission of more than 30%... so that'll be a must.
mrfixit58- I like the idea of the sequential signal lights... I was reading a thread just the other day about someone who makes a kit specifically for that. This is the part manufacturer: http://members.nccw.net/webe/products/products.htm
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I've been digging around for repacement bulbs on the 'net. I've found 1157-styel replacement LEDs for $19ea. available in pretty much any color (search for APC Super Bright LED)... whereas I can get colored-glass bulbs for about $7-$10 ea. I know it'll cost more, but I think it'll be worth it to get the LEDs.
MinnGreenGT - Kick a$$! Let's see those bad Larry's lit up. I've been experimenting with both LED and/or neon versions for the coupes, so I give you props on the difficulty level. (Just for the record, none of my tail lamps are ready, nor will they probably ever be. It's just something I'm screwing around with at this point for my own personal satisfaction ..)
Originally posted by Loki: We sell the APC LED bulbs at pep-Boys for like 7.99 each
$8! These are the acutal LED sets...not just the colored-glass bulbs (which usually sell for $7-$10)?? everywhere else I've checked lists them at $25 retail...
I don't mean to be sceptical, but that's quite a difference. Can you double check part numbers? The top of the light is made up of 12 little LEDs, and it doesn't look at all like a normal 1157 bulb. Does this look/sound right?
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Simple Fiero Member
Posts: 122 From: kelowna, BC Canada Registered: Jun 2001
I think they look friggin cool. and that has given me an idea with the clear transparent stuff you bought, but keeping my round red lenses in the same place. I don't care if it looks ricerish, it looks good to me. umm do they sell that stuff in other colors like maybe a white, or green for my back ups? Again I like I like I like.
Originally posted by Simple Fiero: do they sell that stuff in other colors like maybe a white, or green for my back ups? Again I like I like I like.
PS, I saw your little comment about cheap looking
Simple... thanks. The lens I've only found in the white/clear- but the places listed above with the bulbs, have them in Green, Amber, Red, Blue, Purple, and some more... that might be the way to go. I'll probably get the green ones for my "PONTIAC" in the back!
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Monkeyman Member
Posts: 15829 From: N. Wilkesboro, NC, USA Registered: Nov 1999
MinnGreen--The sequential turn signal link you posted is a PFF member. Lawrence somebody (I hate it when I can't think of someone's name!). He seems like a real brain when it comes to that electronic stuff. Probably a "can't miss" purchase.
(Just for the record, none of my tail lamps are ready, nor will they probably ever be. It's just something I'm screwing around with at this point for my own personal satisfaction ..)
