I went to the body shop today to approve the paint color for my car. I asked for corvette millennium yellow with blue pearl mixed in. They showed me the "spray out card" and YUCK! It was awful. The blue pearl really mucked up the color. Gave it a real "milky" apperance. I finally spoke with the guy at the paint supply shop and he suggested we try a gold pearl as it is closest to yellow. We did and went a little lighter on the pearl coat. It looks great! They are using PPG paints. Lesson learned that when painting with pearls keep the pearl color as close to the base color as possible! Car should be done on Friday. I'll be posting lots of pics. P.S. I inquired about "flip flop" paint at the paint supply shop just out of curiousity. Can you believe that stuff costs $1100 a quart! Maybe next car!
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FieroJoe Member
Posts: 2314 From: Southfield, MI Registered: Nov 2000
Originally posted by mrtgman: I inquired about "flip flop" paint at the paint supply shop just out of curiousity. Can you believe that stuff costs $1100 a quart! Maybe next car!
Yes, I most certainly can belive that it is that expensive. For the amount of coats, bases, and other stuff that is needed for these paint jobs, and the labor involved, to mix a complete quart, and spray it on the car would run in that neighborhood.
Personally, I do not like the harlequin or flip flop paint jobs. Yeah, ok so your car looks different colors from all angles, but the colors are butt ugly! Pinks, light greens, teals, oranges, baby blues: all yucky pastel colors in my opinion.
OK boys and girls, let's remember our elementary art classes. Yellow+blue=green!!!! So, your blue pearl over the yellow base would look strange, especially if they over loaded the pearl. I kind of forgot about that- I had a friend who painted his Olds F-85 Corvette Classic white, it has a slight blue tint to it. Then he put yellow pearl over it. In certain light, it looked snot green. Very nasty choice
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DR650SE Member
Posts: 1793 From: Cleveland, Oh Registered: Oct 2001
I'm painting my car gold with a gold pearl also. I plan on painting the ground effects in what you call flip flop paint. I work right next to a PPG paint dealer. I can tell you that $1100.00 is way to much. I will get a price from him today or tomarrow and post it. I've painted many cars myself and can tell you that the pearl goes on in the 2nd stage of a 3 stage paint job. Base coat, pearl coat and than a clear coat. The pearl is just misted on. I've done blue pearl over gold before and and it looks great if not to much pearl is put on. My paint guy will charge me about $50.00 to add the pearl in the paint process.
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The Fieromaster Member
Posts: 4124 From: Painesville, Ohio USA Registered: Jun 2001
Originally posted by DR650SE: What is flip flop paint?
AKA Chameleon paint... Paint color that changes as the angle you look at the car changes! I Love the purple/blue scheme i dont think its pastely at all as Joe thought!
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Alex4mula Member
Posts: 7405 From: Canton, MI US Registered: Dec 1999
Thats way too much. Dupont Chromalusion, which is the real first flip-flop paint, is about 400-500 a quart, 2000 at the most to do that whole car with base and everything.
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My understanding is that you will need only 1 quart of the flop flop paint due to the fact that you put down a base coat fisrt and only 1 coat of the flip flop paint. My buddy works at a hot rod shop and told me it took about 4 ounces to do his motorcycle.
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fierochild Member
Posts: 346 From: Woodstock, Ga. USA Registered: Mar 2001
green only suits very few cars.... fierochild's car looks amazing. IMO I would stay away from any greens and yellows, but thats just me I'm painting my car pearl red
Originally posted by Alex4mula: Waiting to see that final result. Has been a long time since it went into the shop..
Friday Alex. Thats what they are telling me. I'll just keep my fingers crossed! Guess I better start cleaning out the garage. Anybody need any nice womens clothes? Wait a minute that does'nt sound right.
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Why didn't you jus go through their color swatchs and pick a color already used by a auto manufacturer? There are many yellows with different pearls in it bein used today. Several Mazda colors come to mind. And as being a proffessional auto painter myself i can say it doesn't matter if you put the pearl in the color or the clear. The best reaults actually come with mixing the pearl in with the color. Why you ask? If you mix it in the clear its EXTREMELY difficult to get the pearls to lay evenly. The end result will look blotchy and cloudy.
Have you taken a look at the new Mitsubishi Lancer OZ Rally edition? I don't know if this color is used on other models, but I know this is the color I would use if I went with yellow.
I want the corvette yellow because it has somewhat of an amber tone to it. I choose the pearl myself to give it a unique look! I wanted a finish that no one else has.
Originally posted by JD86GT350: PPG Harlequinn = $774 a Quart House of Kolor Kameleon = $648 a Quart
List price
Thats almost another Fiero!
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rogergarrison Member
Posts: 49601 From: A Western Caribbean Island/ Columbus, Ohio Registered: Apr 99
well where to start. Ive painted flip flop colors 20 years ago, so Chromallusion is not the first.
flip flop is a sort of pearl, color looks one way from one angle and another color from another angle. Thats only 2 colors, whereas Chromallusion shows as different colors from different angles (as many as 4 or 5).
arnt you glad you did a test panel?
I buy pearl colors for around $40 a pint from PPG (ICI). 1 Pint makes a sprayable quart. In HVLP gun, that enough to put 2 coats on a Fiero. Pearl is usually mixed into the first coat of clear over the base color, then topped with several clear coats. ICI pearl is sprayed like a coat of clear, you dont add it, then you clear over it. Also pearl is not painted in same stroke pattern as colors. Its fanned out and more misted on to keep from having a mottled (blotchy/streaked) pattern.
Anyone ever have any questions on custom paints is welcome to email me. Ive been doing all the custom paint from the 60's up including MetalFlake,Vreibble, shading, lace, pearl, candy-apple, transfers, Mica. Murals (I dont do anymore, eyes & hands arent as good as they used to be, lol)
Maybe next car!
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