As promised, here are the "89/90" Fiero pics. NO FOLKS, IT WAS NOT - REPEAT *NOT* AN '89, NOR WAS IT A PROTOTYPE!!!!! Now, in Eric Nelson's defense, I would like to point out that the information provided to him from Petersen's Car Museum was bogus, and I feel sorry for him that he went with faith instead of checking for himself.
I'd also like to give WCF a big "Thank you!" for leaving most of us behind at the museum. We were lost, but had a lovely tour of California before finding our way back to the hotel. Damn - we missed the dinner at Paradise Cove (which we wanted to attend!!) and jeesh - I DID want to spend some money on an exhaust .. oh well, couldn't find your place from the museum. MAYBE I'll phone in an order ... (cough cough) Anyways, thanks for the hospitality! I'll have more pictures (and better editing) when I get home tomorrow night.
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Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
Eric, look on the bright side if you already sent out the check, 3 days later you will have in your hands, the ONLY documentation 55 minutes of the "90 Fiero GT" This is a sad place to put in a plug for the REAL & ONLY documented 1990 Fiero GT, especially since you, chester and his fiero loving wife spent a pretty penny to go out there, have a safe trip back!
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Boomtastic Member
Posts: 2359 From: Athens, Alabama Registered: May 2000
Originally posted by tgowens: Good job Eric.......
So........ what exactly is it?? Kinda sorta looks like an '87GT with an IMSA kit and a chin spoiler........
What engine is that?? (besides the fact that it's a 4-cyl)
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I'm seriously refraining from posting all the pics I took (until I edit them), so please bear with me as I leak them out here. (I never post pics that haven't been scanned/reviewed/edited/color balanced/etc by myself on a good PC. This laptop is NOT that "good PC". )
Here's the VIN. It was an original 4 cylinder can with a DGP (Diversified Glass Products) kit (or so it appeared). The engine - an unverified Super Duty (I couldn't crawl under the car and check the block, but supporting paperwork did say it had an SD motor) had all the right goodies on it, so I have no reason to doubt it's an SD. (More on this later) What I did find interesting was that this car had electronic assisted power steering, and yes - I have pics on that (as best I could lying on the dirty floor and shooting in total darkness).
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07:46 PM
Joe Torma Member
Posts: 3485 From: Hillsborough, NJ USA Registered: Jul 2001
VIN: 1G2AF37R6EP205589 Year/Make/Model: 1984 PONTIAC FIERO SE Body Style: Coupe Engine Type: 2.5L L4 EFI/TBI/FI Manufactured In: UNITED STATES Search Results: 0 records found in our database
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Boomtastic Member
Posts: 2359 From: Athens, Alabama Registered: May 2000
I agree with FieroPerformance. If someone from the Pontiac Museum told me they had a 90 Fiero in their vault, I would tend to trust that they know what they are talking about. If anybody should be in hot water, I think it's the clowns from the museum for not giving the proper info.
As far as people being abandoned at the museum tho, that is just not right. Sorry to hear things didn't work as planned.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
I feel for Eric. I mean, he was trying to do this for the Pennock's community and got burned by listening to the museum staff. That sucks. It's reasonalbe for him to assume a museum would know what it has in it's own vault. I don't think he should be blasted for not checking up on it in advance.
Abandoning people at the museum? Tacky. Very tacky. I'm so glad I didn't go for this. I was almost ready to take off work and buy a plane ticket. Thank god I didn't!
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ig88vsbobafett Member
Posts: 3446 From: Cheyenne Wyoming Registered: Oct 2001
As I posted orginally, I don't blame Eric for the misinformation. Many mistakes were made in the preparation of this event though - this was just one of them. Things could have been smoothed over - they weren't. Instead, we were left on the sidewalk, waving to the Fiero owners escaping the scene .... THAT left us in a pissy mood, and frankly when I total up my receipts for the trip, I'm sure that you would feel the same as I/we (Chester, Elvira & MsBeth) do.
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Boomtastic Member
Posts: 2359 From: Athens, Alabama Registered: May 2000
Originally posted by ig88vsbobafett: Where was the car driven (Was this one of the race fieros)
The tour guide had no information on the car. (He didn't pull the folder in advance) Giving that this car had A/C & an AM/FM cassette radio, plus the RPO code sticker, this sucker came down the assembly line - something GM doesn't normally do. (Why would they? They want a car to race, they build it offline. Rarely do they ever use a production vehicle, which is for all practical purposes what it was.)
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fierobear Member
Posts: 27083 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
Get off WCF's back. He asked the museum people to see the car before the event, and they said "no." He did his best.
Right now, it's Saturday night, we're having one hell of a nice party, they have a margarita machine (like a small slurpee machine) spitting out an endless supply of drinks, we're shooting the bull and having a great time.
Early today, we cruised around L.A. with the sunroof glass off, soaking up the sun (75 degrees)...hell, this weekend has been great.
I feel sorry for the people that came a longer distance, but Eric couldn't give anyone absolute assurance that the car was the prototype.
So, we're just having a great time. Get off his back.
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ig88vsbobafett Member
Posts: 3446 From: Cheyenne Wyoming Registered: Oct 2001
Originally posted by fierobear: Get off WCF's back. He asked the museum people to see the car before the event, and they said "no." He did his best.
Hey moron - read my first post. I defended him by explaining this prior, but obviously you missed something in my post. Shall I explain it to you or just spring for the "Hooked on Phonics" series for you?? While you were all galavanting around southern Cali, you left behind some pissed off people. Maybe you should have had more consideration before you decided to slink out of the parking lot and leave folks behind. Or where you driving the green Fiero? If so, I completely understand why you would feel like you do ....
Next?
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11:27 PM
Sleeper Member
Posts: 726 From: Torrance, Ca Registered: Mar 2000
i don't really know about all this confusion about going to paradise cove cuz it looked to me that everybody was there in the lobby and we waited for a 30 min. down there...but it seems like people didn't get down in time and i'm sorry. i didn't get to the cove either cuz once we got down to P.C.H(hwy 1) it was just bumper to bumper traffic for miles so i was just like fu*k it and went home.
all in all i'm really thankful for the opportunity to go down into the VAULT. i wish we could have seen more of the rooms but all the concentration was on the fiero so we stayed in that room the whole time, hopefully another time. i hear its really hard to get to go down there and mostly stars, rich people and the like are the luckly ones to see all those cars...speaking of stars, most of us saw Jay Leno and Tim Allen.
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Mar 3rd, 2002
jelly2m8 Member
Posts: 6240 From: Nova Scotia, Canada Registered: Jul 2001
Originally posted by Boomtastic: Or where you driving the green Fiero? If so, I completely understand why you would feel like you do ....
Next?
LOL!!!
Gee, I really feel for you guys that travelled all that distance, Bad enough that your ( and our)expectations were snuffed, but then be left basically in the middle of no where with no directions to get back to the motel or what ever, thats pretty lame.
Before anyone starts believing that they need to start calling people morons, (which by the way, speaks volumes about your apparent maturity) I would like to possibly illuminate what seems to have happened without the aid of Hooked on Phonics or belligerant bitterness that has already been exhibited.
At 9:05 AM I called everyone over to announce what our itinerary was going to be for the day. I introduced myself and then turned it over to Chris West to explain what we were going to be doing for the day.
Chris told us the route we would be taking to the museum and told us about how we had reservations for 2 PM at Paradise Cove. At this time Eric came out and handed out the maps. He even asked everyone again if they had the maps. We then saddled up and lit out for the museum. We knew that we were going to be split up both on the way to the museum and at the museum because Chris mentioned that as well. Thats why we gathered everyone together in the first place.
It would seem that you are the only ones that were left behind. We do apologize and honestly didn't mean to leave anyone behind. A bunch of us did run into each other at the museum and agreed to meet at the Shelby Series 1. Even then, some people decided to leave early to get to the restraunt.
Yes, it would have been nice to arrive in one giant group but this is LA, its almost impossible to keep a group our size together at every traffic light. And as for galavanting around Southern California, that would also be an error in connotation. We had been stuck in traffic for an hour on PCH because of a traffic light stuck on red. Some of us made it to the restraunt and some of us headed back to the Shop and spent time while the others headed over to the shop for some good times (which we are having right now thank you very much) and waited for the rest of the group to catch up. Again, for those who may not have been LISTENING earlier today, we called everyone together to talk about the itinerary and give out the maps. So you should have already known about where we were going AND when before we left for the museum.
So there is no real reason to call anyone a moron. There was no reason for any of us to "slink" anywhere because we didn't realize that you had no idea of where we were going.
We do apologize for not realizing that you needed more information and you needed to have things explained in more detail to you. We would have had no problem doing so if it meant that your group would be here with us right now having a good time.
Fierobear may or may not have missed something in your last post. But it would seem that you missed even more in our announcements this morning.
By the way the green Fiero driver is here and having a good time as well even though his first and second gear were gone this morning, they seem to have healed themselves (at least for now) enought for him to get home.
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ig88vsbobafett Member
Posts: 3446 From: Cheyenne Wyoming Registered: Oct 2001
Originally posted by Boomtastic: I'd also like to give WCF a big "Thank you!" for leaving most of us behind at the museum. We were lost.
That's really Cool... Invite someone 3000 miles across the country to see an 84.. OMG and then just LEAVE THEM?? WTF??? Have you NO MANNER'S???? I had thought about going to see the 89-90... I'm glad I did'nt.. You would have got your a$$ kicked right in the museum!!! How FU(KING Rude can you get???
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birdpoo Member
Posts: 251 From: 33N,117W, sunny, no snow or road salt ever Registered: Sep 2001
haha overmelodramatic whiners.. people were given verbal instructions as well as maps for that day's itenerary. come on ,you cant expect wcf to hold everyones freakin hands . i say if you got lost during the tour learn how to read a map or use the damn phone, otherwise tough sh!t and get over it. nobody was forced to attend this event against their will.
btw one would be barking up the wrong tree regarding fiero disappointment. Petersen Automotive Museum did not allow wcf a preview prior to the appointed tour. wcf even provided a motorhome for those who hadn't have had hotel accomodations.(which turned out to be used to its full extent) so.. unless you weren't there to attend the event, shoot da sh!t with the post wcf party- stfu with the negative unbased ignoramus guessing/facts and plz have a nice day.
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Smoooooth GT Member
Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
Originally posted by birdpoo: haha overmelodramatic whiners.. people were given verbal instructions as well as maps for that day's itenerary. come on ,you cant expect wcf to hold everyones freakin hands . i say if you got lost during the tour learn how to read a map or use the damn phone, otherwise tough sh!t and get over it. nobody was forced to attend this event against their will.
Eric and the rest of the RUDE a$$ people could have looked for the out of town people to at least say.. "What did ya'll think?? Did ya'll have fun?? I really want to thank you for coming ACROSS THE COUNTRY to attend my outing." Did they get that?? All they got were taillight's and screeching tire's of ya'll leaving them behind!! No they are not kid's, BUT THEY WERE *GUEST* of WCF!!!!!!!! Drunk Bastard's!!!!
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Logicdragon Member
Posts: 162 From: Chula Vista, CA Registered: Aug 2001
First of all, if you don't know the whole story don't start throwing insults around. Second of all, nobody left anyone. I didn't even get a chance to make it to the shop in the morning, so I caught up with everyone at the museum. Walking around I met some of the people there and everyone said we were meeting at the Shelby Series 1 down by the lobby at 1:15. Once I got down there we waited for probably around 30 min for everyone to show up. I had no idea how to get to Paradise Cove as I had not been at the shop that morning to get the map. So what did I do? I got directions. Keep in mind that this was also my FIRST time ever in L.A. If you didn't make it to lunch that was your own fault.
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Posts: 8882 From: Arecibo, PR Registered: Jun 2000
I have a question. Joe Torma asked isn't the 4th digit supposed to be a "P" 1g2af37r6ep205589 What am I doing wrong the 4th digit for a Fiero is a "P" the 4th digit "A" is a Pontiac "6000"
This car: (1) Was built in USA. (g) By GM. (2) Division Pontiac (a & f) 6000 (3 & 7) Coupe-2 Door Notchback Special (r) L4 EFI 2.5 (6) Check Digit (e) 1984 (p) Pontiac Motor (205589) Plant Sequence Number
Originally posted by birdpoo: [B]haha overmelodramatic whiners.. people were given verbal instructions as well as maps for that day's itenerary. come on ,you cant expect wcf to hold everyones freakin hands . i say if you got lost during the tour learn how to read a map or use the damn phone, otherwise tough sh!t and get over it. nobody was forced to attend this event against their will.
btw one would be barking up the wrong tree regarding fiero disappointment. Petersen Automotive Museum did not allow wcf a preview prior to the appointed tour. wcf even provided a motorhome for those who hadn't have had hotel accomodations.(which turned out to be used to its full extent) so.. unless you weren't there to attend the event, shoot da sh!t with the post wcf party- stfu with the negative unbased ignoramus guessing/facts and plz have a nice day.
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I think your nick explains YOUR attitude. We had shitty maps that even Chris West was going around bitching about, but thats another story right? "otherwise tough sh!t and get over it"? Oh, did you know this was our FIRST and ONLY time in LA? That's right I forgot, you don't give a sh!t, my point exactly. This really reflects on your hospitality. Obviously we got over it. We found our hotel with NO help from you or any one else there. All I have to say is anyone planning to travel to see these folks in the future might want to tattoo a map to their a$$ just in case cause there is no help out here.
Originally posted by Logicdragon: First of all, if you don't know the whole story don't start throwing insults around. Second of all, nobody left anyone. I didn't even get a chance to make it to the shop in the morning, so I caught up with everyone at the museum. Walking around I met some of the people there and everyone said we were meeting at the Shelby Series 1 down by the lobby at 1:15. Once I got down there we waited for probably around 30 min for everyone to show up. I had no idea how to get to Paradise Cove as I had not been at the shop that morning to get the map. So what did I do? I got directions. Keep in mind that this was also my FIRST time ever in L.A. If you didn't make it to lunch that was your own fault.
Oh so what your saying is we should have just gotten directions and met you guys out there? You know, that was the last thing on my mind when I saw EVERYONE bolt and leave us behide. I like the comments made about the meeting place in the museum. Funny how there was four of us and NONE of us were told jack.
Originally posted by Smoooooth GT: Drunk Bastard's!!!!
there was more than the supposed 30 people in town, more like 50, so of course they are going to party. so why do you keep saying that? humor me please...
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Sleeper Member
Posts: 726 From: Torrance, Ca Registered: Mar 2000
Originally posted by Fino: I have a question. Joe Torma asked isn't the 4th digit supposed to be a "P" 1g2af37r6ep205589 What am I doing wrong the 4th digit for a Fiero is a "P" the 4th digit "A" is a Pontiac "6000"
This car: (1) Was built in USA. (g) By GM. (2) Division Pontiac (a & f) 6000 (3 & 7) Coupe-2 Door Notchback Special (r) L4 EFI 2.5 (6) Check Digit (e) 1984 (p) Pontiac Motor (205589) Plant Sequence Number
i don't know dude, there are a couple of posts above by ig88vsbobafett and coryfiero, they say it is a ONE OF A KIND fiero (one built). i don't have carfax or anything like it so i can't check myself.
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mbramble Member
Posts: 852 From: Cantonment, FL Registered: Dec 1999
Originally posted by WKDFIRO: Before anyone starts believing that they need to start calling people morons, (which by the way, speaks volumes about your apparent maturity) I would like to possibly illuminate what seems to have happened without the aid of Hooked on Phonics or belligerant bitterness that has already been exhibited.
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I call 'em as I see 'em, and after the spectacular performance I saw exhibited from everyone yesterday, maybe you're right - "morons" might be too easy of a term.
Eric had a list of names that were attending. Hell - HE made the list himself, and checked off people before the group even left WCF. What happened to that list? (Probably got lost on the 60MPH+ ride down Sunset Blvd.) Why didn't someone use that to keep the group together? It was every person for himself once the cars started rolling towards the museum.
I digress. I now know, first hand, that this group is incapable of putting together an event. Frankly, I'm surprised you can tie your shoes together.
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09:36 AM
Fino Member
Posts: 813 From: St. Johns, MI. USA Registered: Jan 2002
Originally posted by mbramble: According to my Fiero Spotter's Guide, VINs for all 84's were 1G2A......
I am using the Pontiac service manual for my information . Is it possible there is a misprint in the Spotter's guide? I can't find any other information to backup the spotter's guide
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That's really Cool... Invite someone 3000 miles across the country to see an 84.. OMG 
Eric and the rest of the RUDE a$$ people could have looked for the out of town people to at least say.. "What did ya'll think?? Did ya'll have fun?? I really want to thank you for coming ACROSS THE COUNTRY to attend my outing." Did they get that?? All they got were taillight's and screeching tire's of ya'll leaving them behind!! No they are not kid's, BUT THEY WERE *GUEST* of WCF!!!!!!!! 
This car is a Pontiac 6000 
