I've heard a lot about it, never saw it or heard of anyone who has seen it, only an idea of what was under the hood and what it may have looked like. To the best of my knowledge there are no doccuments stating any of this info or even to support there was a prototype made.

someone satify my curiousity! anyone have deffinite info on the mysterious 89 fiero?

quote Originally posted by I fly GT: I've heard a lot about it, never saw it or heard of anyone who has seen it, only an idea of what was under the hood and what it may have looked like. To the best of my knowledge there are no doccuments stating any of this info or even to support there was a prototype made. someone satify my curiousity! anyone have deffinite info on the mysterious 89 fiero?

This weekend, when we thought we were seeing the prototype, we learned that there is no such thing as an 89 Fiero. The prototype is of the proposed Fiero that was to be redesigned for 90, but was cancelled before they put the car into production. Here is the 90 prototype:

Thanks fiero bear!!! thats awesome I love you!!!

any idea whats under the hood?

You mean decklid, right?

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I doubt anyone knows for sure. I have heard everything on here from 3.1/3.4/3.4dohc/3.1/turbo 3.1/ect ect....

any clue where it is located now? if there is more than one?

well...really the decklid is the hood...but so is the front compartment....friends and I debated this for quite some time so we looked up "hood" and "trunk" in the dictionary =0) hehe

My uncle worked for Pontiac during the glory years of the Fiero, and everytime I talk to him, I try to squeeze out more info about the car from him. He said he saw Fieros being tested with bigger V6 engines and even turbos. Man, I would have loved to have seen some of those cars they were testing with.

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89 Fieros did exist but got crushed at easter last year. A friend took these rare photographs when an Australian contingency of Pontiac enthusiasts was allowed into Pontiacs "back yard". They are no more unfortunately. There may still be a red one around but if so Pontiac is keeping quiet about it as Jim Mattison of PHS couldn't even get one for the museum.

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*wipes tear from his eye* man thats hard to watch, beatiful fieros being chrushed. My friends dad actually worked on the fiero and well he wont say for sure but he hinted that they had a 2.9 litre turbo engine in it, and the above post by FIEROBEAR that is a 89 prototype not 90 i believe.

Thanx
randy

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we have pictures!! anyone have solid information about the engine inside of the 1989 or 1990?

I e-mailed pontiac but don't expect a reply worth reading.

Thanks again for the pictures

Here are some better ones. I like this red GTP (which was thought to be the one at the WCF gathering). This one is probably still alive in a warehouse somwheres. GM has a HUGE warehouse with at leat one of every prototype/concept car they EVER made.

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I have a good friend that designed the space frames to our cars Van Semore (not sure for last name spelling) he is in the Widetrackers a local car club and I talk with him every chance I get. From what he has told me there was 89's and 90's both. From what he says the prototypes were very close and the 89's goal was to move to a larger V6. Van has GM's Patten for hydroform frames and such and was going to be using it on the 89 Fiero. This Fiero was able to be built for about estimate of $2000 which was cuting it I think by almost $900. They I guess tested 3.1's, 2.9 turbos, and there were 2 V8 cars that he knows of that were built and scraped in about 2 weeks. (the Turbo car is the one that you most hear about). The turbo car when tested Van assures me beat the vette I don't know. Van did show me the frame design and body panels blue prints and explaned to me that the frame would withhold a lot more power being hydroformed. Just thought I would share what Van passed on to me.

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This is an outrage! Why wern't the bodys of the spectators in the junk yard thrown infront of the crushers to stop this horrid event from happining? I would have given my left % to keep one of those. How could Pontiac be so cruel? Why was this allowed to happen? Damn pc thugs!

If those are truly '89 Fieros in the back lot, (and they sure look like it to me) Why would GM crush them in the year 2001???

Surely they would know the value of them to any collector and museum. I could understand crushing them 10 years ago but now? I'd give my left % as well just to sit in one of them!!

Hm .. looks like if I had an '89 Fiero I'd be well set up in %'s! <heheh>

quote Originally posted by jscott1: If those are truly '89 Fieros in the back lot, (and they sure look like it to me) Why would GM crush them in the year 2001??? Surely they would know the value of them to any collector and museum. I could understand crushing them 10 years ago but now? I'd give my left % as well just to sit in one of them!!

Because Gm ppl are retarded they scrap great cars , they also dont want any of them to get out for several really stupid reasons.

randy

quote Originally posted by jscott1: If those are truly '89 Fieros in the back lot, (and they sure look like it to me) Why would GM crush them in the year 2001???

They had to make room for the 2004 Firebird's and Camaro's that will probably be crushed in 2007. GM's pretty funny about this stuff.

...but seriously folks, I admit it give me a little twinge to see that those three apparent '89's were jammed close enough together to bulge the bumper plastic. <sigh>

Pictures posted by fierobear are the 1989, according to the web pages I have seen. I also found this web page by fierolisa that is very informative and tells of pretty much everything accept what the engine was planned to be.
://www.geocities.com/fierolisa/89.html

This web site claims the engine was going to be a 4.3 liter TPI V6 http://members.tripod.com/jason-rollings/id20.htm

This is some sort of a list that has a 1989 fiero in it...a race? can't read the language. http://www.reg.agri.ee/pages/pv/epkw.htm

Here is the picture of the 1990 fiero prototype

Having looked at those pictures, I'm not that impressed. Those cars look much bigger than ours - like Camaro/Firebird size. In fact when I saw the charcoal gray ones, I though for sure it was a Camaro until noticed the popup headlights.

GM considered building camaro/firebird on space frame (GM80) but cancelled the idea. This may explain why the fiero was going to be longer, theoretically all 3 could then have been built in the same plant.

quote Originally posted by I fly GT: ol lar.. your post is now on my background.. thats awesome

I wondered if anybody had used that after I went to all the trouble of designing it

quote Originally posted by ejayerik: This is an outrage! Why wern't the bodys of the spectators in the junk yard thrown infront of the crushers to stop this horrid event from happining? I would have given my left % to keep one of those. How could Pontiac be so cruel? Why was this allowed to happen? Damn pc thugs!

My thought exactly. I would have went in their, taken the cars hostage with guns, drive away with them, and sort them privately in a garage some where so only true Fiero enthuatists could see. (because real enthusuasist wouldn't let any info out to outsiders).

I mean I would have taken much more pics and got them copied.

Pontiac doesn't care how much they are worth, they are already worth billions with GM, so what 5 million to them?

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I keep waiting for the "Mother Load" picture of the 199? Fiero to surface, I know that someone from GM must have held onto the artwork and small model. It was about to go into full size "Clay" mode when the plug was pulled. It literally "blew away" the styles you see above.

I worked at the GM Tech Center during that period and saw the concepts first hand at the studio. It was the same size as the GT, little lower in height, targa style. The body lines were a combination of Lotus/Lambo/Porsche/IMSA GT, it looked fast standing still.

Pontiac's goal at the time was to be able to change all exterior panels in a two year time frame (without going into the red on the cost of the tools), that's what the Fiero was designed to accomplish. The tooling for the exterior body panels on the Fiero had half the "lead time" and cost (compared to tools required for stamped steel body parts).

This design concept of the Fiero took a back seat at GM, but I feel it will come to light again. Styling is a very big factor in sales, if you can have something out there that looks completely new in two years, it's easier to get better market penetration (especially if you blew it the first time, which GM seems to be making a habit of).

Check out these two threads... only if you're really interested!
this is stuff about the never-publically release 1990 pre-production mockup installation... you won't believe your eyes!

Basic info about the tape: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/014727.html

"teaser" Pics & more info about the tape: https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/014995.html

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Ewww that top one is ugly

quote Originally posted by I fly GT: Pictures posted by fierobear are the 1989, according to the web pages I have seen. I also found this web page by fierolisa that is very informative and tells of pretty much everything accept what the engine was planned to be. ://www.geocities.com/fierolisa/89.html This web site claims the engine was going to be a 4.3 liter TPI V6 http://members.tripod.com/jason-rollings/id20.htm This is some sort of a list that has a 1989 fiero in it...a race? can't read the language. http://www.reg.agri.ee/pages/pv/epkw.htm Here is the picture of the 1990 fiero prototype

The top one looks more like a stretched '84 rather than a '89. Possibly a 4 seater.

quite possibly Jscott...according to the article I read they had a 4-seater prototype and a roadster prototype. and I agree...that top picture makes me want to hurl..that color should be banished from eye sight

quote Originally posted by gtjeff: GM considered building camaro/firebird on space frame (GM80) but cancelled the idea. This may explain why the fiero was going to be longer, theoretically all 3 could then have been built in the same plant.

I watched the Pontiac internal tape of the 90 prototype today. The spaceframe is the same. They show several adaptor plates and something called a "magic" plate or something that was to be attached to the frame to hold up the extended rear.

I agree those colors are bad, now paint it bright red, install an aero nose, and rear spoiler and we might have something.

Add dual air bags, anti-lock brakes and a third forward opening door, (like the Saturn) and you have a 21st Century Fiero, (for the baby boomers).

Anyone heard they were to have a 2.3 quad 4 motor in them? 180 horse 4cyl would be nice

I heard they had retractable wings and could fly. And that the prototype had a prototype turbine mid-mounted engine capable of thrusting the vehicle into the hundreds of mph. Oh yeah, I almost forgot, it had the infamous "super persuit mode" button too.
J/K

quote Originally posted by m0sh_man: Anyone heard they were to have a 2.3 quad 4 motor in them? 180 horse 4cyl would be nice

Yes, it was supposed to be a quad 4. According to Keith Huff (Fiero Doc), it might have been a disaster. He described the problem with that engine, and it's a really bad problem. I had heard those engines blew head gaskets, but the problem is actually with the design of the block. I don't remember the details, but it was a design flaw, not something you can repair by doing the head gasket.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Yes, it was supposed to be a quad 4. According to Keith Huff (Fiero Doc), it might have been a disaster. He described the problem with that engine, and it's a really bad problem. I had heard those engines blew head gaskets, but the problem is actually with the design of the block. I don't remember the details, but it was a design flaw, not something you can repair by doing the head gasket.

I was working for Oldsmobile at that time, and the problem (according to Olds) that the head gaskets were coated on both sides to seal better. The head & block literally tore the gaskets up by their expansion (from heating & cooling). Replacement gaskets were only coated on one side.

We did a LOT of recall work for Olds in 1988/89..

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I'm about 90% sure that the top uglycar wasn't an 89-90 prototype... but the lower two are probably the coupe prototype. I belive the top one was a 1st attempt at a "Fiero 2+2" model... thank God that never happened!

quote Originally posted by Boomtastic: I was working for Oldsmobile at that time, and the problem (according to Olds) that the head gaskets were coated on both sides to seal better. The head & block literally tore the gaskets up by their expansion (from heating & cooling). Replacement gaskets were only coated on one side. We did a LOT of recall work for Olds in 1988/89..

I think what Keith Huff told me was that there was a cooling problem between cylinders. Something about poor routing of the engine block cooling, which would blow a head gasket *and* cause some kind of damage to the block. Sorry I can't remember details, I may have had some of those margarita slurpees before our conversation.

Either way, I guess it's a good thing that, despite the extra power, that Fieros didn't end up with quad 4's.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Either way, I guess it's a good thing that, despite the extra power, that Fieros didn't end up with quad 4's.

Yes, but whats worse is they ended up with defective rod throwing "tech-4's" in the 84 models.

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Either way, I guess it's a good thing that, despite the extra power, that Fieros didn't end up with quad 4's.

I don't think Standard would agree with that statement either