I was wondering which would be the smarter idea moneywise, to buy a 300zx non TT and drop a 3.0L TT into it, or just to spend the $5,000(rough estimate) extra to buy an actual TT car?
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Posts: 5234 From: wichita, Ks Registered: Oct 2001
Umm...what do we know about Nissans? Did you realize that this is a Pontiac Fiero board? Now...if you want to trade in your 300ZX for a Fiero, we can help you out for sure.
Well his topic is still kinda Fiero related. I mean the Fiero and the Nissan 300ZX are basically cousins. To get the specifics someone else should be able to tell you, but the designer of the two cars is the same person.
Welcome to the forum. I would buy the TT as it will be cheaper in the long run. I had a 300 TT covertible and it had an excellent resale value when I sold it about two years ago. They can be bough reasonably these days.
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Posts: 1247 From: Calgary AB, Canada Registered: Jun 2001
I don't think you'll be able to swap a TT motor in for less than $5k.
Now, if you wanted to mod the TT motor up, getting a N/A and a TT morot may pay off (you'll have to pull it anyway.)
Good luck, they're nice, fast cars.
There is a dash kit for the Fiero that uses the 300ZX interior, kinda neat-o.
Best! Ben.
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Originally posted by soup: Well his topic is still kinda Fiero related. I mean the Fiero and the Nissan 300ZX are basically cousins. To get the specifics someone else should be able to tell you, but the designer of the two cars is the same person.
Don't think that all PFF member's don't like 300ZX's, we just aren't as knowledgable as the 300ZX forum's. Many MANY people LOVE the 300ZX here (especially the twin turbo)! The 300ZX custom interior looks great in the Fiero, and so does your aftermarket front bumper!
The 300ZX and Fiero are cousins? Huh, I guess that's why I always kinda liked them I wouldn't be suprised if John Z had quite a bit to do with the Fiero making it past the drawing board. The Delorean has always been my all-time favorite car. The Fiero's a close, uh, 2nd or 3rd, with the '88 Lotus Esprit Turbo(I sat in one once. The thing was practically MADE for me!). But it's REALLY, REALLY close! Hey could you put the 3ooZX TT in a Fiero? or would'nt it work because it's RWD? HEY how about a nice Esprit Twin Turbo V-8? That would only set you back about $30,000!
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Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
All that he ment By "cousins" was that they are closely the same in looks, basically a 300ZX is a larger Fiero, or a Fiero is a smaller 300ZX which ever way you look at it. I'll post some pics to prove that they are almost the exact same when side by side........and I don't even know why some of you are making cutting soup down, since he owns a 86' Fiero Gt with t-tops.
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Posts: 8823 From: Lake Palestine, Texas Registered: Jun 2001
Originally posted by Smoooooth GT: Soup is the Manager at one of my Fiberglass shop's in Canada.... He know I'm playing!!
Hehe.. I wish smooth! Then I could get you to make me a mold of your fascia! Which reminds me though, I have a question for you about smoothing in Pat's scoops. I have wanted to do this with my set but I am not sure about a few things.. anywho, ill PM you about it.
I can't remember the sites, there have been a few, that mentioned the original designer of the fiero GT body and the original designer of the nissan 300ZX body being the same person. There was also a thread on here about 6 months ago where someone mentioned the same thing. No one gave him flack at this time. Before you go off and say flat out we are wrong, how about you do at least a little homework. (not you Smooth, I know you are joking around )
I'll see if I can find the site and get back you you guys
P.S. In case you didn't notice, 300ZX is from the same city as me, and thats why we are both wondering about this, I have the Fiero, he has (or is getting) the ZX and we are both interested in each others cars. We found the ZX forums not to be that helpfull so I told him to ask here because people are usually really nice and informative.
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Posts: 1572 From: Calgary, Alberta, Canada Registered: Nov 2001
I'll use skitime's of a good example of the physical similarities between the two cars. To me if they made a Fiero GT still today it would look just like the ZX... IMO
The relationship between the two cars is more literal than them just resembling each other. They were both penned at the same independent design studio. I forget the name or its home town. The big automakers used it quite a bit because they realized their own car design concepts were stodgy stale and boring. Just take a look at the early 80's Chevette, Cavalier or Sunbird. Yuck.
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Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
Wow, first we get asked Nissan questions on a Fiero forum, then we get blasted for not offering help, then we're called idiots if we don't see the similarity.
Well, how much help would a Fiero owner get on a Nissan board? Why don't you ask people who are experienced on the type of car you're talking about?
Ok, you mention similarities. How many parts to the Fiero and 300ZX share? How much is interchangeable. Why would you expect us to know enough about Nissans to answer your question? I'm sure there are people on here who may have the knowledge you seek, but you've got a much better chance of getting good info, not to mention a larger pool of knowledge to pull from, if you ask that question on a 300ZX board.
It's like asking a Podiatrist if he can operate on your Doberman. Go get a vet to work on your dog.
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Posts: 20871 From: Roswell, Georgia Registered: May 2001
Originally posted by Nissan 300ZX: Now, for anyone who doesn't see anything the same on these two cars, you must be an idiot. 300's are Fiero's will always be my favorite cars.
[sarchasm]They both have pop-up headlights. My God! They were probably built in the same factory! [/sarchasm]
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To bad in 1990 they didn't have pop up lights, do your research before you talk man. I came to this forum because a buddy of mine(soup) had a fiero and he suggested this forum because Pennocks is better than my 300zxclub, for posting and getting replies. And there are a lot of people on here that do like the 300zx, im not alone.
Cheers from a fellow Saskatonian. If you do decide to go for the normally aspirated version, you could always go for an aftermarket Stillen or Jim Wolfe turbo kit. I was looking around town for 300's a couple of years ago and the price difference between the non turbo's and turbo was quite extreme. I found a couple of nice 91's that were around the 12,000 mark, but the cheapest turbo's I could find were around mid twenties. On an aside, In an old sports car illustrated one of the authors stated the non turbo car was a better handling car due to its lighter weight. Regardless, even the non turbo's are fairly quick cars. If I remember correctly, they are around 220 HP which would let you lay the smack down on most of the cars on 8th street.
They are completely different cars, but I can see some similarities. Lets be nice to this guy. Maybe we can convince him to get a Fiero instead.
300ZXes are hot cars. I like em. From what some people have said I think if you are going to do your own TT then you at least need to be able to do pretty much all of it yourself. Or the cost will still end up kicking your ass.
I'm wondering, I would expect a non turbo engine to last longer? Not that I know everything though.
#1 A non turbo is less likely to have been beaten? #2 A non turbo hasn't had to deal with any boost in its life?
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Posts: 133 From: Mississauga, Ontario, Canada Registered: Jan 2002
good god, they're both red! they must be the same car lol seriously, there are not that many similarities... you can say a fiero is related to a supra by that logic, just becuase they are both sports cars (well the fiero is an economy car aparantly, so maybe not)
anyhoo
to answer your question, but the TT, don't bother turbocharging the NA engine 1 - a swap will cost you more than the value difference of the two cars 2 - a properly done turbo kit install will also cost you about the same at the TT
keep in mind, 300s are good cars, but they are not the most reliable cars in the world many 300 owners i personally know have experienced electrical problems, and problems with the fuel injectors on those cars
aparantly the brakes, exhaust, and clutch also tend to wear out kinda fast... but i guess thats like that wtih any sports car
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Posts: 3087 From: Indianapolis , IN Registered: Mar 2001
Originally posted by Nissan 300ZX: To bad in 1990 they didn't have pop up lights, do your research before you talk man. I came to this forum because a buddy of mine(soup) had a fiero and he suggested this forum because Pennocks is better than my 300zxclub, for posting and getting replies. And there are a lot of people on here that do like the 300zx, im not alone.
Drr.. "Do your research before you post"? He never specified what year.. What are those things in the front? They look like popup headlights to me. Can't you at least post in "Off Topic"?
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Posts: 4670 From: Virginia Beach, VA Registered: Jan 2001
I'm the first to say that if you don't have anything to say, don't post, but this is a stretch, the 300Zx has nothing in common with our fieros. Yes they are nice, and they are fast, but come on....visit the 300zx forum please. I have a Vibe GT and I visit the Matrix forum, and get blasted everyday cause the toyota guys hate the pontiac vibe, they don't see that they are the same car, stay in your forum to get your questions answered.
I LOVE the 1990-1996 300zx. I WANT a silver or yellow 300ZX 2+2 TT but damn I don't have the cash. Anyways, I then fell in love with the fiero. and ya know what... It's only today that I've realised how much these two cars look a like. You are right.. damn they look good. I'd love to add one of those to my collection of cars one day.
The only recent Z's I do not like are the 1996 Convertables.. I think that they look weird.. anyways
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Like I said in the first place" DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE YOU TALK" I was talking about a 1990, totally different body style than the 88's. But thanx for pointing that out.
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