Autocross tires and a set of track tires will mean I trailer mine.

Maybe a new motor too...But that up in the air as usual

JM

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: PS1 (pure stock 1) 84-87 4cyl cars PS2 88 4cyls PS3 85-87 6cyl cars 2.8's PS4 88 6cyl car (2.8 Street modified 84 to 88 4cyl , 6cyl 8cyl cars Competition all years , purpose built cars , 88 cradle swaps? Full slicks. Pure stock cars must unmodified , larger rims and tires allowed (perhaps bump you to street modified?) Street modified cars: DOT tires , free engine (no nitrous) no relocated suspension mounts. This is the basic way CORSA (corvair groups) sets it up. Similar ideas too since there are 2 designs , early cars and late. Any ideas? JM

I intend to do 3 separate groups. Group A will be composed of the "legal" track competition cars (ITA, ITB, GT1 and GT2, etc.)with full cages, gutted interiors - - real race cars. To play in this group would require competition licenses (by any sanctioning body) and all the safety equipment that those bodies require. This will be the full wheel to wheel, no holds barred racing. I think a lot of the uninitiated Fiero drivers would enjoy just watching THIS show!!

Group B will be the High Speed Touring. The only requirements here will be that the driver is a legally licensed driver in any state, that he wear a helmet, and the car must pass the usual technical inspection. This will be the largest group, I suspect. This is road racing on a track, but with no passing except on straights,and "gentlemen's rules" apply. Two wheels off mandate a black flag and some coaching, Four wheels off and you are black flagged for the remainder of that session. Passengers are allowed here, BTW.

The third group will be a Solo I or Solo Trials type experience, a hot lap of the track while being timed. Perhaps some extra "features" being thrown in to slow it on straights and make for some cone penalties.

I suspect that a driver may want to enter more than one group, and there will be at least 3 20 minute sessions for each group.

I would like to get a participation trophy for every competitor, and minimal winners trophies - - overall winners in just a few classes and catagories.

JM's classing structure numbered 8 classes, which would dictate either 16 or 24 trophies. I think that quantity is about the right number for the minimum 50 cars (I really would like to see a hundred entries total, counting multiple classing as an entry for each class).

This isn't set in cement yet, but that is where my thnking is taking me.

G

361 days to go. I can't believe how fast the time is flying! This thing is going to be here before you know it. Plan what you want to do to your cars, and budget for the trip, cause you won't want to miss it!

Know any Fiero owners without Internet access? Send me their address. If they join CFOG-International, I'll keep them informed with my Pony Express bulletins which are mailed about every 4 to 6 weeks, in addition to the quarterly newsletter.

quote Originally posted by tgowens: One foot in one and the other foot in the other one?? that oughtta make that Texas caravan worth watching!!

That's the truth... I just hope I don't get stuck behind Cheever...
I still need Texas people that are planning on joining the caravan to contact me at:
TexasFieroTrainToPontiacMichigan@yahoo.com
Steve
Smooth GT

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SmoothFieroGT@Yahoo.com
People from Texas that plan on going to the 20th Anniv. Show in Pontiac, Michigan July 17th-20th 2003 email me to coordinate the Texas Convoy up there at
"TexasFieroTrainToPontiacMichigan@yahoo.com"

I can't wait......I've been wanting to get to Pontiac for a long time. I've been a Pontiac owner my whole life !!! Not just Fieros but all kinds of Pontiacs.....I hope Pontiac Motors does get on this bandwagon and let us out of the automotive basement for a couple of days !!!

FIEROS are PONTIACS !!!

Can't wait to meet everyone from Pennocks as well !

Dale Starcher
VP, CFOG-I www.cfog-i.org

Show motto:

Fieros return to Pontiac...and this time, it's not a recall!

quote Originally posted by fierobear: Show motto: Fieros return to Pontiac...and this time, it's not a recall!

This is the PERFECT MOTTO!!

quote Originally posted by tgowens: Jonathan, we are planning a full day at the Waterford track thursday, July 17th as part of the 20th Anniversary event...... George Ryan who is the Director of the CFOG-International Performance Division will be providing more information as it is available. We will have a registration site online within this next week.....

does it HAVE to be in pontiac. personally i dont feel safe driving around in that town! waterford hill would be kick ass though! it would be a good idea to bring it back to the home city, and not to be soggy, but, pontiac inst the friendlist town. ill be there

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All Fire Dept stations in michigan will be on standby for the event ;-)

Well I dout we will need the fire dept.

quote Originally posted by gtboy: does it HAVE to be in pontiac. personally i dont feel safe driving around in that town! waterford hill would be kick ass though! it would be a good idea to bring it back to the home city, and not to be soggy, but, pontiac inst the friendlist town. ill be there [This message has been edited by gtboy (edited 07-21-2002).]

The only time I've been in Detroit is to change planes. How bad of an area is Pontiac?

quote Originally posted by Cheever3000: 361 days to go. I can't believe how fast the time is flying! This thing is going to be here before you know it. Plan what you want to do to your cars, and budget for the trip, cause you won't want to miss it! [b]Know any Fiero owners without Internet access? Send me their address. If they join CFOG-International, I'll keep them informed with my Pony Express bulletins which are mailed about every 4 to 6 weeks, in addition to the quarterly newsletter.[/B]

Cheev,

I joined CFOG-I last week but when Paypal redirected me to the new members page, it was missing. So I'm not sure if I'm missing info that y'all may need or not. I e-mailed the webmaster a couple days ago but didn't hear back. Thought I'd mention it.

I'm currently trying to convince my wife to drive to Pontiac from Newfoundland. I'm not sure how well it's going.

sigh.

Cheers,
Andrew

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Andrew - 85SE - AKA Fieroless in Newfoundland :(
www.andrewsfiero.ca

358 days, 2 hours, 30 minutes, and 6 seconds left until The Fiero Event to Remember - the 20th Anniversary!

Are we there yet!?!

Andrew, you have a PM..........

quote Originally posted by 85SE: I joined CFOG-I last week but when Paypal redirected me to the new members page, it was missing. So I'm not sure if I'm missing info that y'all may need or not. I e-mailed the webmaster a couple days ago but didn't hear back.

I'm not sure what may have happened, but you are listed on our members' list (http://www.cfog-i.org/Our_Members.html).

I have the new members welcome page saved somewhere, and will email or PM the link to you when I find it.

Feel free to bring anything else to our attention at any time!

(Edited due to the fact that Terry is already taking care of the situation)

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OK, here is an update for you......

The 20th Anniversary event - The Fiero Event to Remember, will be held July 17-20, 2003. the host hotel will be the Mariott at Centerpoint.

The show will be held at that location (no driving to get to the show field after you have your car already detailed!!) as the have an ample area for the show set up. In addition, there is R/V parking and for those who will be trailering their Fieros in there is a space to park the trailers.....

We will have a Saturday night awards banquet with speakers from GM and various clubs (Fiero clubs and POCI as well) during the banquet. You will be required to attend the banquet to hear the speakers and show and event awards will be given at banquet time as well.

The room rate for the Mariott will be $89 + tax per night.

More details will be provided as soon as they are available.

You can also watch the cfog-i.org web site for current up-to-the-minute information.

Pre-registration will begin soon.

We really want to have as many Fieros there as possible (after all, this is in Pontiac's back door!) and remember - this is not an annual event - this is a commerative event! That means that you really don't want to miss this one - it will not be held the following year!

Forgot to add that I am working on some Friday night drags for this event.

This will not be exclusive to the Fiero or this celebration, it will be held at a regular Friday Night test-n-tune. However, I hope to have it available to those that are so inclined.

So far, the plans are that you can road race, Solo, and drag your Fiero during this celebration.. That should provide SOME wear and tear for those that want to drive in and compete in their cars!!

G

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Decisions, decisions, decisions. Which car to bring? Which event to participate in? I'll be there.
I just attended my first hot lap event at Little Talladega Grand Prix Raceway this past sunday, and I must admit I'm hooked. We had four Fieros show up. An 88 3.4, an 86SE 3.4, an 87 turbo 3.4, and my stock 2.8. That's stock engine. The suspension has been maximised for autocross type events. I won't bore you with all the details, but in three seperate 15 minutes sessions I was able to lap the field. George, we gotta have an autocross along with the track stuff. Autocross is where Fieros can really shine. I will most likely bring my 86 which has been maximized for autocross and hot laps. I may have to change my plans and put the 4.9 in the 86GT. George, which trany would work best with the 4.9 on an autocross and/or hot laps, the 4 speed Muncie or the 5 speed Gatrag?
Terry, how about having a section of the show area set aside for race cars?

Chuck

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quote Originally posted by fierochild: Decisions, decisions, decisions. Which car to bring? Which event to participate in? I'll be there. I just attended my first hot lap event at Little Talladega Grand Prix Raceway this past sunday, and I must admit I'm hooked. We had four Fieros show up. An 88 3.4, an 86SE 3.4, an 87 turbo 3.4, and my stock 2.8. That's stock engine. The suspension has been maximised for autocross type events. I won't bore you with all the details, but in three seperate 15 minutes sessions I was able to lap the field. George, we gotta have an autocross along with the track stuff. Autocross is where Fieros can really shine. I will most likely bring my 86 which has been maximized for autocross and hot laps. I may have to change my plans and put the 4.9 in the 86GT. George, which trany would work best with the 4.9 on an autocross and/or hot laps, the 4 speed Muncie or the 5 speed Gatrag? Terry, how about having a section of the show area set aside for race cars? Chuck

Bore me with your suspension mods.. I am interested.

I am going to try to pick up a second set of rims and get a set of competition tires for the event.

Can we have more than one driver per car? My father would like to participate

JM

quote Originally posted by Slammed Fiero: Can we have more than one driver per car? My father would like to participate JM

If they are a member of CFOG-I Performance Division, yes more than one driver is allowed.

I have made that decision because I am trying to set up our own insurance to keep from having to go through a sanctioning club (and thus costing us more). CFOG-I Performance needs to generate as much revenue as we can (translates into memberships) in order to be able to do all that has to be done.

G

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quote Originally posted by fierochild: George, which trany would work best with the 4.9 on an autocross and/or hot laps, the 4 speed Muncie or the 5 speed Gatrag? Chuck

The 5 speed Getrag is geared too high for the 4.9, IMO. Actually, for my competition car (the Challenge car) before I had to abandon the project,I built a 2.86:1 FDR TH125 up. This would have provided the best overall performance, especially top end on track, and maximized the torque of the engine better than any standard trans.

All IMO, of course.

G

For future reference, to obtain any info about the Waterford Hills event contact Terry Owens or Michigan Fieros president Robert Holz.

G

Slamned Fiero,
The suspension mods on my car are nothing drastic. I started with a set of adjustable perch coil overs from Held motor sports. The are 300lb springs on KYB struts. Next I moved the battery up front, replaced all rubber in the rear suspension and cradle with poly, replaced all the front ball joints and added poly bushings, cut a coil and half off the front springs, added adjustable Koni front shocks, and threw away the steering dampner. The cut springs and adjustable coil-overs allowed me to lower the car just a little over two inches. On the street I run 205/40R17s front, and 215/40R17 rears. On the track I run 225/45R15 hoosier R303s all way around. I did the mods one at a time as the budget would allow. The single biggest improvement I noticed was when I rebuilt the front suspension and cut the springs. Before I did that the car had a tendency to nose dive during breaking, and if you were turning the rear wanted to come around. Now she's rock solid with less tendency for the rear to come around. Last Sunday at the track she handled as if on rails.

Chuck

356 days, 1 hours, 30 minutes, and 18 seconds left until The Fiero Event to Remember - the 20th Anniversary!

quote Originally posted by fierochild: Slamned Fiero, The suspension mods on my car are nothing drastic. I started with a set of adjustable perch coil overs from Held motor sports. The are 300lb springs on KYB struts. Next I moved the battery up front, replaced all rubber in the rear suspension and cradle with poly, replaced all the front ball joints and added poly bushings, cut a coil and half off the front springs, added adjustable Koni front shocks, and threw away the steering dampner. The cut springs and adjustable coil-overs allowed me to lower the car just a little over two inches. On the street I run 205/40R17s front, and 215/40R17 rears. On the track I run 225/45R15 hoosier R303s all way around. I did the mods one at a time as the budget would allow. The single biggest improvement I noticed was when I rebuilt the front suspension and cut the springs. Before I did that the car had a tendency to nose dive during breaking, and if you were turning the rear wanted to come around. Now she's rock solid with less tendency for the rear to come around. Last Sunday at the track she handled as if on rails. Chuck

Sounds pretty similar to what I have , I just picked up a set of dropped spindles.

Look forward to meeting all of you on and off the track!

Evil Grin!!

JM

quote Originally posted by fierobear: The only time I've been in Detroit is to change planes. How bad of an area is Pontiac?

take it from me, i live in waterford, right outside of pontiac. some parts are nice, but when you get into where the gm plant is and the train station... its a rough place. someone uhmmm.. might try and steal a fiero because it looks like a 200,000 dollar sports car (not to bash) detroit is probably worse, though " ive got to admit its gettin better, a little better all the time!" lol

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its a bird, its a plane, no its just gtboy :(

quote Originally posted by gtboy: because it looks like a 200,000 dollar sports car (not to bash) detroit is probably worse, though " ive got to admit its gettin better, a little better all the time!" lol

Hey, Terry and Cheever, any chance you guys can arrange police escorts?

"bump"

fierobear, can I send email to the police department? -- I tried but they aren't answering the email I sent them...(I am sure we can arrange an "escort" for you..... )

Hi Mary!!!

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This is gonna be soooooo great I really can't wait.............now where did I put that time machine???

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A coward dies a thousand deaths..................A soldier dies but once.

348 days, 6 hours, 10 minutes, and 46 seconds left until The Fiero Event to Remember - the 20th Anniversary!

quote Originally posted by tgowens: fierobear, can I send email to the police department? -- I tried but they aren't answering the email I sent them...(I am sure we can arrange an "escort" for you..... ) Hi Mary!!! [This message has been edited by tgowens (edited 08-02-2002).]

You can, but make sure that you don't have any outstanding warrants. Then they'll email you that you're under arrest, and that you should turn yourself in. If you don't, they'll email you a jpeg of a cop car, with lights flashing.

Mary is asleep. Shhhhhhh!

quote Originally posted by tgowens: Jonathan, we are planning a full day at the Waterford track thursday, July 17th as part of the 20th Anniversary event...... George Ryan who is the Director of the CFOG-International Performance Division will be providing more information as it is available. We will have a registration site online within this next week.....

Hey Terry Count us in... Kat and I are up for the works... The Springboro was a nice time had by all... Hope things are slowing down for you...The key word DELIGATE... miss you BUD. ANYTHING WE CAN HELP YOU WITH....Lets us know! later Jimbo and Kat