Gary... did you happen to recieve my email about your high-wing? was wondering what your plans were for it...? LMK.

I would just like to reassert myself;

Aluminum wings are the pinnacle of nastiness. There is not a car on this planet who's lines are RUDELY interrupted by an ugly angular chunk of low-grade alumninum.

There is NO car on this planet on which an aluminum spoiler DOES NOT look tacky and out-of-place.

And you can't POSSIBLY tell me you see any functional benefit. Oh, unless of course you managed to secure some wind-tunnel time, and hired a team of aeronautical engineers based out of the local rice/speed shop.

Do yourself and everyone else a favor, and go bare-back.

You could get a disease if you go bareback

Anyway, to whosever site that is where his wife made it, your pic was really small so here it is in bigger form (I changed the brightness/contrast on the picture to make it look better, and I made the file size smaller.. and the dimensions smaller on one [640x480]):

Click for the really big version (1280x960) with fixed levels (200k): http://www.teamcaf.org/stuff/fiero_001.jpg

Click for the really big version (1280x960) with original levels (400k): http://www.teamcaf.org/stuff/fiero_001_original.jpg

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quote Originally posted by Mach10: I would just like to reassert myself; Aluminum wings are the pinnacle of nastiness. There is not a car on this planet who's lines are RUDELY interrupted by an ugly angular chunk of low-grade alumninum. There is NO car on this planet on which an aluminum spoiler DOES NOT look tacky and out-of-place. And you can't POSSIBLY tell me you see any functional benefit. Oh, unless of course you managed to secure some wind-tunnel time, and hired a team of aeronautical engineers based out of the local rice/speed shop. Do yourself and everyone else a favor, and go bare-back.

You know Mach10, opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got one and they all stink.

If everyone followed your advice it be a boring world.

I say do what YOU like.

Rob D.

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quote Originally posted by MinnGreenGT: Gary... did you happen to recieve my email about your high-wing? was wondering what your plans were for it...? LMK.

Rob- I am going to keep it for now just in case I decide to go back. If I sell it you will have first dibs though.

The spoiler is supposed to be here tonight so I will have pic's by this weekend!

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'91 Beretta GT: Gets through the winters.

fieros only

quote Originally posted by chester: If everyone followed your advice it be a boring world.

Possibly, but the cars would look a look nicer!

Do what you like. I can't stand them. Aesthetically speaking, As far as I'm concerned, you might as well slap a 30-ft radar dish in place of the sunroof

Fiero has too nice lines to interrupt with the likes of an aluminum spoiler

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Let's just say that IF I were to do a wing, it would be the exact one chester has, with those stands, in that location. I think he hit on the one 'right' looking setup.

Practically speaking? I'm going to work on airflow under the car long before I do anything with wings (other than pull the stock one). Wonder what could be done with a 355-like 'lip' ?

If you want one, duplicating chester's setup is the Way To Go (IMHO.)

Best!
Ben

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88 Formula, T-top, Metalic Red. (2:13.138 at Sears Point) "Every Man Dies, not every man really Lives"
88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

I guess next day air means "almost" next day air. Recived an email stating a delivery date of 8/22. Gee, I ordered it on Tuesday and paid the extra mula to have it shipped and this is what happens. Can't trust all those companies that sell on ebay. I had planned to work on the car tonight. Actually I still got a bug to work on it so I am gonna go rip the old spoiler off!

Pictures will be taken with stock wing, no wing (never done this!), and new wing. Shall be posted by Saturday.

Thanks boys and girls!

BTW, each person has their own opinion, although I think posting once is enough to state the fact you don't like something.

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'91 Beretta GT: Gets through the winters.

fieros only

quote Originally posted by SLAMMED87GT: I think posting once is enough to state the fact you don't like something.

Say the words I KNOW you are thinking... "Postwhore"

quote Practically speaking? I'm going to work on airflow under the car long before I do anything with wings (other than pull the stock one). Wonder what could be done with a 355-like 'lip' ?

RIGHT ON! I was talking cleaning up the airflow underneath the car in another aero thread and some dork that used to work for NASA jumped all over me.

Have you seen pics of the underbody of the Enzo? There's no reason why that can't be done for the fiero. I don't even think it would cost too much.

Mach10, I've got to disagree(that's a first lol) about needing a tunnel to install a wing. Just model it in Fluent and then optimize. Seriously though, it's not rocket science.

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quote Originally posted by Howard_Sacks: Have you seen pics of the underbody of the Enzo? There's no reason why that can't be done for the fiero. I don't even think it would cost too much.

http://racingarticles.com/article_racing-25.html

Don't listen to all the negativity!!!

People on this forum all have different tastes.

I believe that some of it is because of the age differences. Most of us with "ricers" are in our twenties and younger.

The older generation usually doesn't care for the RICE look. But we all have different goals. My dad is into Muscle Cars. I like them, they go like hell, but I bought a Fiero to go 150mph, AROUND A CORNER!! Ricers look like they're flying even when they're parked.

I bought these huge 19" wheels for the fiero(see post) and I thought that they looked incredible. The first word out of everyones mouth was "DAMN" it looks like a different car. My dad who isn't into rice said "I like the wheels but I don't like the look of those rubberband tires!"

To Each Their Own.

"RICE IS TODAYS DUKES OF HAZZARD, ROCKFORD FILES, KNIGHT RIDER, AND MORE. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT GENERATION."

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quote Originally posted by MOBILE: To Each Their Own. "RICE IS TODAYS DUKES OF HAZZARD, ROCKFORD FILES, KNIGHT RIDER, AND MORE. IT'S JUST A DIFFERENT GENERATION."

This is about it Mobile. I don't let other peoples opinions deter me nontheless, but I do make statements about other peoples cars.

A lot of people that don't like the "rubberband" wheels. Well, they are the ones that probably have a low key 14 or 15" aftermarket wheels that I think looks silly! That's just a matter of a person's taste.

Now, back to the "wing" topic. Tonight is the night! The completion of "rice Fiero" will be done! I will not however have the decklid finished for probably a week. Got to fill the old holes and paint it.

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'91 Beretta GT: Gets through the winters.

fieros only

quote Originally posted by artherd: Let's just say that IF I were to do a wing, it would be the exact one chester has, with those stands, in that location. I think he hit on the one 'right' looking setup. Practically speaking? I'm going to work on airflow under the car long before I do anything with wings (other than pull the stock one). Wonder what could be done with a 355-like 'lip' ? If you want one, duplicating chester's setup is the Way To Go (IMHO.) Best! Ben

Thanks for the kind words Ben!

Rob D.

quote Originally posted by artherd: Let's just say that IF I were to do a wing, it would be the exact one chester has, with those stands, in that location. I think he hit on the one 'right' looking setup. Practically speaking? I'm going to work on airflow under the car long before I do anything with wings (other than pull the stock one). Wonder what could be done with a 355-like 'lip' ? If you want one, duplicating chester's setup is the Way To Go (IMHO.) Best! Ben

I'll second that. Chester's is 'just right' for aluminum. If I were to get one, it would look just like it.

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I have, I've also seen a F355 underbody in person, and I can tell you, it won't be *easy* (the biggest part will be the cooling system, and venting air to the engine itself. Something like Aus's Stage2 scoops and much ducting would be De Requir... and there would be more to do along those lines untill the car was sorted...BUT!)

I do think it's entirely doable, and would be more than a little functional (turn a lifting vehicle into one that makes *ANY* downforce, and watch your lap times fall like a brick.)

No weekend project, but one I'm excited about, and am going to be looking at in detail once I have a good rolling chassis to expiriment on (silver car)

Best!
Ben.

quote Originally posted by Howard_Sacks: RIGHT ON! ... Have you seen pics of the underbody of the Enzo?

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88 Formula, Northstar, Silver, In-Progreess. -Mel Gibson, "Braveheart"

I wonder what McLaren would think of your (Aluminum Spoiler + Fiero = Rice) formula? I think if it is good enough to grace the backside of a $1,000,000+ sportscar, it would be just fine to hold the rice comments for those who try to put a 240 HP V-Tec into the Fiero. No, wait, how much does your stock Fiero V-6 put out?

there are alot of fiero owners who put out more than 240, so keep your simply minded comments to yourself

quote Originally posted by fieroman84: there are alot of fiero owners who put out more than 240, so keep your simply minded comments to yourself

ooookay then.....I don't recall ANY Fiero V6 putting out 240 HP STOCK. Might want to reread the post.

Rob D.

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quote Originally posted by Will-Martin: I wonder what McLaren would think of your (Aluminum Spoiler + Fiero = Rice) formula? I think if it is good enough to grace the backside of a $1,000,000+ sportscar, it would be just fine to hold the rice comments for those who try to put a 240 HP V-Tec into the Fiero. No, wait, how much does your stock Fiero V-6 put out?

If I was writing the check for a million $ I would tell them to leave that steaming turd off the back of my new rocket and replace it with something that is molded into the body and not looking like an afterthought. My guess is a spoiler is probably required if you're going faster than 200 mph - not really an issue for me tho.

I agree with artherd - there are very few cases where a bolt on erector set lookin wing is done right. And IMHO, 99% of those are on purpose built race cars. You know - the things ricers try to simulate.

But then, I don't even like the factory wing on the Feiro that much

quote Originally posted by Mach10: I would just like to reassert myself; Aluminum wings are the pinnacle of nastiness. There is not a car on this planet who's lines are RUDELY interrupted by an ugly angular chunk of low-grade alumninum. There is NO car on this planet on which an aluminum spoiler DOES NOT look tacky and out-of-place. And you can't POSSIBLY tell me you see any functional benefit. Oh, unless of course you managed to secure some wind-tunnel time, and hired a team of aeronautical engineers based out of the local rice/speed shop. Do yourself and everyone else a favor, and go bare-back.

I second that.

Isn't that a picture of the race only Le Mans version of the McLaren F1 (the GT-R, maybe, I can't remember the correct model name)? If I remember correctly, the normal McLaren that was available for public street use had a retractable pop up spoiler that deployed at a certain speed. It wasn't really visible until it did. That's what I'd want on my McLaren.

I didn't mention anything about stock of course not stock....ah im not arguing about it...I would never pay 1000000 bucks for a car, the wing on the f1 has function though because the car goes fast enough to need the downforce.

BUMP

Still waiting for pics Slammed. I think it will look awesome!

You going to be at fierorama in IL in a few weeks??

Josh

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Slammed.... It's your car... Do what you want to do... I just learned that the hard way a few day's ago! Pic's please!
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[This message has been edited by Smoooooth GT (edited 08-24-2002).]

The spoiler is installed! I think it looks pretty good, it sits at just about the same spot as the stock spoiler with the 7" stands. Not higher, not any wider, so I like it. It does sit back a little bit farther on the decklid.

A note on these type of spoilers, being a lot of these are installed on Hondas and cars of similiar type (thin metal trunks), they supply you with pretty small 6mm screws. I had to get longer ones to fit the decklid. I have to finish the decklid yet and clean up underneath it.

I should have the pic's up by Saturday night.

Most of the comments on it have been that it looks sweet. My mom came into the garage when I was installing it and said, "It looks kind of like an antenna." LOL

I don't plan on going to Fierorama, but will be attending a few more local shows this year.

Pic's will be soon!

Oh, I never saw that pic. I lose a lot of images while at work due to our Proxy Server, AKA eGestapo...

That McLaren looks like ass with that spoiler. Even if it DOES work, it wrecks the otherwise beautifully tooled lines.

Sorry, not impressed.

I'm a big fan of automotive art. You might as well use a magic Marker, and scrawl a mustache on the Mona Lisa.

First off, not that it matters, but that's a carbon fiber wing on that McLaren.

quote Originally posted by Leper: First off, not that it matters, but that's a carbon fiber wing on that McLaren.

Boo-urns to me!

Still fugly!

Waiting in anticipation for the pics

quote Originally posted by SLAMMED87GT: I don't plan on going to Fierorama, but will be attending a few more local shows this year.

That's too bad,what local ones are you planning on going to?
Would be nice to see your new wing up close

Tina

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That's too bad,what local ones are you planning on going to?
Would be nice to see your new wing up close

Tina[/B][/QUOTE]

Actually Tina, I might be coming to Minneapolis tonight! I freind of mine (rides a Del Sol) might be heading to Lake Calhoun. The Spotlight CC has some type of show there tonight. I called Tony- lowfierogt and left a message. I was also going to get a hold of some other people.

Wing sounds cool Gary.

Cant wait to see it. You havent seen yello yet with the 17s on it. I dotn think Tina has seen it either?

Wish someone invite us to some of the local shows, We have been going to all the Fiero shows all over the country. even the PA show last week.

<BUMP> Where the pics??

quote Originally posted by Elvira: An inch lower??! We pucker over every bump as it is!! When we drive next to semis it's like "Yep, we could fit under that one!" Hehehe

NO,NO, the wing an inch lower, we are talkn about wings here right?

Well here are the pic's!

I am satisfied how it turned out, although there are some things I have been toying with. One for example is my gas door sticker. I took it of. I really didn't care the chrome on it being there isn't much chrome in many other places on my car.

Also, I like the clear taillight look, but as far as the Fiero tailights, if it was clear all the way across it would look a lot better. I just don't really care for the black center with mine. What I would like to do is come up with away to make it all clear. For now I am going to put the diffusers back in.

No spoiler-

Spoiler holes drilled-

Side shot-

rear side shot-

rear shot-

front shot-

I have to repaint the decklid yet and I am going to paint the scoop as well.

Later

quote Originally posted by Dumba$$: NO,NO, the wing an inch lower, we are talkn about wings here right?

OOPS, Duh! Sorry, just the mention of lower makes me shudder a little!

looks nice man!

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Doesn't look too bad. It actually fits your car quite well

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86 SE V6 - daily driver

Nice choice! Ties in nicely with the rest of the car. I persoanlly don't like high wing stantions but at least you can see under it Between my roll bar and wing I have 0 visibility out the rear view mirror. I'm wiring a color bullet camera and lcd screen for the rear view

Njoy it!

I like to overall "theme" of your car.

Rob D.

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17" Revolutions
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