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Waterford Hills pics and stories by turbotoad
Started on: 07-17-2003 04:19 PM
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Last post by: California Kid on 07-30-2003 10:09 PM
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Report this Post07-21-2003 10:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for NashcoClick Here to visit Nashco's HomePageSend a Private Message to NashcoDirect Link to This Post
I had a great time at Waterford, the most fun I've had in my Fiero yet. I'd like to thank George most of all for helping so much, but to all of the organizers I really appreciate it.

This was only my second time racing with my car, the first was just a month ago at a local SCCA event. I am building a dedicated race car, so I figured it's about time I got my nose out of the books and got some real seat time! My GT's suspension has been gone through pretty thoroughly, and it really showed it at Waterford. I've got some new tires (Kumho MXs) that I got just before the race, and they made a huge difference as well.

I focused on following the instructor car for both sessions working on my approach speeds, braking distances, corner positioning, and just getting a good feel for the car in general. The instructor car I followed (a stock GT) was easy to keep up with so I could focus on the important parts of racing without getting too caught up in things. As a matter of fact, I'm the black GT in this pic:

In shaking the car down I learned (or verified, rather) a few things about the car that I need to work on. First, it had slight understeer once I got the tires nice and warm. This made the car very predictable (the good side of understeer), and judging from the tires it was due to not enough negative camber on the fronts. I'm already running more aggressive than I'd like to be for all the highway driving I do, so this will likely get worse in the future with a stock alignment (to preserve the tires), but it was good to know in the event that I ever get a wild hair and make a quick-adjust setup. I considered throwing my tool bag up front for the third session, as it weighs about 70 pounds and would help the understeer. We weren't supposed to have any "loose" items, so I probably wouldn't have done it even given the third session.

I also learned that the carbotech pads that I got from George Ryan work great even under high heat! I purposely rode the brakes a little longer than I should have (pre-heat the brakes before I really needed to get on it) to see how they responded to the heat, and they didn't degrade with heat at all. I didn't get a chance to run all out on the track to see repeated HARD stop performance, unfortunately. I thought we were going to get three sessions on the track and was waiting for the final session to really abuse the car and test my limits, but unfortunately we were cut short on time. The sessions didn't go as quickly as we estimated and we had to stop in the middle for a drivers meeting (all in the name of safety, I suppose)...so we lost out on driving time.

Lastly, I learned that two things I badly wish to do with my car in the future is install an auxiliary fan switch and possibly electric coolant pump when I do my engine swap. I used to use my A/C switch as the fan switch because my AC wasn't functional (no R134A so I removed the belt). I got it fixed before the trip up but started having a problem with the compressor about 300 miles into the trip, so I couldn't use the A/C to keep myself or the car cool. I would like to have a electric coolant pump because even with a couple of minutes of cool down driving, there is a lot of heat soak when turning the car off after driving that hard. My coolant temp gets to about the 240ish range if I just turn the engine off and let it sit; I've never let it get past that because it just bugs me. I ran the fan for a few minutes to get the radiator cool, then start the car up to get some cooler water into the engine, which at least gave me piece of mind if nothing else.

Ok, that's my dissertation on Waterford. All in all I would have loved more track time (who wouldn't?) and I'm now officially hooked. I was extremely happy that no person or car got hurt beyond a few egos and a little scuffed up paint and things went fairly smooth. My car now has 190k miles on it after making it up to Michigan, road racing, drag racing, high speed pothole-autocrossing, and driving back down to Alabama. I was also very relieved to have made it back without any hitches, makes all of that time spent replacing parts over the last couple years actually mean something!

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Report this Post07-22-2003 10:41 AM Click Here to See the Profile for 1320n12Click Here to visit 1320n12's HomePageSend a Private Message to 1320n12Direct Link to This Post
Im going to assume this was directed at me.
My car is running fine had no more problems with it,must have just been flooded.

 
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Report this Post07-22-2003 03:10 PM Click Here to See the Profile for blakeinspaceSend a Private Message to blakeinspaceDirect Link to This Post
My experience gained at Waterford was quickly put to the test as Rare87GT and I tried to keep up with a lost MinnGreenGT back to the hotel.

Can't say which was more fun.... chasing Rob around the track or chasing Rob around the freeways Amir and I would still be roaming around Pontiac if it wasn't for him. Thanks Rob! Here's a (+) for NOT MENTIONING anything else you might know about that drive back to the hotel

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Report this Post07-24-2003 10:24 PM Click Here to See the Profile for sqoachSend a Private Message to sqoachDirect Link to This Post
I had a great time at the track! I'm glad I spent the money, as it was worth it. Most fun I've had in a long time

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Report this Post07-24-2003 10:58 PM Click Here to See the Profile for R RunnerSend a Private Message to R RunnerDirect Link to This Post
Although I did not get to run, I still had a great time! I did get a chance to ride in the pace car several times. That was a blast too. I loved watching the competition cars warming up the tires from the front.
I would be lying to say that I wasn't dissappointed that my car was not running. Broke my heart. But I still had fun meeting everyone and being part of the event!

Next time.... She'll be running!

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Report this Post07-24-2003 11:06 PM Click Here to See the Profile for California KidSend a Private Message to California KidDirect Link to This Post
Paul, you have an awesome project race car!!! I admired your attention to the construction detail on it. I can only imagine how you felt when you couldn't get it running for the track. You should be very proud of your accomplishment, which is a huge task by any standard.
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Report this Post07-24-2003 11:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierobearSend a Private Message to fierobearDirect Link to This Post
 
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Hey...bottom line is that I messed up big time, my first time on a road course, and a very tight course at that. The Corvette boys warned me about how tricky this course is to run a powerfull car, but sometimes you just have to learn first hand! I had a lot of fun as well as the others who participated, it certainly was worth the expense, and I learned what my car likes in tight situations, which again reinforced my confidence in the handling abilities of my car. Cars don't drive themselves, it takes a talented person behind the wheel of it who has made mistakes, and has learned from them to pull the best out of it.

The Rookie!

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I was in the lead car, and Nashco was behind me. I had a front row seat for the show, and it was some scary stuff.

The important thing is, you learned from the experience. That's why we were all there. I'll bet you're a much better driver today. I feel like I am. Those driver's schools are great, huh?

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Report this Post07-24-2003 11:21 PM Click Here to See the Profile for R RunnerSend a Private Message to R RunnerDirect Link to This Post
Thank you California Kid!

Sorry I didn't get a chance to meet you. However, I did sneak a peek at your car. Dude, you are running a Lingenfelter! Very cool. Your car was very clean and professional plus the exhaust now down the front stretch.... well you get the point

I was glad to see you being agressive on the track. That's the only way to know for sure that you are pushing to the limit.

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Report this Post07-24-2003 11:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for California KidSend a Private Message to California KidDirect Link to This Post
"fierobear"; It was my last intention to 'rattle' your cage!!! I knew the moment I had passed you, that I had committed the ultimate sin! Focusing on the passing cones and cars ran me out of track faster than you an imagine at the speed I was traveling. I came away from that event having a higher appreciation for drivers who compete in these events, it's very much like a game of chess where in addition to mental skills, you also have to be very physically fit to last through an entire race (which we didn't even come close to).

I knew quite a few of the good racing basics before going to Waterford, but it's one thing to know them, and another to apply them on the track with everything going on around you. It is a true 'art form' that I have a much greater appreciation for these days.

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Report this Post07-24-2003 11:38 PM Click Here to See the Profile for California KidSend a Private Message to California KidDirect Link to This Post

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Paul, thanks for the kind works! The car was successfully raced for 3 years in Southern California by a 'x' pro race car driver (Porsche Factory Team) prior to me buying it, and bringing it back to Michigan. Most of what I have done to the car was to bring it up to show standards, that was the first time I'd ever put it on a road course, and wanted to see what it would do. Now only if my skills matched the capabilities of this car!!! When I returned to the track, after getting the tires taken care of, to make the last session on the track, I had a lot of fun with it. I found quite a bit out about what the car likes in the twisties, and was amazed by it's holding ability if the turn was setup properly. It sure is something you don't learn overnight and each turn is just a little different.

I do regret not taking the time to shoe-horn in a conversation with you during the event. You were pretty busy though, so I just stood back and admired your work!!!

Tom

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Report this Post07-30-2003 10:09 PM Click Here to See the Profile for California KidSend a Private Message to California KidDirect Link to This Post
Ryan "Xantavar" thanks for sending me the photos, very much appreciated!!!
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