I remember reading about a 9 second Superduty Fiero somewhere, anybody have any info on it? I recall reading about it in Hotrod or possibly CarCraft.

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Could be the tube frame IMSA fiero. I will have to do some checking on this too. I have some old magazines I can dig out.

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You mean an article from the mid/late '80s?

If so I have that Hot Rod somewhere, but I don't remember it mentioning a 9 sec Fiero.

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The Raven :Under Construction
"James" 1985 GMC Jimmy, 3.2L turbocharged intercooled hybrid

"Speed Costs, How fast do you want to go?"

quote Originally posted by The_Raven: You mean an article from the mid/late '80s? If so I have that Hot Rod somewhere, but I don't remember it mentioning a 9 sec Fiero.

Yes I remember it saying it was a 9 second drag car but with the motor in the rear and it wasnt stock frame but it really impressed me being that it was a 4 cylinder. Im not sure what it had for a trans and not sure if it was transverse or not but I am assuming it wasnt

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I think he means the Rod Shops Pro-Stock Fiero. It had a front mounted SD4 on a tube chassis. I rolled down the 1/4 mile in like 9.3-9.5 seconds. There is an article in the Pontiac Performance Plus magazine (published thru Hot Rod Magazine) on how the engine was built. The car was on the cover. The magazine is all the SD4 information and build specs. It includes all parts with part numbers to build the SD4's.

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quote Originally posted by Oreif: The magazine is all the SD4 information and build specs. It includes all parts with part numbers to build the SD4's.

PRICELESS!!

Would this be the one with the cover of the Black and Yellow one...

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quote Originally posted by Smoooooth GT: PRICELESS!! Would this be the one with the cover of the Black and Yellow one...

Yeah that's the one I was thinking of, Yellow Fiero, black slash type graphics, and about 12 small square headlights accross the front.

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The Raven :Under Construction
"James" 1985 GMC Jimmy, 3.2L turbocharged intercooled hybrid

"Speed Costs, How fast do you want to go?"

"Oreif" is correct.

There are also a couple Fiero's running in the 8's with front mounted V8's (carbed), they aren't streetable, but they certainly are quick!!!! Have also seen photos of 2 heavy duty Supercharged Front Engine Fieros, not times included with photos.

quote Originally posted by Oreif: I think he means the Rod Shops Pro-Stock Fiero. It had a front mounted SD4 on a tube chassis. I rolled down the 1/4 mile in like 9.3-9.5 seconds. There is an article in the Pontiac Performance Plus magazine (published thru Hot Rod Magazine) on how the engine was built. The car was on the cover. The magazine is all the SD4 information and build specs. It includes all parts with part numbers to build the SD4's.

Oreif,
I think I know what car you are talking about but I distinctly remember that this was a rear engine SD that was used as a drag car, not autocross or roadracing.I am not sure what trans it was running. I may very well have mixed it up as far as 1/4 mile times with the tube front engine one you are talking about though.

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quote Originally posted by Erik: [QUOTE]Originally posted by The_Raven: Yeah that's the one I was thinking of, Yellow Fiero, black slash type graphics, and about 12 small square headlights accross the front.

I bought that mag new back in 87 and in 93 let my cousin borrow it. I have never gotten it back although I remember it talking about the SD bumblebee Fiero and didnt it also talk about the Zumwalt that had adual tunnelram 400 SBC that what quoted as saying "It will pull a Porsche real good at about 180mph?"

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Yep that's the one, but the "pull a Porsche" part was IIRC in refernce to the Bumblebee, with the DOHC 2.5 Iron duke.

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The Raven :Under Construction
"James" 1985 GMC Jimmy, 3.2L turbocharged intercooled hybrid

"Speed Costs, How fast do you want to go?"

quote Originally posted by The_Raven: Yep that's the one, but the "pull a Porsche" part was IIRC in refernce to the Bumblebee, with the DOHC 2.5 Iron duke.

The 272 HP SD? If so then ......IWANT ONE!!!

Oct '87 273 HP @ 7,000 rpm 16 Valve Super Duty.

No way would this car get close to 9's. Don't recall the times they got out of the car, but it would be lucky to run 12's unless it had been stripped of everything not necessary for quarter mile racing.

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quote Originally posted by California Kid: Oct '87 273 HP @ 7,000 rpm 16 Valve Super Duty. No way would this car get close to 9's. Don't recall the times they got out of the car, but it would be lucky to run 12's unless it had been stripped of everything not necessary for quarter mile racing. [This message has been edited by California Kid (edited 08-31-2003).]

Theres my mag!! I wish I hadnt let my cousin borrow it. I know they were quoting times in the 12s or 13s with that car, plus it had special experimental 17 inch wheels that hadnt been available to the public yet. It just seems to me that when they quote saying that it would pull a porsche real good at about 180, they were talking about the zumwalt car with the 400sbc with the dual tunnelram setup that had Pontiac heads on it. I didnt really believe they had it up to 180 at least on the street but I wouldnt doubt it could go that fast if high rpm enough and right gearing. I think it was running a 125c which blew me away, I thought for sure that trans wont last long

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Believe this may be the 9 Second Drag Car:

Ad on Zumalt Conversion you were referring to, Archie had some real horror stories on this one:

Would it even be possible to fit a big block on the cradle with an archie kit? I know zumwalt did it, but I dunno if archie's kit could do it. I know you have to have different mounts but the plate would be the same. If I remeber right, I think I made a thread about this in technical a while back.

I just found my issue, all tattered and torn, but the info is still there.

The "Bumble bee" ran 13.37 @ 102.11
0-60 5.39 seconds.

HP 273 @ 7000
torque 240 @ 5500

Oh and it's a 3.0L 4.00" x 3.625

It uses the Muncie/Getrag, with a 3.65 final.

It was the Zumult SBC tunnel ram Fiero that was quoted as "It pulls a Porsche real good at 170"

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"James" 1985 GMC Jimmy, 3.2L turbocharged intercooled hybrid

"Speed Costs, How fast do you want to go?"

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Kid...

Your right. I have some literature on this car too, but it is not scanned in. I was told that this car is still running and that the owner of "Mr. Gasket" owns it. There is also an "Accell" (sp?) car that is of the same design. I don't know what happened to it.

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- Modified IMSA Tube chassis racecar (in progress)

I'm surprised no one has posted a pic of the "bumblebee Formula" from the 20th show yet...so I'll do it..

Pic courtesy of www.boomtastic.com

There's another thread on this car currently, discussing what was in it for an engine at the show. I thought I heard that it now had a V6 in it...can anyone confirm or deny that?

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quote Originally posted by litespd: I'm surprised no one has posted a pic of the "bumblebee Formula" from the 20th show yet...so I'll do it.. Pic courtesy of www.boomtastic.com There's another thread on this car currently, discussing what was in it for an engine at the show. I thought I heard that it now had a V6 in it...can anyone confirm or deny that? [This message has been edited by litespd (edited 08-31-2003).]

So you're saying that the car is still around? Nice that is one car that I have always thought was a great assembly of looking at the not so tried and true way of making a performance car.

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The Raven :Under Construction
"James" 1985 GMC Jimmy, 3.2L turbocharged intercooled hybrid

"Speed Costs, How fast do you want to go?"

Yes, the car did have the 2.8L in it to move under its own power.

I dig deep into my fiero enthusiast collection, flip open the binder with magazine stuff, and I found it. Sorry guys, I don't have a scanner

Here is the fiero that they are talkin about, not the black/yellow. Its listed in this mag in the 10s.

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--1986 SE V6, Wild Custom Notchback
--1984 SE Modified Notchback

Anyone know where I could get some of those exhaust covers for the bumper?

Also were there two of these cars? Cause the one on the mag looks different from the one that was at the 20th.

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quote Originally posted by R Runner: There is also an "Accell" (sp?) car that is of the same design. I don't know what happened to it.

Accel still uses it. Its even on the cover or thier new parts catalog up at a pep-boys near me

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quote Originally posted by 2Fast_Fiero: Also were there two of these cars? Cause the one on the mag looks different from the one that was at the 20th.

Other than the striping being a bit different on the door, and the disappearance of the supertrapps and the corresponding exhaust cover, what is different? Not trying to be a wise guy...I'm just curious as to what you see that's different.

(Edit..I just looked at the pics on Boomtastic's website...and the striping on the driver's door on the magazine cover and on the car at the 20th is the same...the striping on the passenger side door is different than the driver's side, and that's the side I had the pic of.)

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The exhaust! One car has an exchaust wraped around the rear bumper in the middle, one has a stock like exhaust.....

I mainly want to know where I might be able to find those exhaust bumper cover things that are located under the reflectors.

I believe Xantavar said that it now has a 2.8 in it. That would be why the exhaust is different in the 20th pics.

I don't think it would be too terribly hard to make custom covers.

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quote Originally posted by FastIndyFiero: I don't think it would be too terribly hard to make custom covers.

That would be awsome if one of us could...When I have my car repainted, I'll talk with my body man about doing that.

quote Originally posted by litespd: (Edit..I just looked at the pics on Boomtastic's website...and the striping on the driver's door on the magazine cover and on the car at the 20th is the same...the striping on the passenger side door is different than the driver's side, and that's the side I had the pic of.)

The stripe colors flip-flop for each side. What is yellow on one side is black on the other (basically), including the first useage of the term "Formula" on a Fiero!

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Guys,

I don't think thoses are covers. They look like 4 Supertraps. (which would make sense)

Paul

quote Originally posted by R Runner: They look like 4 Supertraps. (which would make sense) Paul

I believe they are talking about the filler panels that cover the 'stock' exhaust provisions in the bumper, not the actual exhaust tips (which yes, are supertrapps or similar)

Yes, Thanks Devotshka. I am sorry for not being more detailed at what I was talking about. My friends Dakota Mini Truck has a Rear Valance instead of a bumper, with his exhaust pipes going through it....I think they call it the Cuda Exhaust. Thats why I want covers for my exhaust or somethin....Make it more sleek.

there was an earlier post of this whit good information https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/033236.html
just letting you guys know

A guy named Larry Morgan drove a Rod Shop prepared SD4 Fiero in the 80's, I believe super comp. Car ran in the 9's. Larry went on to pro stock and I haven't heard about him for a while.
There was also a guy named Buddy Ingersol who drove a twin turbo 3.8 V6 Pro Stock Buick (smaller car, can't remember the model)
I saw him race Ricky Smith in 88? at Kansas City International Raceway. Ricky was running one of the IHRA "mountain" motors, 700CU. Ricky beat him 7.32 to 7.34...Paul

There is a guy here in Vegas (or close to) that has one of those original tube racers. He put a 350SBC V8 in it. it revs to 7000 and has 500HP. But he just runs it in the autocross here(beats everyone bad) but has never run it in the 1/4 mile. But after seeing that car it HAS TO be light weight. I,m sure it could do a 9.....oh yeah buy running that through the 1/4 mile calculators it should run low 9s or even 8s!.......But sadly he only does autocross

quote Originally posted by Paul Prince: A guy named Larry Morgan drove a Rod Shop prepared SD4 Fiero in the 80's, I believe super comp. Car ran in the 9's. Larry went on to pro stock and I haven't heard about him for a while. There was also a guy named Buddy Ingersol who drove a twin turbo 3.8 V6 Pro Stock Buick (smaller car, can't remember the model) I saw him race Ricky Smith in 88? at Kansas City International Raceway. Ricky was running one of the IHRA "mountain" motors, 700CU. Ricky beat him 7.32 to 7.34...Paul

Funny you should mention Buddy Ingersol, he is actually featured in the same issue of Hot Rod as mentioned above, I was reading it again the other night, that car is sweet and Buddy makes some good points in that article about his car being the closest thing to show room (of the time) than any other Pro-Stock car in the feild.
In the article they call it a Regal, but it is actually a Skyhawk Hatch back body.

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The Raven :Under Construction
"James" 1985 GMC Jimmy, 3.2L turbocharged intercooled hybrid

"Speed Costs, How fast do you want to go?"

Here's a link to a 10 second car...
http://www.v8archie.com/pat.htm

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quote Originally posted by The_Raven: Funny you should mention Buddy Ingersol, he is actually featured in the same issue of Hot Rod as mentioned above, I was reading it again the other night, that car is sweet and Buddy makes some good points in that article about his car being the closest thing to show room (of the time) than any other Pro-Stock car in the feild. In the article they call it a Regal, but it is actually a Skyhawk Hatch back body.

Yea, Buddy tried NHRA and they wouldn't even talk to him, then he tried IHRA and ran for a while but was banned. Then AHRA finally let him run against the 700 cubers, but when he jacked up the boost and started winning, they banned him also.
I saw the car in the pits and the front was one MASSIVE intercooler that he would cool between runs with dry ice.
BTW this run with Ricky Smith was on a 98 degree day.........Paul

quote Originally posted by tesmith66: Here's a link to a 10 second car... http://www.v8archie.com/pat.htm

I dont understand then what all the hub-bub is about to see who is going to be the first Fiero into the 10's, We have a V-8 transverse Fiero posted there thats been there and back with there claim to fame quite awhile ago already?

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