The car was completely disassembled and put back together, bolt by bolt, with all new GM parts. The car was completed in the fall of 2000 with impeccable attention to detail and quality. 350 V8 rebuilt in 2000, Olds Toranodo transaxle, Custom fitted 4 core radiator, lowering springs, new rotors, calipers & pads, 17” wheels, Z rated tires, Heat, A/C, power windows, CD, Custom interior, PISA ZR1 Body Kit. Miles are approximate from rebuild. This vehicle is exempt from milage reporting.
My question is would the tranversely mounted V8 be using a Tornado transmission?
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Because it was probablly originally fitted to a 5.0 Olds 307 V8 4 barrel from a early to mid 80's FWD Toro. (at least that's my guess) It's probablly an older Olds 350 mated with the trans.
Olds 260, 307, 350, 403, 455 = share many parts & fitments.
Unless they are talking about late 80's / early 90's Toro, which would make it a 3800 Series 1.
What would make it nice is if it was a late 60's early 70's true gold rocket 350. My 85 442 came with a 307 Olds. Great engine, just no balls. I installed a 70 Rocket 350. You want to talk about a nice install? Sheez... Everything bolts up to that 70 350 just like the 85 307. A/C, fuel, acces, linkages, and so on. Looked factory and worked factory. Made a nice slow car, a nice fast car, with no hacking.
Which brings something else to mind... an early 70's Riv or Toro 455 FWD setup would be neat to see in a Fiero. The torque would be sick.
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"...the car is beautifully balanced and almost refuses to do anything but go where you point it. In it's tenacious stick and ability to go very fast over a mountain road with a minimum of driver effort, the Fiero GT feels more like a smaller, tighter Corvette than a direct competitor to any of the import 2-seaters. It feels solid, strong, fast and it's a little bigger than it looks. It looks racy and exotic, sticks to the road like glue, sounds good and gets you from one side of the mountains to the other quicker than all but a few cars on Earth." --- Road & Track on the 1987 Fiero GT ]
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skitime Member
Posts: 5765 From: Akron, PA, USA Registered: Aug 2000
Because it was probablly originally fitted to a 5.0 Olds 307 V8 4 barrel from a mid 80's FWD Toro. (at least that's my guess) It's probablly an Olds 350 mated with the Toro trans.
Olds 260, 307, 350, 403, 455 = share many parts & fitments.
What would make it nice is if it was a late 60's early 70's true gold rocket 350. My 85 442 came with a 307 Olds. Great engine, just no balls. I installed a 70 Rocket 350. You want to talk about a clean install? Sheez... Everything bolts up to that 70 350 just like the 85 307. A/C, fuel, acces, linkages, and so on. Looked factory and worked factory. Made a nice slow car, a nice fast car, with no hacking.
Which brings something else to mind... an early 70's Riv or Toro 455 FWD setup would be neat to see in a Fiero. The torque would be sick.
OK now you are talking way beyond my knowledge of Olds setups. Are you saying that there was a front wheel drive transverse V8 Olds?
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Rare87GT Member
Posts: 5086 From: Wichita, KS USA Registered: Oct 2001
Well that was fast... hehe, so fast I didn't even have time to edit before the quote.
Now I'm confused!
Was there a FWD V8 Olds??? Is that what your asking?
Hows an early 70's FWD Toronado with a 455 belting out mucho torque with factory optional drivers side air bag grab ya?
Seriously though... the early/mid 80's FWD Toro with the famous 5.0 307 Olds was the first thing that came to my mind when I saw that car.
PS: die hard Olds owner for many years... but was never into the FWD Toros.
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"...the car is beautifully balanced and almost refuses to do anything but go where you point it. In it's tenacious stick and ability to go very fast over a mountain road with a minimum of driver effort, the Fiero GT feels more like a smaller, tighter Corvette than a direct competitor to any of the import 2-seaters. It feels solid, strong, fast and it's a little bigger than it looks. It looks racy and exotic, sticks to the road like glue, sounds good and gets you from one side of the mountains to the other quicker than all but a few cars on Earth." --- Road & Track on the 1987 Fiero GT
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The FWD Toros in the early 80's with V8 307s ran North/South, like a RWD car, just like the G-Bodys of that era, only were FWD.
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"...the car is beautifully balanced and almost refuses to do anything but go where you point it. In it's tenacious stick and ability to go very fast over a mountain road with a minimum of driver effort, the Fiero GT feels more like a smaller, tighter Corvette than a direct competitor to any of the import 2-seaters. It feels solid, strong, fast and it's a little bigger than it looks. It looks racy and exotic, sticks to the road like glue, sounds good and gets you from one side of the mountains to the other quicker than all but a few cars on Earth." --- Road & Track on the 1987 Fiero GT
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"...the car is beautifully balanced and almost refuses to do anything but go where you point it. In it's tenacious stick and ability to go very fast over a mountain road with a minimum of driver effort, the Fiero GT feels more like a smaller, tighter Corvette than a direct competitor to any of the import 2-seaters. It feels solid, strong, fast and it's a little bigger than it looks. It looks racy and exotic, sticks to the road like glue, sounds good and gets you from one side of the mountains to the other quicker than all but a few cars on Earth." --- Road & Track on the 1987 Fiero GT
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AusFiero Member
Posts: 11513 From: Dapto NSW Australia Registered: Feb 2001
The Toronado engine package was absolutely north-south. The FWD trans was essentially a TH-400 mounted along the driver's side of the engine. The TH-400 (redesignated the TH-425) was split aft of the torque converter, the transmission itself was reversed and mounted along side the block with the output shaft facing forward. The chain drive couples to two halves together.
The torque converter is mounted on the flywheel in its normal location at the rear of the engine and a massive chain drive couples the engine to the trans. The differential is mounted at the end of the trans (about under the #3 spark plug), with the right side half shaft running under the oil pan.
The original Hurst Olds was built by swapping a 1968 Toronado 455 engine into a 442.
Change the fluid and filter on the TH-425 transaxle, and forget about it. The chain drive will last indefinitely, and the innards of the transmission are those of a TH-400, turned 180'. They're virtually indestructible, but if you somehow manage to destroy it, they're not too expensive to rebuild. They were used in '66-'78 Toros and '67-'78 Eldorados, so they're more than plentiful!.
Toronados have the starter bolted to the transmission instead of the block. They also have the conventional starter mounting holes.
If you wanted transverse, the oldest V8 I believe is 1976 Caddy.
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"...the car is beautifully balanced and almost refuses to do anything but go where you point it. In it's tenacious stick and ability to go very fast over a mountain road with a minimum of driver effort, the Fiero GT feels more like a smaller, tighter Corvette than a direct competitor to any of the import 2-seaters. It feels solid, strong, fast and it's a little bigger than it looks. It looks racy and exotic, sticks to the road like glue, sounds good and gets you from one side of the mountains to the other quicker than all but a few cars on Earth." --- Road & Track on the 1987 Fiero GT
cardealer is doing a V8 swap using the Tornado transmission. Longitute.
The "belt drive" in the rear of it has been replaced with two gears so it will run backwards(reverse order) in a sort(frontward for us) There is a build up thread here somewhere.
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If you wanted transverse, the oldest V8 I believe is 1976 Caddy.
I was only inquiring about if there is a fwd transverse mounted V8 Olds. I am still not sure of the answer. I was fully aware of the longitudinal setup.
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kslish Member
Posts: 1478 From: Womelsdorf, PA Registered: Apr 2000
It is probably just a 4T60 transmission out of a late '80's front drive Toronado that had a transverse 3.8L V6. The fact that it came out of a Toronado is probably irrelevant, the swap was probably just done to give it a 4-speed auto tranny as oppossed to the stock Fiero 3-speed auto. Willing to bet there is still an Archie adapter plate or something on that car between the tranny and the engine.
I have heard some stuff that the Toronado, the Caddy Eldorado, and the Buick Riviera of that vintage (essentially all the same car, except the Caddy had the 4.9L V8 instead of the 3.8L V6) had slightly beefed up 4T60 trannys from the factory to make them more durable under heavy torque loads. But I don't know if that's a proven fact though.
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Lambykin Member
Posts: 619 From: Burlington, Ontario, Canada Registered: May 2003
To answer a question WAY up there, yes, there was a FWD V8 Oldsmobile, but I don't think it was transversly mounted.
Just to keep it simple, ALL Toronados were FWD. When the Toronado was first introduced in 1966, it was GM's first mass-produced FWD car. It's been years since I've seen under the hood of those early ones, but I'm pretty certain the engine was your "traditional" set-up. The transmission was the special beast...
I believe the same can be said of the later V8 Toronados of the 70s....and if I'm not mistaken, the Toronado and the Cadillac Eldorado shared a similar configuration (yes, those huge Eldorados were FWD with the 500cid engine).
I apologize if I've repeated anything...
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Posts: 1630 From: Ontario Canada Registered: Aug 2003
